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Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.
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Rep Power: 0 There is no replacement for displacement. Yes, those Z28's and SS's have gigantic engines that produce 300+ hp, but the reason they produce so little horsepower is because an engine is much like a rubber band; the more you try to stretch it (get more and more power out of it without changing displacement), the more stress you are placing on the engine and the more likely it is to break. Now, I'm not saying that Hondas are more likely to break because they have so much more power-per-litre, but I am claiming that GM doesn't exactly use the highest-quality parts to build their engines, so they can't push them as hard. I don't know how many of you actually read car magazines...yes...READ them, not look at the pictures...but if you read Motor Trend, Automobile Magazine, or Road and Track, you will catch hints of what I'm saying.
Now, I do not believe everything I hear or read, but I have also seen and experienced many downfalls with American vehicles (particularly sports cars). I have driven my Civic like a race car (I've hit the redline more often than Bush pauses in a sentence) since the day I bought it and a friend of mine, a disappointed owner of a 2001 Pontiac TransAm (Firebird w/ V8 for those of you who aren't familiar with this car), is already having to rebuild his engine because he also likes to drive like a maniac.
Guys (and girls), I've always wanted a really fast car; something sporty and fun to drive. I had a Charger for a little while and had to sell it because it was more trouble than it was worth and really not a good daily driver. I purchased my Civic with the hopes of being able to create a fun, realiable, sports car with a lot of aftermarket products. Prior to purchasing the Civic, I have always owned American vehicles and was disappointed with the lack of (useful) aftermarket products. So, here I am. I own a car that has less than 2 litres of displacement sitting in the engine bay, a LOT less than 200 horsepower stock, and hardly any aftermarket products to help me achieve my dreams. If I were able to achieve 300+ hp with the 2001 Honda Civic EX, I would be perfectly happy and have the performance I want out of my street car. However, this cannot be done without a TON of money.
It all boils down to this...the 2001 Honda Civics lack any potential as a good street rod, but after spending a few hundred more dollars on the car, you could have a little more fun and still have a reliable automobile. I guess we can't have our cake and eat it too. To have a fast AND reliable automobile, you also need a big wallet. Everyone repeat after me: Reality sucks.
Now, I do not believe everything I hear or read, but I have also seen and experienced many downfalls with American vehicles (particularly sports cars). I have driven my Civic like a race car (I've hit the redline more often than Bush pauses in a sentence) since the day I bought it and a friend of mine, a disappointed owner of a 2001 Pontiac TransAm (Firebird w/ V8 for those of you who aren't familiar with this car), is already having to rebuild his engine because he also likes to drive like a maniac.
Guys (and girls), I've always wanted a really fast car; something sporty and fun to drive. I had a Charger for a little while and had to sell it because it was more trouble than it was worth and really not a good daily driver. I purchased my Civic with the hopes of being able to create a fun, realiable, sports car with a lot of aftermarket products. Prior to purchasing the Civic, I have always owned American vehicles and was disappointed with the lack of (useful) aftermarket products. So, here I am. I own a car that has less than 2 litres of displacement sitting in the engine bay, a LOT less than 200 horsepower stock, and hardly any aftermarket products to help me achieve my dreams. If I were able to achieve 300+ hp with the 2001 Honda Civic EX, I would be perfectly happy and have the performance I want out of my street car. However, this cannot be done without a TON of money.
It all boils down to this...the 2001 Honda Civics lack any potential as a good street rod, but after spending a few hundred more dollars on the car, you could have a little more fun and still have a reliable automobile. I guess we can't have our cake and eat it too. To have a fast AND reliable automobile, you also need a big wallet. Everyone repeat after me: Reality sucks.
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I just wanted to point out that the Civic has been the best selling CAR not only in its class but in general here in Canada....I know the original post was directed at the U.S. , but the marketing strategy would not be that much different between the States and Canada......so there probably doing something right...The original does make some good ponts but if the vehicle wasn't a quality one it would not be the best selling .......and as far as I know its not just teenagers buying the civic ..........
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[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.
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Maybe you should read a little more carefully before you make blind accusations.
I didn't buy into the "Honda advertising machine", what are you talking about? I've even said I'm happy with my car, did that just slide right by you? I knew what I bought, an econobox car. My choices were between a Corolla, Sentra, Civic. I chose Civic because of its build quality, reliability.
I don't have any plans to mod my car, even if it was mod friendly. I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. This isn't a whine about how I wanted a fast car and didn't get one. Nor am I saying that American cars are better. Man, please read more carefully. You luv telling newbies search, well I tell you read.
I'm saying how the US line-up of cars leaves no room for the RSX Type R, Civic Type R, contrasted with the Honda lineup in Japan.
Yeeesh. I regret starting this thread. Just a bunch of "you suck stupid newbie" replies.
