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Dude, do you drive a 7thgen?
EX/LX/DX?
Doesnt really matter...are you near ATL?
Race me...then we will see who's [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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People say the focus sucks because it does, not because it's a domestic. The neon sucks because it's an unreliable pos, not because it's a domestic.

You should be ashamed seeing what you drive. It's a piece of junk plain and simple. No need to argue over FACTS!!

 
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Piece of junk?
How so?
I don't think so.
My 99 Civic had a much higher lever of quality (interior)
But mechanically, my neon is much stronger...
Let's see...faster, handles better, lighter, cheaper...that's all I wanted..
Cheap+Light+150HP 133LB/FT TQ = FUN (as far as I'm concerned)

Who says the focus sucks? Why does it suck? Personally, I don't think it sucks. I just built a 7th gen show car, it doesnt suck (although it's slow and handles like a wet noodle)


Whatever dude, it's idiots like you that don't quantify exactly WHY a car sucks, blanket statements like : "your car SUCKS" without providing a specific reason(s) is quite moronic as far as I'm concerned....

Your just a reincarnated redneck except you replace "chevy oWNz ALL" with "Honda oWNz all"

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Have a nice day...

 
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[hr]Originally posted by: Mbow
Facts??

Did you state any facts?
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sure, he said neons are gay. DUH! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

edit: BTW, WTF is a "SOLID Bobble Strut"?

 
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I'm talking about reliability. I thought it was common knowledge that they were very problematic. Well, I guess you didn't know seeing that you drive one. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

No, I don't think honda owns all. They own ALL MOST EVERYONE when it comes to reliability which is what I am talking about.

Redneck, whom is the one driving a neon? [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

I don't argue over FACTUAL information and DATA that is public knowledge - period.

Best Regards,

Billy Bob

 
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I've heard ATL while flipping past a rap station, so I'm pretty sure that's Atlanta. I'll be in covington picking up my car in a couple months.. so I'd be more than happy to race. Car would've been done quicker but I am closing on a house and money gets tight. Anyway, the point is.. I'll let you know when I'm in or around *ATL*. I'm sorry, but I am not a ricer with a huge wing, body kit, 19" wheels.. and I/H/E who thinks he's fast. I put my money where it counts [IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

 
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All you provided me was scepecism....
Not one drop of real proof that Neons suck

My 99 civic EX threw a rod at 27,000 miles, whereas my shadow, with tons of boost, is still running at 150,000+ miles...

I bought my Neon with 34,000 miles, it now has almost 70,000....problems? Hmmm..oil change, new plugs, and an oxygen sensor...nothing else..that doesnt seem problematic to me...

My fiancee has an 01 Neon...we bought it with 0 miles, it now has 22,000...problems? Oilchanges. Nothing else....

You are really confusing me. Is it a bad reputation that neons have, or are the ALL full of problems?

:-D

Joe - Bobble Strut (torque strut) from Tranny to subframe. The stock one is basically a mini shock absorber. This is, a solid rod, with a threaded end with an eyelit. You can adjust the amount of preload. It's quite the traction enhancer.
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Good, then what are your mods BoOST?
Yes, ATL is Atlanta, moved here about 6 months ago...just typed ATL because I'm trying to work...

 
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I think most people who think of neons being unreliable are thinking of the now 8 year old new for 1994 neons that their sister had for college that she never took care of and it ended up having all sorts of problems.

Neons built after 1998 (such as mine) have had pretty good reliability records. Mine has only *needed* a heagasket and a throttle position sensor in 930000 miles and 5 years. That's not too bad really.

 
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Hey Mike, have you done your timing belt yet?
My 98 was actually a lefotver I think. The title says 98, but bulid date is 97. It also had 97 style decals (not the raised emblems) and slash cut muffler...

 
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"we bought it with 0 miles"

ZERO? Really? Even when i bought my Si the damn thing had 7 miles on the odo.

BTW you forgot to mention neons run 13s with a crush bent exhaust and home meade CAi.

 
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haha..okay...virtually 0 miles..it had like 29miles...

I thought that was PGT's that ran 13's with crush bent exhaust...

 
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Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaa...

but the neon is the NEW PGT [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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My mods so far:

Hp header/cat
apexi exhaust
Port/Polish
over sized valves
rc injectors
direct coil pack ignition
everything lightened and balanced
individual throttle bodies
pistons
rods
knife edged crank (9700 rpm redline)
thinking of going from 1.7 to 2.0..
... still need some cash to finish paying for the project. It will run off of a haltech, custom cam (not some cheap regrind)needs to be tuned on a dyno. There are pictures in my thread. Oh yeah, eibach sportlines, ingalls chamber kit, si wheels,
Coming soon- Koni's, bf goodrich g-force tires, short shift adapter, strut bars..

 
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Oh yeah, CM stageIII clutch and aluminum flywheel in the mail.

 
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Interesting. If I was in the market for a compact car like the WRX or Neon SRT-4, it would be tough. I like the styling of the SRT-4 a lot more than the WRX, but AWD is pretty nifty. Then again, if you make enough power, putting some MT E/T Drags or Streets on will cut a really good short time anyways.

In terms of reliability, I find that Japanese versus American argument to be largely placed in myth. My beater car is an Oldsmobile Toronado with over 150,000 miles on it, and it doesn't burn a drop of oil nor do I have any issues. Just an example.

