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I'm sure this has been discussed a few times, but anyhow...I have a few questions. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
- Do you think any will be left by spring, or maybe even summer?
- 170HP Turbocharged, but $20,500 price tag?
- What do you guys think of them?
- Do you think any will be left by spring, or maybe even summer?
- 170HP Turbocharged, but $20,500 price tag?
- What do you guys think of them?
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i read an article about the new turbo protege's in scc. i think it looks pretty good.
but since its a limited edition. i highly doubt it would be sold for 20k. there will be a pretty big markup on it.
scc stats:
hp @ wheels 151 @ 5800rpm
torque@ wheels 150 @ 3800rpm
but since its a limited edition. i highly doubt it would be sold for 20k. there will be a pretty big markup on it.
scc stats:
hp @ wheels 151 @ 5800rpm
torque@ wheels 150 @ 3800rpm
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[hr]Originally posted by: AB
170 hp turbocharged?? you can turbocharge one of the 2k1 civics and be just as fast[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: AB
170 hp turbocharged?? you can turbocharge one of the 2k1 civics and be just as fast[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 A WRX costs a bit more I think...
But let's not forget the OTHER things you get, besides the 170HP turbocharged engine.
1) Set of 17x7 RacingHart Rims, that are unique only to the MSP
2) Super sticky Bridgestone Potenze RE040s
3) Crazy suspension set-up; springs, shocks, sway bars, etc etc.. everything
4) Custom paintjob (albeit ugly, but hey)
5) Aero kit, including front lip spoiler, side skirt and rear spoiler
6) Kenwood MP3/CD/AM/FM Deck
7) Kenwood Power Amplifier
8) 10" Kenwood Subwoofer
9) Upgraded Kenwood Speakers
10) Customer Steering Wheels
11) Sparco Shift ****
12) Sparco Racing Pedals
13) Limited Slip Differential
14) RacingBeat Exhaust System
15) Every upgrade & component is covered under factory bumper-to-bumper warrenty
And this car pushes over 70mph in the 600ft slalom tests..
All that adds up to something more special than a off the lot Impreza WRX.. or Acura RSX Type-S, etc. Sure, the Mazdaspeed Protege lacks acceleration of those two cars, but it can run circles around them in handling department. And sound system department.
Plus you get the exclusivity... everyone has their opinion on how a $20G should be spent, but I'm willing to bet every Mazdaspeed Protege take gets built will be sold quickly.
But let's not forget the OTHER things you get, besides the 170HP turbocharged engine.
1) Set of 17x7 RacingHart Rims, that are unique only to the MSP
2) Super sticky Bridgestone Potenze RE040s
3) Crazy suspension set-up; springs, shocks, sway bars, etc etc.. everything
4) Custom paintjob (albeit ugly, but hey)
5) Aero kit, including front lip spoiler, side skirt and rear spoiler
6) Kenwood MP3/CD/AM/FM Deck
7) Kenwood Power Amplifier
8) 10" Kenwood Subwoofer
9) Upgraded Kenwood Speakers
10) Customer Steering Wheels
11) Sparco Shift ****
12) Sparco Racing Pedals
13) Limited Slip Differential
14) RacingBeat Exhaust System
15) Every upgrade & component is covered under factory bumper-to-bumper warrenty
And this car pushes over 70mph in the 600ft slalom tests..
All that adds up to something more special than a off the lot Impreza WRX.. or Acura RSX Type-S, etc. Sure, the Mazdaspeed Protege lacks acceleration of those two cars, but it can run circles around them in handling department. And sound system department.
Plus you get the exclusivity... everyone has their opinion on how a $20G should be spent, but I'm willing to bet every Mazdaspeed Protege take gets built will be sold quickly.
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Rep Power: 0 plus you can upgrade the MS protege's turbo to run more boost( = faster than turboed 7thgen
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[hr]Originally posted by: O1Coupe
A WRX costs a bit more I think...
But let's not forget the OTHER things you get, besides the 170HP turbocharged engine.
