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I was surprised to see this... I was flipping through the back of Motor Trend in the section where they list the tables of numbers on the cars they've tested in the past 2 years.
They tested an '01 EX and got these numbers....
0-60 : 9.0
1/4 mile: 16.5/82.7

and an '02 LX and got...
0-60 : 8.3
1/4 mile : 16.4/84.3


The slalom numbers were the same and the EX stopped quicker due to the ABS, but why is the LX with 12 less HP faster? The sunroof can't possibly weigh that much.

 
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It jsut goes to show you it's the driver not the car.

 
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plus it was a 01 EX and a 02 LX. older car could have had some design flaws or whatever that were worked out in 2002. also, did it say whether they were both coupes or both sedans? one could have been a coupe and the other a sedan, which have different weights.
plus, yeah, the driver has a lot to do with it. altho im sure all the MT drivers are top notch and they do multiple runs and either take the best one or an average.

 
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......stupid to check magazines for times, they're almost always inaccurate. It's better to average out 1/4 times of a couple real drivers that took their cars to the drag strip instead of relying on critics. Just my $.02, however[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Adding info...
they were both 5 speed transmissions... The EX was a coupe, the LX was a sedan.

 
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Well then that makes even less sense !!

When I had first gotten my EX, I raced a guy with a brand new
LX (both Coupes, and both Auto, and both stock)
And I beat him by about a half car length.

 
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The LX weighs less than an EX, plus 12 HP difference isn't that much.

 
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12 HP isn't that much ? That's a pretty nice chunk of HP.

 
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my friends used to make fun of me when i first bought the lx they bragged about vtec but its all in the driver and i owned them 12 hp is not anything plus the lx is lighter than the ex so the only differance i can see is a crappy stock cd player and abs brakes and a sunroof i think the lx is a much better deal than the ex

 
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I love how honda rates the engines as 12HP difference...but where it counts (to the wheels, which actually MOVES the car), there is an even smaller difference.

To the wheels on an EX: 109.1HP
To the wheels on an LX: 101.4HP

That's only...hang on, lemme do the math...uh...7.7(?) HP difference.

It really comes down to how fast you can shift, and how much stereo you got in the trunk [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

I have an LX sedan, and I raced my friends Si (in canada...the EX in the states), and we were side by side the entire time. He said I would have beaten him if I didn't shift like a sissy. proof: we switched cars and he beat me!

we raced 4/5 times, so this was 'on average'. I never did beat him.

oh, and before anybody gets their fur in a fluff, this wasn't "Illegal street racing". It was done properly, for bragging rights.

 
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keep it on the street buddy lol

 
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RIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHTT....[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]

and drivers from Road & track or MotorTrend are not real drivers?.. and you are?

 
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i agree unless its import tuner i would trust there times they use pro drivers

 
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Heard of "magazine racers"? My Ex does 16.3 in the 1/4. I have the slip to prove it. How about you Lx people?

 
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For you mag racers, both Edmunds and Car & Driver test drove the EX coupe w/ 5spd and they both got 16.2. Do I trust any of these times more than the other?... NO. I only trust the times that real people get with time slips/videos to prove it. Someone on here ran a 15.8, bone stock and backed it up with two videos....

 
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Does the 2dr and 4dr have the same engine and HP if they are the same model? Also I know it doesn't make much of a difference but small thing slow ya down like radio on, headlights on, windows down, AC on, and also I think having ABS makes the car a little slower, not sure on that though.

 
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windows always down when racing ac off as well if the heat is to much to deal with just push the button the ventalates(sp) the air i never used that button yet lol

 
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Holy Fvcking Shyt, how could you forget about the armrest?????

 
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why wouldnt you trust MT or car & driver test drivers? what do they have to gain from fooling anyone with "false" numbers? its not like theyre selling the hondas. in my opinion they are fairly impartial as far as their tests go. they are professional drivers and i would trust them WAY more than some schmuck that got lucky or whatever on the drag strip. MT and R&T have dedicated courses that are always the same, and the environment is a controlled one.

 
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There is more than just a 12hp difference though. The EX shows gains through the entire powerband over the LX, nothing huge but its not like honda just tacked 12hp on, that is only peak.

 
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you can but you can't. Honda could pay them so much a year and if ford pays them more there going to say that the focus is better then the civic.

