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is it just me or are the kits coming out really overpriced??? i guess they are trying to get people to fork over money to have the first ones?

i wonder when the prices will start dropping

 
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well since its all custom right now and none are being mass produced the prices will be as they are. and no they probubly won't go down because no companies are being successful with turbos for our cars. but who knows. the 6thgens had that same problem when they first came out and then greddy gave the 6thgens some nuts with thier turbos so who knows

 
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because all the turboes that everyone has on their 7thgen is al custom. I mean acutally how many people are on this site with turbo? Maybe 3-4. They go to a shop that specializes in turbo performance. But since the 7thgen vics are ulev and there is not that many parts or even no parts to build the internals of the vlavetrain I guess that raises the price. There is a shop that I know of that makes custom turbos for integras for only 3k installed. Thats with boost controller, intercooler and all the other goodies. Some guy on this site payed nearly 7k for just a turbo upgrade. @ 8psi he has 197 hp and @ 4psi he has 154 hp... Some got the money to pay for it and some think its a waste of money. But if u got it, Spend it.

 
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jeeeezus. 7k for a turbo setup? dayum. for 7k id have what id wanted for years, a really souped up 5.0

 
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yeap the price i got aint that bad 3 gz installed all parts polished to a shine im in sothern cali im gonna get it in a few months just need to save a lil more money but soon cant wait

 
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7gs is too much dough...i wouldn't do it no matter how bad i wanted it

 
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i think MOOCOW got his for 3-4k too. about 3-4 cars also got their turbos done at that shop. ya i read about that other guy who got his for 7k tho.

 
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has anybody actually contacted greddy yet to see if they are goign to do one... i've only seen posts about HKS (which still has it on their site that they are working on it)

 
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interesting how on Greddys website they have a 7thgen civic on the new parts title where all the turbos are. that is a civic right? am i seeing things? if so mabybe they're being quiet and have something going on!

 
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I agree. For me to fabricate a custom turbo I don't think it would cost nearly as much as some of the companies are charging. I count about $1,750 - $2,000 as a minimum for a custom turbo. That includes the turbo, BOV, wastegate, intercooler, piping, manifold, Missing Link valve, new spark plugs, intake filter, couplings, misc. hardware, tubing for oil, oil cooler and thermostat, and other misc. things. I don't include any fuel system upgrades though. I'm not sure how to handle that yet. Maybe another $500 for those though. That's still only $2,500 though. Would anyone be interested in a turbo kit for that much money that's capable of 7-8psi? I'm thinking of making and selling them once I have my own prototype made and installed.

 
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8psi @ $2500 sounds like a damn good deal to me. But would that include any of the electronic goodies? Timers etc...
I can tell u point blank, if i had $2500 at the moment, there would be no hesitation in me buying your kit.

 
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Grey, you're seriously undercutting some of the prices, it adds up damn quick.

$600 for the turbo itself
$500 for the manifold, still has to be custom
$300 for the wastegate
$225 for the blow off valve
$600 for the intercooler
$150 for good silicon couplings on charge piping
$300 for the piping, with a good job on the welding and sizing
$250 for the downpipe and dumptube with flex piping to protect exhaust
$175 for any additional/replacement injectors (per injector)
$600 for the fuel computer (replacement EMS's are at least double this)
$75 for enough lines to run the additional injector(s) if there are any
$75 misc parts (connectors, clips) to make any additional/replacement injectors work
$300 to dyno tune entire setup
$200 for the oil fittings, welding to the pan, and stainless steel lines
$60 for the boost gauge
$200 for battery relocation and parts needed
$44 for -2 degrees colder spark plugs

That's $4654, and not including ANY electronics such as turbo timer, boost controller, or a new clutch which you would need. This is also not including any installation labor except the dyno tuning, and these prices are not what most shops would charge- it's the cheapest you'd find using group buys and such on the internet. Expect a shop to add about 10% to everything, at least. You could shave the price, but you'd be going ghetto, and with the capability a turbo has to destroy an engine if installed or used improperly, this isn't something you want to skimp on.