1) Set of 17x7 RacingHart Rims, that are unique only to the MSP
2) Super sticky Bridgestone Potenze RE040s
3) Crazy suspension set-up; springs, shocks, sway bars, etc etc.. everything
4) Custom paintjob (albeit ugly, but hey)
5) Aero kit, including front lip spoiler, side skirt and rear spoiler
6) Kenwood MP3/CD/AM/FM Deck
7) Kenwood Power Amplifier
8) 10" Kenwood Subwoofer
9) Upgraded Kenwood Speakers
10) Customer Steering Wheels
11) Sparco Shift ****
12) Sparco Racing Pedals
13) Limited Slip Differential
14) RacingBeat Exhaust System
15) Every upgrade & component is covered under factory bumper-to-bumper warrenty
And this car pushes over 70mph in the 600ft slalom tests..
All that adds up to something more special than a off the lot Impreza WRX.. or Acura RSX Type-S, etc. Sure, the Mazdaspeed Protege lacks acceleration of those two cars, but it can run circles around them in handling department. And sound system department.
Plus you get the exclusivity... everyone has their opinion on how a $20G should be spent, but I'm willing to bet every Mazdaspeed Protege take gets built will be sold quickly.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: O1Coupe
A WRX costs a bit more I think...
But let's not forget the OTHER things you get, besides the 170HP turbocharged engine.
1) Set of 17x7 RacingHart Rims, that are unique only to the MSP
2) Super sticky Bridgestone Potenze RE040s
3) Crazy suspension set-up; springs, shocks, sway bars, etc etc.. everything
4) Custom paintjob (albeit ugly, but hey)
5) Aero kit, including front lip spoiler, side skirt and rear spoiler
6) Kenwood MP3/CD/AM/FM Deck
7) Kenwood Power Amplifier
8) 10" Kenwood Subwoofer
9) Upgraded Kenwood Speakers
10) Customer Steering Wheels
11) Sparco Shift ****
12) Sparco Racing Pedals
13) Limited Slip Differential
14) RacingBeat Exhaust System
15) Every upgrade & component is covered under factory bumper-to-bumper warrenty
And this car pushes over 70mph in the 600ft slalom tests..
All that adds up to something more special than a off the lot Impreza WRX.. or Acura RSX Type-S, etc. Sure, the Mazdaspeed Protege lacks acceleration of those two cars, but it can run circles around them in handling department. And sound system department.
Plus you get the exclusivity... everyone has their opinion on how a $20G should be spent, but I'm willing to bet every Mazdaspeed Protege take gets built will be sold quickly.[hr]
You took the words right out of my mouth . Well said.
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I am considering getting an Orange Mazdaspeed, but it would cost me about $5000 more than the Civic I intended to get, so I'd have to wait till around tax return time (or early early summer) to get one.
Two things worry me.
- Will there be any left?
- I can afford $20,500, but I have a feeling a dealership is going to have a price tag of $25,000+ on the window.
Two things worry me.
- Will there be any left?
- I can afford $20,500, but I have a feeling a dealership is going to have a price tag of $25,000+ on the window.
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[hr][- I can afford $20,500, but I have a feeling a dealership is going to have a price tag of $25,000+ on the window.[hr]
[hr][- I can afford $20,500, but I have a feeling a dealership is going to have a price tag of $25,000+ on the window.[hr]
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They are only making 2000 of them, and I am sure they will be snatched up quickly. You might see if you can get on a waiting list. Also be prepared to possibly pay dealer markup unless otherwise noted in your possible presale agreement.
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Ya'll are forgeting one thing. It's a mazda (mazda=crapola). I drove a mazda and the transmission went out twice before 100K miles. Plus a mazda is a ford(ford=crapola). I give that car about a year before something would happen to it. I will have to say it looks good, but I am very anti mazda (except the RX-7 and soon to come RX-8) and ford.
Well all I guess I have to say now is, I know people will flame me, but I don't care, so flame on.
Well all I guess I have to say now is, I know people will flame me, but I don't care, so flame on.
