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YES I KNOW my car would have had the same problems had I modified it or not. All of the problems were there from day one. The mods could not have caused the majority of the problems. ALL of the problems with my car are due to poor craftsmanship. Period! I have said a million times now that if you got a good civic more power to you BUT there are those of us that got stuck with a lemon. The tranny was defective from day one and is still even after Honda "fixed" it. The alternator well we all know there is really nothing aftermarket that could have done anything to it. The CV Boot and ball joint and front knuckle bearing well that is just sh!tty parts. The brakes well that is Honda's choice to use EXTREMELY soft brakes. Uh the SRS sensor well mmm same thing. Lets see all of the problems wouldn't have gotten to me except the way I have been treated. Like I have said I expected little bugs. I said it the day I bought the car BUT the fact that Honda refuses to own up to their mistakes and tell me that the problems are my fault is bullsh!t! The fact that I am a 20 year old female and they treat me like I couldn't know a damn thing about a car is what p!sses me off the most. No one gives a damn. The owner of the dealership told me that I just get to deal with it and that it wasn't his problem and he tried to threaten me. That is my problem with Honda.

 
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If you had those problems since day 1, I'm wondering whether you should have gone ahead and started modifying your car. Because now, Honda can use that against you, as part of their defense in your lawsuit. It's likely they have to examine the car during the lawsuit, and if they see all those aftermarket stuff on it, they can void the warranty right then and there.

I'm not saying this in a bad way, so don't overreact, ok?

 
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HONDA will definetly inspect your car. They'll look for anything they can find to keep from having to deal with you.

 
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You know hindsight is 20/20. Yeah I probably shouldn't have done any mods. But I did. Honda cannot use it against me. There is something called the Magnuson-Moss Warrenty Act that allows for mods.

"With regard to aftermarket parts, the gist of the law is that warrenty coverage can not be denied simply because such parts are present on the vehicle, or have been used (See Attachment A for details). The warrenty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarket part caused the malfunction or damage for which warrenty coverage is sought."

"The Magnuson-Moss Warrenty Act may also be helpful. Under this fedral law, you can sue on breach or express and implied warrenties. The main point of intrest here is that the act says warrenty coverage may not be conditioned upon the use of only the vehicle manufacturers parts unless the parts are provided free of charge. In other words, use of a non-carmakerproduct should not void your warrenty unless it caused the problem."

"No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warrenty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service ( other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of warrenty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporation name...." (15 U.S.C. 2302 (C)).

This comes from the SEMA web site. It is a fedral law as mentioned above. So if they want to go there well then i will go to that law. Basically all the problems were there from day 1 but a lot of them took a while to show up.

 
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i have yet to experience any problems with my civic beyond the a/c coming on when i hit the defroster. this is my second civic and i didnt want to get rid of my 92, they are good cars if you dont dog them.

 
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Yes, there is this law you brought up. But the above sentence gives Honda a lot of ammo to use. There is also some paragraph in our manuals about mods voiding your warranty, which I'm sure they will use. I know it is up to them to prove it, and I'm sure they will come up with something, whether true or false. They can say that the suspension of this car was not made for HR springs or 17" rims... or they can say that your engine problems are due to your intake and exhaust, etc. There is a load of crap that they can make up, especially if you said that some of the problems took a while to show up.

Then it will be up to you to prove that your mods did NOT cause these problems.

I dunno ... I'm just saying that it was tough fight to begin with, if your car was stock. Your mods only made the fight that much tougher.

 
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just get rid of the civ if you have so many problems, and buy a kia[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] i'm sure my friend that has had 4 transmissions in his 01 kia with 20k miles will just give you his

 
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My experience going the BBB route / through arbitration was a huge waste of time myself. Basically, HONDA can just deny deny deny ala O.J. Simpson. I have nothing but stock HONDA installed mods on my car.

Hopefully, you're legal route will garner you some results. I know this, HONDA does not give a $hit whether or not you'll ever buy a car from them again. So don't even bother threatening them with that. Class action suts have had success though especially against corporate monopolies. APPLE COMPUTER and MICROSOFT are always losing cases, it's actually in their yearly budget to have to pay out these legal fees. Hopefully, HONDA will end up licking your tail. I have to admit, personally I really think in the end, it's just a case of when the time is right and you are not taking a a big financial hit...get rid of the car and get yourself something else.

I just think that it's hard to ever be completely satisfied with an economy car. We all dream of the ultimate car. It's just not available under 20,000.

 
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2cute, aren't you kinda contradicting yourself here? If some problems took a while to show up, then doesn't that mean they weren't there since day 1?

 
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This is why you never see me post anything in Issues/Problems. The only thing people do over there is say civics suck. If I wanted to hear that I would go to another website.