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[hr]Originally posted by: ricewashed
I only read the first post b/c it always has what the thread is about and everything else is their opinion. Personally I am pissed b/c I cannot log off my girlfriend's screenname. I told her not click on remember log in...
As for the marketing. This is what the US marketing is all about. Market to the masses. The only reason why there is a Lexus, Infinity, Acura and remember Eagle(Mits try at the market)? It is b/c Americans want to separate Luxury from economy, middleclass from poor, rich from middleclass and so forth. This is what America is about. Why do you think I bought an Import? People are pissed at this country for countless reasons and that is a major one. Sure it is a lot better than their home country but they do not have the chances that they can have here. Why do you think the World Trade Center Towers are no longer here? Why do you think the Middle eastern countries are in such a mess? What about all the third world and second world countries that we knocked on their doors? The United States is like that bully in school that picks on everyone and no one does anything to him b/c they are afraid(probably does not happen anymore, but who knows) to. Well, the Osama was pissed and he did something. China is our biggest threat today. For all you people who do not believe in the Mafia or the Triad....
I think I was talking about how our marketing appeals to our tastes and I did. That is what this country is all about. In Japan, they have to go as fast as they can by keeping the horsepower down below 280. We have not limit, but our enviromental laws keep it in tact. Companies in the US market how they people are. So if you think it is pathetic, then you indirectly call every citizen pathetic. We all know that is not true, but for people who can see that and know better... too bad everyone else does not think that way. You know there is no base RSX in Japan. The Integra comes in our(soon to be)Type S & R flavors. There is no Acura or Lexus or Infinity in Japan. Just Honda, Toyota, and Nissian. Amercians get screwed, screwed hard. Still no turbo skyline in america, no STi or no Evo II(dealer bought of course).[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: ricewashed
I only read the first post b/c it always has what the thread is about and everything else is their opinion. Personally I am pissed b/c I cannot log off my girlfriend's screenname. I told her not click on remember log in...
As for the marketing. This is what the US marketing is all about. Market to the masses. The only reason why there is a Lexus, Infinity, Acura and remember Eagle(Mits try at the market)? It is b/c Americans want to separate Luxury from economy, middleclass from poor, rich from middleclass and so forth. This is what America is about. Why do you think I bought an Import? People are pissed at this country for countless reasons and that is a major one. Sure it is a lot better than their home country but they do not have the chances that they can have here. Why do you think the World Trade Center Towers are no longer here? Why do you think the Middle eastern countries are in such a mess? What about all the third world and second world countries that we knocked on their doors? The United States is like that bully in school that picks on everyone and no one does anything to him b/c they are afraid(probably does not happen anymore, but who knows) to. Well, the Osama was pissed and he did something. China is our biggest threat today. For all you people who do not believe in the Mafia or the Triad....
I think I was talking about how our marketing appeals to our tastes and I did. That is what this country is all about. In Japan, they have to go as fast as they can by keeping the horsepower down below 280. We have not limit, but our enviromental laws keep it in tact. Companies in the US market how they people are. So if you think it is pathetic, then you indirectly call every citizen pathetic. We all know that is not true, but for people who can see that and know better... too bad everyone else does not think that way. You know there is no base RSX in Japan. The Integra comes in our(soon to be)Type S & R flavors. There is no Acura or Lexus or Infinity in Japan. Just Honda, Toyota, and Nissian. Amercians get screwed, screwed hard. Still no turbo skyline in america, no STi or no Evo II(dealer bought of course).[hr]
If Honda brought the Civic Type R here, then they forever ruin the Civic's reputation for being an economy car. I doubt we'll ever get a CTR.
If Acura got Honda to bring the Integra Type R back here then their concerns for the Type S are gonna flare up.
It's not easy bringing those cars here. On top of that, the new Integra Type R runs on 98 octane so maybe you should be glad that it's NOT here just yet. $4 a gallon is a lot of money. I wouldn't mind the Type Rs to be here but unfortunately we live in America.
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[hr]I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. [hr]
[hr]I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. [hr]
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Ummm I'm afraid you don't have a clue of what my point is.
Maybe you should read a little more carefully before you make blind accusations.
I didn't buy into the "Honda advertising machine", what are you talking about? I've even said I'm happy with my car, did that just slide right by you? I knew what I bought, an econobox car. My choices were between a Corolla, Sentra, Civic. I chose Civic because of its build quality, reliability.
I don't have any plans to mod my car, even if it was mod friendly. I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. This isn't a whine about how I wanted a fast car and didn't get one. Nor am I saying that American cars are better. Man, please read more carefully. You luv telling newbies search, well I tell you read.
I'm saying how the US line-up of cars leaves no room for the RSX Type R, Civic Type R, contrasted with the Honda lineup in Japan.