The fuel system on these cars is complicated and very expensive to make work properly with a turbocharged application, and gets much worse if you plan on running more than 8psi, the current flow limit on the stock pump and line size.

If I could have done this for $2500, I would have had this turbo a year ago, but it's just not possible. Most aftermarket kits for other generation Civics and Integras are around $3000-$4500, depending on if they come with an intercooler or not, and the quality of the kit, and then most shops charge right around $1000 for installation.

 
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Starion intercooler $150 available at many places online.. Fuel system stays stock..only needs to be upgraded to support more than 7-8PSI.. No additonal injectors or lines. A high volume fuel rail would be needed...piping can be done alot cheaper.. Silicone couplings aren't needed as boost is pretty low. Rubber couplings would easily suffice. Dyno tuning is non exixstant..stock ECU is not adjustable. Silicone ol line would run about $20 whoopie..

Your thinking of a high boost setup...that would cost alot because a new fuel system and a standalone fuel system would be needed..

Cheers
Mohawk

 
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Totally stock fuel system running 8psi? You'll lean out and destroy the motor. 4psi I can see being decently safe, but not 8. And a fuel rail won't provide any more fuel if you're using the stock injectors anyways, the ECM can't see boost and add more fuel, all it will do is throw a check engine light if you don't have a missing link check valve. You're adding more air with the turbo, when adding more air, you should always add more fuel to keep the proper ratio.

 
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RiceBurnrEX: Let me work my magic for a while and I'll come up with a full list of parts and prices and links to them online that total under $2,500 and make a complete and functioning turbocharger. With all of the parts I mentioned earlier and more. It will take me a while, but I should have it by tomorrow.

 
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I'm getting more excited to move to Worcester! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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if these guys can turbo a bar stool, then can make a kit for you.

http://www.tgfab.com/

link

 
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GREY- if you get a kit going for $2500-$3000 I will definately buy it. I want a turbo badly and am starting to save. I was expecting to have to spend alot but didn't want to. I was eventually going to try to get the parts cheaper too. I am glad you are taking the initiative. You will make a lot of us happy/

 
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Yeah, I haven't had the time to come up with a list of parts and prices yet. I will a little later this week though. There's a ton of things for me to worry about besides all of this car stuff, but I'll definately turbo my D17A2. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] Then I'll write a detailed DIY. Then I'll list everything I did along with the links to the stores that I bought all of the parts from. That way even if I don't end up selling the kit, people can just DIY their own. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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if you got hook ups to parts for the turbo then you might be able to buy a turbo kit for less than 2500... rice burner seems like he bought everything at full price... my friend got a t3/t4 turbo w/ built in wastegate for a little less than 400 bucks..

 
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There is this kid at Georgia Tech who took a turbo out of an old Audi and did all the custom piping, etc etc for his 6th gen civic and the project cost him less than $1200 ! He's supposedly running about 7 psi. I'm trying to meet this guy in person to see how he kept his budget so low. BTW, if you could build a custom turbo system for our civics with a used turbine, what car would you take it from? Dont flame if you hate the idea.

 
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I would take the Turbo Beetles turbo. They've got the new GT25 series. Lighter, fewer parts, better spool up. Just newer and better overall than the old T25's.

 
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how fast are the 1.8L turbo bugs ??? i would assume if we took the turbo outta there, we would only be a shy slower then the stock turbo bug...

 
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Well, they produce 150hp and 165 ft/lbs at only 8.7psi. Their CR is 9.5:1. That sucks IMO. Our engines will produce more at that pressure.
The S produces 180hp at 11.6psi.

Edit: The GT25 is good for about 260hp for engines our size.

 
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how much could we boost with that turbo?? the t3/t4 's are capable of like 20 - 25 i think....