 
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in theory that might happen, altho i highly doubt that it does bacause there is no way that they would be able to sell their magazine if people knew it was all based on bribes.

and besides, ford vs honda maybe...but this is a honda civic EX vs a honda civic LX. are you saying that honda paid MT to say that the lower end civic from last year is better?? thats kinda dumb.

i think you people have watched "conspiracy theory" a few too many times. LOL

 
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The power difference to the wheels is actually less than the amount listed above. I don't have the links, but people posted their dyno results and saw around 3-5HP difference between the LX and EX stock. With that sort of difference, it's not hard to picture a tenth of a second difference in the 1/4 times. Remember also that a 1/10 is a decent amout of space at ~80MPH. I'd believe the 1/2 a car length that someone got in their auto.

Automakers are notorious for over-estimating/over-testing the flywheel HP to make the numbers sound good, especially in 'performance' models. Wheel HPs are even more disappointing in some models (Spec-V anyone?) compared to the HP the manufacturer provides at the flywheel.

Anyone that bought the EX over the LX for a huge performance increase got taken to the cleaners. 12HP doesn't matter much in the first place, but after drivetrain losses and weight differences, the difference is almost nill

 
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I hope you're joking........drag racing legally is more fun anyway, it's all about skill, not being first "off the line"

 
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The entire bottom end of the LX engine is the same as the EX engine. Its only the top that's different. There is obviously a bit of peak gains, but that's because of VTEC. When it boils down to it, I'd prefer my LX...it'll be smarter to turbo IT than an EX, because it doesn't have VTEC to interfere!

 
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LMAO!

 
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The magazines' reviews are subjective but the performance numbers are objective. It's not called being a mag racer either. Mags are very good for getting a general idea of what a car is like. Those editors test basically every car that hits our market and even a lot of the foreign market cars that we will never see. They know what they are talking about. However, some consideration must be taken given the fact that their revenue is made through advertisements. You also have to remember that the amount of subscribers they have plays the biggest role in what they can charge for an advertisement.

Anyhow, any of you ever take the time to look at the fine print and see just how their performance test are conducted. They hold every variable constant that is humanly possible.

Out at the dragstrip, you have billy bob, peggy sue, **** ku, Tyrone, tameqa, Habeeb, etc....too many uncontollable variables with driving technique (LOL), mods, elevation levels, temperture, you name it, etc.......How can anyone call that reliable data? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

Plus, any acceleration numbers that are w/i a half second of each other can basically be considered equal.

Lx vs. ex----I think they are fairly close performance wise. I didn't buy my ex for the sohc vtec, lol. I bought it for the sunroof, body colored handles and mirrors, abs, keyless entry, cd player, armrest (elbow), you get the idea.

 
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.......could not have said it better........
you guys are going a bit far......if you want to dig that deep.......
why don't you ask.........what was the temp. when they timed the EX vs LX.......
were they at the same track???......same starting pad???.......same elevation???.......
same guy that weighs 150 lbs.......instead of one that weighs 220 lbs......and one weighing in at 125 lbs.....
Who cares.....we all drive the same car........
peace, trevor[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

and by the way........someone said 8whp....isn't that much.......B.S.....when you driving a 109 whp car.......even 4whp is alot.....some people would pay 4,000$$$ for 40 whp..(the thread about HKS)....thats a 100$$ per 1 whp..........some of you are paying more than that w/ the I/H/E.....there are barely any WHP there.......so For the people that DID buy the EX for more HP.....sure they payed 160$$ more per whp.....but hey....so are most of us w/ the I/H/E........
I dunno........never mind........
later.....[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Hey nOOdleboy..., I did not mean in the slightest that I was a better driver than auto magazine's test drivers, damn, I'm sure I suck compared to them. If you read through my post again, maybe this time you'll realize I never mentioned MYSELF, tough guy

All I was TRYING to say is that time slips do not lie. You've gotta wonder how accurate it is when maybe only 3 drivers average their times together, probably ALL driven in the same conditions(weather, etc), and using a mystery timing method.

Of the people that take their cars to the track, some will be worse drivers, some will be better, some times it'll be cold and dry outside, sometimes it'll be warm and humid. This gives you a much more diverse and realistic variation of numbers to AVERAGE together. I'm not saying take a slip time of 15.7 and think you'll be able to hit it every time. I'm saying take all of em, even the high 17's and average together. Also, I'm sure that the instuments used to measure your times at the track are calibrated pretty damn good.

One more final thought, nOOdleboy.... kiss it[IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG] Cause I dont give a sh t about your thoughts or you slow *** Protege5 anymore! (To tell ya the truth, I never really have)[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Mbow has the big picture....