Yeeesh. I regret starting this thread. Just a bunch of "you suck stupid newbie" replies.[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.
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Maybe you should read a little more carefully before you make blind accusations.
I didn't buy into the "Honda advertising machine", what are you talking about? I've even said I'm happy with my car, did that just slide right by you? I knew what I bought, an econobox car. My choices were between a Corolla, Sentra, Civic. I chose Civic because of its build quality, reliability.
I don't have any plans to mod my car, even if it was mod friendly. I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. This isn't a whine about how I wanted a fast car and didn't get one. Nor am I saying that American cars are better. Man, please read more carefully. You luv telling newbies search, well I tell you read.
I'm saying how the US line-up of cars leaves no room for the RSX Type R, Civic Type R, contrasted with the Honda lineup in Japan.
Yeeesh. I regret starting this thread. Just a bunch of "you suck stupid newbie" replies.[hr]
no offence man, but if you post a "non-honda friendly post" in this site, your bound to get some different opinions - take them as they come as each person has their own.....you do make some valid points
but again its an opinion of yours, and each person who responds is doing the same......you sound very intelligent as your are well informed on the subject but take each response with a grain of salt....just as suggestion.......cause flamin people isn't gonna prove your point
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[hr]Originally posted by: dm1preppyI just wanted to point out that the Civic has been the best selling CAR not only in its class but in general here in Canada....I know the original post was directed at the U.S. , but the marketing strategy would not be that much different between the States and Canada......so there probably doing something right...The original does make some good ponts but if the vehicle wasn't a quality one it would not be the best selling .......and as far as I know its not just teenagers buying the civic ..........[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: dm1preppyI just wanted to point out that the Civic has been the best selling CAR not only in its class but in general here in Canada....I know the original post was directed at the U.S. , but the marketing strategy would not be that much different between the States and Canada......so there probably doing something right...The original does make some good ponts but if the vehicle wasn't a quality one it would not be the best selling .......and as far as I know its not just teenagers buying the civic ..........[hr]
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I can't say I've ever seen a Honda commercial where a civic is ever related to Racing, Rice Rockets, or anything else about being fast. Everything I see always to refer to the fact that it's reliable and gets rediculous gas milage. The only Honda commercial I've ever seen about going fast is the RSX type S commercial, and that one seems pretty justified. The Civic is an economy car. the only time you can use the word Civic with the word Race is that it's a Rat Racer and Honda has never made it out to be anything more than that.
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Rep Power: 0 I agree with Boiler. To me, it appears as if the target audience of a Civic would be those interested in a reliable economy vehicle. That is the reason I purchased mine. I have no interest in mods at all. None of the Civic ads are remotely related to racing, rice, etc.
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[hr]Originally posted by: aki
Ummm I'm afraid you don't have a clue of what my point is.
Maybe you should read a little more carefully before you make blind accusations.
I didn't buy into the "Honda advertising machine", what are you talking about? I've even said I'm happy with my car, did that just slide right by you? I knew what I bought, an econobox car. My choices were between a Corolla, Sentra, Civic. I chose Civic because of its build quality, reliability.
I don't have any plans to mod my car, even if it was mod friendly. I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. This isn't a whine about how I wanted a fast car and didn't get one. Nor am I saying that American cars are better. Man, please read more carefully. You luv telling newbies search, well I tell you read.
I'm saying how the US line-up of cars leaves no room for the RSX Type R, Civic Type R, contrasted with the Honda lineup in Japan.
Yeeesh. I regret starting this thread. Just a bunch of "you suck stupid newbie" replies.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: aki
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[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: solar
Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!! If you really get to the bottom of this thread "aki" is un happy with the Honda commercails and thier magizine adds. You buy a car for what you know about it, not what a company preaches. If you buy into the "Honda Advertising Machine" than thats your own fault, because it sounds to me you did and now your not happy. I bought my car based on research not advertisments, and if I didn't like the car then I wouldn't have bought it.
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Maybe you should read a little more carefully before you make blind accusations.
I didn't buy into the "Honda advertising machine", what are you talking about? I've even said I'm happy with my car, did that just slide right by you? I knew what I bought, an econobox car. My choices were between a Corolla, Sentra, Civic. I chose Civic because of its build quality, reliability.
I don't have any plans to mod my car, even if it was mod friendly. I don't get my kicks out of getting 2 more HP and 100 more decibels of sound from my car. This isn't a whine about how I wanted a fast car and didn't get one. Nor am I saying that American cars are better. Man, please read more carefully. You luv telling newbies search, well I tell you read.
I'm saying how the US line-up of cars leaves no room for the RSX Type R, Civic Type R, contrasted with the Honda lineup in Japan.
Yeeesh. I regret starting this thread. Just a bunch of "you suck stupid newbie" replies.[hr]
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