 
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Kinda not really the tranny was the one I was really refering to. It was a problem from day one. The car came off the line with that problem. The first few times it happened I just thought it was driver error and didn't think to much of it. It did it within a week of having the car. That was what I meant. As far as the SRS and the alternator explain to me how ANY on my mods could have caused that. I'm not concerned with being able to prove the mods were not the cause. I know and so do they that the car was like that from day one. The brakes give me a brake they were worn at 5,000 miles come on that is bull ****. They have yet to prove my mods caused any of the problems. They KNOW they didn't. They tried that bull **** and found out I knew what I was talking about. I knew the laws and they backed their a$$es into the corner. Honestly I have a hell of a lot more ammo for the suit than they do. They can try and I will put them in their place. I'm sorry I sound arrogent but that's the truth. I do my homework. That is what bothers them. They discovered that with the tranny problem. I came back knowing what was wrong with the car and I could prove it was a know problem. This site is also wonderful ammo for me in all honesty. The vehicle issues/problems section will be MUCH to my advantage. It boils down to them having to prove this car hasn't been in the shop a reasonable amount of times. They have to prove the car was fixed within a reasonable amount of attemps on my side and they most definatly CAN NOT!. I also did not put the whole law on here I just put pertinant info from it. If you read over the whole thing it goes onto more detail. Basically the biggest point I was trying to make was unless they provide the parts for FREE the consumer is entitled to replace the parts with aftermarket parts.

 
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2cute ! just curious! what do you want from HONDA, another car , money, an apology, ? also what do you plan on driving when this is all over........

 
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At the beginning all I wanted was for them to buy my car for the full value like I never bought the car type deal. At this point I want that plus some. I would love an apology but I KNOW I will NEVER get it. As far as what I will be driving after I get rid of this piece of **** well that will depend on the settlement honestly. I would love to buy the WRX but right noe it is a bit out of my price range. I have driven damn near every car on the market at this point and the most impressive for the price was the Spec V. All I can say is there will NEVER be another Honda in my driveway again. Honda screwed themselves they have lost a lot of very loyal customers that have spent a lot of money in the past 5 years on top of the cars we had before that from Honda. But they really don't care about that so whatever.

 
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Hey I'll let you guys in on a little experience. I didn't read the whole tread so flame me if I missed something. My parents had a brand new $80k Mercedes. Guess what happened at 50000 miles? The engine blew. Whoa, fork over $13000 for a new one because the warranty is expired. Will Mercedes do anything about it? No, they have better things to do.

The point is every single auto manufacturer has certain models that may be lemons and give the people who buy them lots of problems. Don't like your car. Trade it in. You lose some money but how much is your mental health worth from all the stress you are causing yourself?

My parents have owned many expensive cars and cheaper ones. My car seems to be the one that has the least problems now. Don't like it, get rid of it. Plain and simple.

 
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Interesting thing in Consumer Report about Honda's reliability. After the luxury cars there is:

#1 Toyota
#2 Volvo
#3 Honda

Yep, Volvo has crept in on us. Honda used to be on top. Then it used to be 2nd, but it was less expensive, so no biggie. Now it's third. I'm getting concerned too to tell you the truth. Oh well, hopefully Honda sees this and will get their act together when people start buying more Toyota's and Volvo's instead of Honda's.

 
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people love bickering ~ its in our genes... i myself am a master at it...

 
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ummm i gave up reading the crying at about the 3rd page...and I cought another fvck up from 2cute (among other things)

ummm no they didnt, they just changed the name. RSX is still called the Integra in Japan

 
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Oh aren't you all going to flame him? I said exactly that and I got reemed. Either way Honda needs to get their **** together.
You know, I am only speaking about the US market the Japanese market is a totally different story. Yeah well guess what Acura, Lexus, Infinity don't exist in Japan. You wanna go there? So yes the ACURA Integra does not exist anymore.

 
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Well, there is a big difference between WHAT is said, and the WAY it was said... perception is everything on open forums. And I believe the WAY you say things in almost all your posts just tends to invite flaming from other people.

If you're going to be confrontational and add a Honda flame in each of your posts (on a Honda forum no less) then you should be expecting no less than confrontational responses in return.

 
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I really think that the problem is that some people expect a lot from a econo car. If one was to do the same modifications to say a ford exporer or a chrysler noen or ram truck ect would we expect the same trouble free operation we expect from a little civic not mention the warrenty .I wonder what ford or crysler would say if you returned one of there autos with the same modifications, done that 2cute has performed and wanted a new car and money. .My 2k1 lx has been a great car with only a squeaky strut that the dealer replaced . and I am sure that most other people feel as I do that the civic is a good ride , not perfect but much better than most econo boxes.