ScreaminDOHC: You have a turbo Shadow? That's awesome. They're sleepers! I'm not really a fan of four cylinder turbos, but for a daily driver (keep miles down on the RR and Z28) I picked up a 1989 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z. I got some FWD Motion performance parts (computer, Stage II turbo, etc) and should be running about 16 PSI when it's all tuned and done. Should be reliable for everyday and it's small, so it might prove interesting to drive hard.

 
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Neon = sh*tbox! Have I made my point clear?

 
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Hmmmmmmm... Let's think about this. Let's consult Consumer Reports to see which car had major reliability issues? Could it be the Neon? I think that is enough supporting evidence to override any advocacy you have for the Neon. Now humble yourself!!!

 
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Consumer reports takes a 5 yr average for their ratings. The 1st gen car accounts for 4 yrs of the ratings and we know that it had some quality issues. Only 1 yr of the 1st gen reporting brought the car up a couple of notches, just wait until there are 3 yrs reporting. JD power initail quality survey reported the Neon just a hair under even the Civic and ahead of Sentra, Protege's, etc. Latest Car and Driver slammed the Civic for having shoddy paint and quality. Look at the rating for the Pt cruiser which also gets commended for its quality and reliability. Besides, who are you guys to judge, your not driving Bentley's for christ sakes, Civics!!
The 2.4 Turbo motor has been in production for 3 yrs in Euro and Mexican Stratus vehicles so there is plenty of development there to further help reliability. They use an iron block and forged oil cooled pistons and an 8.1 compression, that equals bombproof and reliability even when the boost is upped. Do you know why the WRX isn't the fave motor to mod overseas.....aluminum block has some limits for what in can hold for the boost.
The SRT already brakes quicker, has better slalom and skidpad numbers, so why wouldn't it outhandle the WRX?

Maybe you don't like the looks, whatever, that is subjective. The facts state that this car will be super fast and reliable. Domestic or not.

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My Eclipse was a DOHC and I miss that thing beyond belief. Much better tourque curve and it drove incredibly smoothe. Even considering a 95-98 Eclipse GSX for a project car, and leaving my vic stock. Not sure yet, but yeah the only reason why i brought up my eclipse was because it was a 2.0 420A engine, yeah, the same engine they put in the Neons. Besides the head gasket problem, they motors are built fairly well. They a have a much more modern design than the turbo eclipse did with their 4G63 (1995 vs 1988)

 
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Consumer reports said that the dodge shadow was dangerous because the car lost control when the wheel was jerked violently at highway speeds.

Consumer reports said that when you press the gas pedal on the Z28, it would accelerate wildly. Most troubling.

Consumer reports said that the fiero GT was the "fastest car they had ever tested"

MY neon was never in consumer reports. I'm still waiting for all the reliability issues the ricer folk have predicted for me.

 
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WRX!!!

that neon looks nasty.

 
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Oh look, as per usual on here, I post some facts in info and the mouthy guys that were spouting are no where to be seen......typical...

 
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Please, I am around. I don't argue over things that are generally held as "public knowledge." You want to argue over the fact that humans have to breathe? Get what I am saying. I don't waste my time, knowlege, or brain trying to convince someone of something that is fact and already known to any person with any knowledge of reliability ratings. I have said the same thing to others that think ford and chevy are just as good as foreign makes. That brings me to my next point. I don't argue with people who are obviously ignorant or blinded by their own emotions and feelings.

Lastly, I don't give a dirty diaper what you think. I don't care what you say about honda. Honda and toyota are #1 when it comes to reliability and longevity. There is no denying or debating it. Dodge is WAY down the list bud. Yea, lets debate facts again.

As I said previously, I don't debate fact. Don't expect me to entertain any more ignorance.

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Mbow, your a moron.
"Public Knowledge" is not considered a "fact"...
Quit using the word "fact" as you have not yet provided one "factual piece of information"...

Honda and Toyota have a great reputation for reliability, I never argued with that. Even though my "honda" thew a rod in it's infancy (27k miles) I won't go off spouting that every single Honda sucks.

I have yet to EVER have a bad experience with a chrysler. My family has owned chryslers, and so have I nearly all my life.....
They aren't the best quality automobiles, but they are strong vehicles, and as far as I'm concerned, quite reliable.

Go read Car and Driver, read the article on the SRT. They say that it's structure is stronger than a WRX, and interior quality is also at a higher level than the WRX.

WHy don't you tell me some more "facts" that will contradict my 10+ years of chrysler automobile ownership experience.

 
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"Consumer reports said that when you press the gas pedal on the Z28, it would accelerate wildly. Most troubling."

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

its funny because its true. torque scares people [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Like I said, typical. Now the FACTS I brought are forgotten and it is back to "Dodge is junk" argument. I have listed off lots of info to the contrary, and have more if you like. But then, you prefer blinders.... instead of reality.
Instead of spewing BS how about some thought, real knowledge and a little respect. I am not asking you to love it, just give respect when it is due, as in this case.

 
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wow.


(I would try to add something insightful to this arguement, but seeing as how most other people haven't, I'm gonna follow the group)

 
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Mbow...gone
CivicRyder...gone
Like I said the facts shut some people up when they aren't big enough to admit when they are wrong.