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Rep Power: 0 - master, just b/c mazda and ford work together doesn't make one company crappy b/c of the reputation of the other. toyota works with gm. does make them any less of a company? mazda has made some great reliable cars just as good as honda or toyota.
- funny how you mention the rx7 b/c while it is a great sports car, it also one of the toughest cars to maintain b/c of the rotary engine. if u based ur opinion on one bad experience with one bad car, then judging a company based on that information is ludicrous. some people on this site have taking their civics back to dealership for many various problems but that still doesn't make honda an unreliable car company.
- funny how you mention the rx7 b/c while it is a great sports car, it also one of the toughest cars to maintain b/c of the rotary engine. if u based ur opinion on one bad experience with one bad car, then judging a company based on that information is ludicrous. some people on this site have taking their civics back to dealership for many various problems but that still doesn't make honda an unreliable car company.
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[hr]Originally posted by: n00dleboy
It won't be $25k+ US for the MS protege, it's estimated at $26-27K Canadian dollars, so if you convert it to USD, it's a lot less.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: n00dleboy
It won't be $25k+ US for the MS protege, it's estimated at $26-27K Canadian dollars, so if you convert it to USD, it's a lot less.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 I'm not sure if you guy know this but there's no such thing as dealer markup in Canada. It's illegal for them to sell a brand new (zero hand) car for more than MSRP. But if the car is rare enough and the dealer wants to take the risk they can buy and register the car then sell it as a second hand "new" car at whatever price they want.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Firefly
I'm not sure if you guy know this but there's no such thing as dealer markup in Canada. It's illegal for them to sell a brand new (zero hand) car for more than MSRP. But if the car is rare enough and the dealer wants to take the risk they can buy and register the car then sell it as a second hand "new" car at whatever price they want.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Firefly
I'm not sure if you guy know this but there's no such thing as dealer markup in Canada. It's illegal for them to sell a brand new (zero hand) car for more than MSRP. But if the car is rare enough and the dealer wants to take the risk they can buy and register the car then sell it as a second hand "new" car at whatever price they want.[hr]
And where heck did you get this info?? Dealerships markup ALL the time... they'll even drive the freakin car, put some milage on it, and charge more.. customer pays less tax, so it doesn't matter to them anyway. Dealership makes more money.
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Rep Power: 0 Canadian market gets lower price than US. Same car here will cost up to 20-30% less. That's why US insurance companies are told by the US government to not insure CDN cars brought over the border. If it's $28k CDN, then it's probably around $20-21k US.
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Rep Power: 0 First off anyone that says Mazda = Ford thus Mazda sucks is an absolute idiot and is probably an arrogant little 16 year old kid who doesn't even own their car which their mommy daddy bought for them. Just because Mazda and Ford are a partnership, it is independant of where the car is made, what parts they're made from and the quality of the car. I drive a mazda, had it over 6 months now, no problems. I had a 2k1 civic too, it had 2 recalls, YOU should know about them. (if you don't then ohoh ). BUT , does that make honda a bad company? no. GM works with Toyota, but Toyota actually has a higher reliablilty rating than honda. Go figure!
And yes, if you're considering a new car between 20-25k USD, do consider the MPS Protege, it's not the speed that u're paying for , but the fact that it can do the 600 ft slalom at 70mph, which very few cars can do. Two words: Incredible Handling. Speed can be tuned later.
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). BUT , does that make honda a bad company? no. GM works with Toyota, but Toyota actually has a higher reliablilty rating than honda. Go figure!And yes, if you're considering a new car between 20-25k USD, do consider the MPS Protege, it's not the speed that u're paying for , but the fact that it can do the 600 ft slalom at 70mph, which very few cars can do. Two words: Incredible Handling. Speed can be tuned later.
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[hr]And where heck did you get this info?? [hr]
[hr]And where heck did you get this info?? [hr]
In order to sell above MSRP they must register the car and transfer the ownership to the dealer's name. Most people don't realize this because when they buy a new car they'll expect he/she is the first register owner. But if you run the ownership history at the license office you'll see the dealer's name before yours.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Desi
- master, just b/c mazda and ford work together doesn't make one company crappy b/c of the reputation of the other. toyota works with gm. does make them any less of a company? mazda has made some great reliable cars just as good as honda or toyota.
