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Last time I checked, you can shift faster with a manual than an automatic can.[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: dragoon
the reason automatics have the potential to perform better is that they can shift much faster than any human can. still, driving enthusiasts prefer the manual transmission because of the experience it provides, not so much performance.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: dragoon
the reason automatics have the potential to perform better is that they can shift much faster than any human can. still, driving enthusiasts prefer the manual transmission because of the experience it provides, not so much performance.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 wait a minute. I see people comparing BMW's SMG to tiptronic. it's NOT even close to the same thing. 
SMG is not an automatic. sorry, it's a sequential semi auto with an electronically operated clutch. Same idea as what ferrari has put in there cars (with the F1 Paddles). These trannies are faster. but Automatics are slower.
who said mercedes makes it. because last i checked only Ferrari, BMW, & Aston and maybe one other brand i can't think of right now. offer true sequential gearboxes. The only reason mercedes puts auto's in their high performance cars is that they don't have any manuals that can handle that much power. so, they put in an automatic, which can obviously handle power and torque.
SMG is not an automatic. sorry, it's a sequential semi auto with an electronically operated clutch. Same idea as what ferrari has put in there cars (with the F1 Paddles). These trannies are faster. but Automatics are slower.
who said mercedes makes it. because last i checked only Ferrari, BMW, & Aston and maybe one other brand i can't think of right now. offer true sequential gearboxes. The only reason mercedes puts auto's in their high performance cars is that they don't have any manuals that can handle that much power. so, they put in an automatic, which can obviously handle power and torque.
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wait a minute. I see people comparing BMW's SMG to tiptronic. it's NOT even close to the same thing.
who said mercedes makes it. because last i checked only Ferrari, BMW, & Aston and maybe one other brand i can't think of right now. offer true sequential gearboxes. The only reason mercedes puts auto's in their high performance cars is that they don't have any manuals that can handle that much power. so, they put in an automatic, which can obviously handle power and torque.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: NitehawkVTEC
wait a minute. I see people comparing BMW's SMG to tiptronic. it's NOT even close to the same thing.
who said mercedes makes it. because last i checked only Ferrari, BMW, & Aston and maybe one other brand i can't think of right now. offer true sequential gearboxes. The only reason mercedes puts auto's in their high performance cars is that they don't have any manuals that can handle that much power. so, they put in an automatic, which can obviously handle power and torque.[hr]
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[hr]Unlike "smart automatics," which also allow the driver to choose gears manually (a la Porsche Tiptronic), the SMG has done away with the torque-converter/plan-etary-gear setup, allowing the drive to be more direct and shift times more immediate. It's one of a few such systems on the market today, the others being manufactured by Magneti-Marelli (used by Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Maserati) and Toyota, whose SMT is in the MR2 Spyder.[hr]
[hr]Unlike "smart automatics," which also allow the driver to choose gears manually (a la Porsche Tiptronic), the SMG has done away with the torque-converter/plan-etary-gear setup, allowing the drive to be more direct and shift times more immediate. It's one of a few such systems on the market today, the others being manufactured by Magneti-Marelli (used by Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Ferrari and Maserati) and Toyota, whose SMT is in the MR2 Spyder.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 Well, the S2k was not meant to be a fast straight line car, the car is meant for a track, not a dragstrip, but a road course. It is not fast for straight line speed, but then again that all depends on what fast is to you. The car is fun, quality is excellent, Unless your used to driving ultra exotics, if you get a chance to spend a day or 2 in the S2k, then I'm sure you would agree. A little more power from the factory? Obviously a little more power would be nice with all cars.... We are still talking about the most efficient 4 cyl naturally aspirated out there? But its slow? That doesn't make sense.
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another automatic vs. manual debate. if it doesn't have a third pedal, then it's an automatic. if you can't stall the car when in gear, then it's an automatic. if the car doesn't roll back when on an incline, then it's an automatic. at least audi has the guts to call their new clutchless manual an automatic. if you look on ebay, bmw's sequential systems are listed as automatic.
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Rep Power: 0 I find it delightfully ironic that you people try and exploit some of the more unappealing points of the car. These points all seem to be universal for all Honda 4 cyl. in general. Also what ever joker that tried to express some of his internet fueled wisdom about supercharging the S2K getting more low end is a fool. That just seems to be about the size of it from all the insite that has been put into this thread by you biased little people on this site. What do you folks consider to be "fast" the all new zippiddy doo RSX? Yeah right. The minivan look alike cutting edge Si, surely not. I would assume that you are all judging the term "fast" by the cars that reside in your own driveways. I guess that would be the high end exotics like the HX hatch and the new i-Vtec batch. For you that argues the S2K isnt fast for a worldwide roadster then maybe you should think alittle more before you dribble at the mouth...........I mean speak. 
The Lotus Elise is a world wide renowned sports car, but when the car arrives here it will not be 32K. As well I hope you dont enjoy luxuries such as power steering, A/C, radio, or powerwindows. Note to you: I can have a custom built tube frame car built to rival the Elise for half the cost, hell thats basically what is it anyways a racecar that looks slick. TVRs are great I would love to own one, but due to different emissions standards as well as crash testing dont even worry to make that comparo. Many of the other cars you named are ridden by the same debate, although some are without a doubt better if not in a few catagories then all, I still wouldnt worry about these cars ever gracing your garage. Just had to take the time out to chime in on your thread.
The Lotus Elise is a world wide renowned sports car, but when the car arrives here it will not be 32K. As well I hope you dont enjoy luxuries such as power steering, A/C, radio, or powerwindows. Note to you: I can have a custom built tube frame car built to rival the Elise for half the cost, hell thats basically what is it anyways a racecar that looks slick. TVRs are great I would love to own one, but due to different emissions standards as well as crash testing dont even worry to make that comparo. Many of the other cars you named are ridden by the same debate, although some are without a doubt better if not in a few catagories then all, I still wouldnt worry about these cars ever gracing your garage. Just had to take the time out to chime in on your thread. Registered!!
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[hr]Originally posted by: Unleaded
another automatic vs. manual debate. if it doesn't have a third pedal, then it's an automatic. if you can't stall the car when in gear, then it's an automatic. if the car doesn't roll back when on an incline, then it's an automatic. at least audi has the guts to call their new clutchless manual an automatic. if you look on ebay, bmw's sequential systems are listed as automatic.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Unleaded
another automatic vs. manual debate. if it doesn't have a third pedal, then it's an automatic. if you can't stall the car when in gear, then it's an automatic. if the car doesn't roll back when on an incline, then it's an automatic. at least audi has the guts to call their new clutchless manual an automatic. if you look on ebay, bmw's sequential systems are listed as automatic.[hr]
Also, in the case of sequential gearbox's. how's the term semi-auto. it seems to be the new technology that will eventually phase out sports oriented manual's. expect to see SMG in the Z4. that's a almost normal car. and also, the MR-S already has it. But call it a automatic if you want. It really doesn't fit into either catagory.
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