- funny how you mention the rx7 b/c while it is a great sports car, it also one of the toughest cars to maintain b/c of the rotary engine. if u based ur opinion on one bad experience with one bad car, then judging a company based on that information is ludicrous. some people on this site have taking their civics back to dealership for many various problems but that still doesn't make honda an unreliable car company.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Desi
- master, just b/c mazda and ford work together doesn't make one company crappy b/c of the reputation of the other. toyota works with gm. does make them any less of a company? mazda has made some great reliable cars just as good as honda or toyota.
- funny how you mention the rx7 b/c while it is a great sports car, it also one of the toughest cars to maintain b/c of the rotary engine. if u based ur opinion on one bad experience with one bad car, then judging a company based on that information is ludicrous. some people on this site have taking their civics back to dealership for many various problems but that still doesn't make honda an unreliable car company.[hr]
Then with the RX-7. The parts used for this car are the only parts not made by ford. I have done tons of research. I am not one of those people that just say crap because they think that is what it is. I READ. And some people here should do research before they make any assumptions that someone is wrong.
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[hr]Originally posted by: n00dleboy
First off anyone that says Mazda = Ford thus Mazda sucks is an absolute idiot and is probably an arrogant little 16 year old kid who doesn't even own their car which their mommy daddy bought for them. Just because Mazda and Ford are a partnership, it is independant of where the car is made, what parts they're made from and the quality of the car. I drive a mazda, had it over 6 months now, no problems. I had a 2k1 civic too, it had 2 recalls, YOU should know about them. (if you don't then ohoh ). BUT , does that make honda a bad company? no. GM works with Toyota, but Toyota actually has a higher reliablilty rating than honda. Go figure!
And yes, if you're considering a new car between 20-25k USD, do consider the MPS Protege, it's not the speed that u're paying for , but the fact that it can do the 600 ft slalom at 70mph, which very few cars can do. Two words: Incredible Handling. Speed can be tuned later.
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[hr]Originally posted by: n00dleboy
First off anyone that says Mazda = Ford thus Mazda sucks is an absolute idiot and is probably an arrogant little 16 year old kid who doesn't even own their car which their mommy daddy bought for them. Just because Mazda and Ford are a partnership, it is independant of where the car is made, what parts they're made from and the quality of the car. I drive a mazda, had it over 6 months now, no problems. I had a 2k1 civic too, it had 2 recalls, YOU should know about them. (if you don't then ohoh
). BUT , does that make honda a bad company? no. GM works with Toyota, but Toyota actually has a higher reliablilty rating than honda. Go figure!And yes, if you're considering a new car between 20-25k USD, do consider the MPS Protege, it's not the speed that u're paying for , but the fact that it can do the 600 ft slalom at 70mph, which very few cars can do. Two words: Incredible Handling. Speed can be tuned later.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Master
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first off not only are they assoiciated or in your words work together, ford own thems. If u take any part from a mazda car and run the serial number on it u will find that it is a ford product. Therefore made by ford. I am dumb I use to own a mazda, everytime something screwed up I would run the part number and have to get the part from the mazda dealership, but they would have to get the part by ordering it from ford. I am not basing anything from experiance of one car. My parents both had mazdas. Alot of my other family also had mazdas. And they all had problems, with the engine and tranny.
Then with the RX-7. The parts used for this car are the only parts not made by ford. I have done tons of research. I am not one of those people that just say crap because they think that is what it is. I READ. And some people here should do research before they make any assumptions that someone is wrong.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Master
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first off not only are they assoiciated or in your words work together, ford own thems. If u take any part from a mazda car and run the serial number on it u will find that it is a ford product. Therefore made by ford. I am dumb I use to own a mazda, everytime something screwed up I would run the part number and have to get the part from the mazda dealership, but they would have to get the part by ordering it from ford. I am not basing anything from experiance of one car. My parents both had mazdas. Alot of my other family also had mazdas. And they all had problems, with the engine and tranny.
Then with the RX-7. The parts used for this car are the only parts not made by ford. I have done tons of research. I am not one of those people that just say crap because they think that is what it is. I READ. And some people here should do research before they make any assumptions that someone is wrong.[hr]
Now you're saying that because Ford owns Mazda that all mazda parts are made by ford? Wtf are you smoking?
All Protege Protege Parts are made in Japan by Mazda, Assembled in Japan and Shipped to the Western World.
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I know you're dumb.
Now you're saying that because Ford owns Mazda that all mazda parts are made by ford? Wtf are you smoking?
All Protege Protege Parts are made in Japan by Mazda, Assembled in Japan and Shipped to the Western World.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: n00dleboy
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[hr]Originally posted by: Master
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first off not only are they assoiciated or in your words work together, ford own thems. If u take any part from a mazda car and run the serial number on it u will find that it is a ford product. Therefore made by ford. I am dumb I use to own a mazda, everytime something screwed up I would run the part number and have to get the part from the mazda dealership, but they would have to get the part by ordering it from ford. I am not basing anything from experiance of one car. My parents both had mazdas. Alot of my other family also had mazdas. And they all had problems, with the engine and tranny.
Then with the RX-7. The parts used for this car are the only parts not made by ford. I have done tons of research. I am not one of those people that just say crap because they think that is what it is. I READ. And some people here should do research before they make any assumptions that someone is wrong.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Master
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first off not only are they assoiciated or in your words work together, ford own thems. If u take any part from a mazda car and run the serial number on it u will find that it is a ford product. Therefore made by ford. I am dumb I use to own a mazda, everytime something screwed up I would run the part number and have to get the part from the mazda dealership, but they would have to get the part by ordering it from ford. I am not basing anything from experiance of one car. My parents both had mazdas. Alot of my other family also had mazdas. And they all had problems, with the engine and tranny.
Then with the RX-7. The parts used for this car are the only parts not made by ford. I have done tons of research. I am not one of those people that just say crap because they think that is what it is. I READ. And some people here should do research before they make any assumptions that someone is wrong.[hr]
Now you're saying that because Ford owns Mazda that all mazda parts are made by ford? Wtf are you smoking?
All Protege Protege Parts are made in Japan by Mazda, Assembled in Japan and Shipped to the Western World.[hr]
Back it up with something I haven't read. And I will believe it. Plus my cousin has a protege. Umm I help her when she has problems, and u know what? the serial numbers all come up as Ford. I wonder why that is hmmmmmmmmm. Why don't u acctually geta serial number out of a piece of a$$ mazda and check it our yourself.
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Rep Power: 0 ACTUALLY.. did you know that Mazda is responsible for making Ford's smaller displacement engines? Including the ones found in Mystique, Contour, and Focus? I always knew this (since when did Ford make DOHC 24-valve V6 engines? definitely not back in early 90's when contour first came out) But guess what they all have Ford serial numbers.
The new Landrover with the BMW 4.4L V8? Ford serial numbers.
I'm willing to bet that the new RX-8's rotary engine will have--guess what--a Ford serial number.
Protege, as of right now, is all Japanese. This won't last long, of course.. next gen will share chassis with the Focus replacement.
The new Landrover with the BMW 4.4L V8? Ford serial numbers.
I'm willing to bet that the new RX-8's rotary engine will have--guess what--a Ford serial number.
Protege, as of right now, is all Japanese. This won't last long, of course.. next gen will share chassis with the Focus replacement.
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Rep Power: 0 Noodleboy, the fact that Ford now owns Mazda led to Mazda using Ford replacement parts in their design. This I learned while shopping around for a car last year (I was thinking of a Protege5, even though I loved the design and features, just couldn't get over it being a Mazda).
It might be true what 01Coupe says about Protege being made by/with Japanese Mazda parts, but I think since Protege5 is a US model it is built with as many Ford parts as possible (to save money from importing).
It might be true what 01Coupe says about Protege being made by/with Japanese Mazda parts, but I think since Protege5 is a US model it is built with as many Ford parts as possible (to save money from importing).
