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http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=66743

Looks like new cars from Honda are finally going to have Direct Injected engines, and these OTTO cycle engines can also function as Atkinson cycle engines when demand is low (compression stroke is shorter than power stroke) for even more fuel savings. Estimated 10% fuel savings, so maybe 45MPG highway for the regular Civic?
The primary mode for the engine is OTTO, then secondary is Atkinson.
I like. Now we just have to wait for homogeneous stratified charge OTTO cycle engines..no spark plugs during low demand so it functions like a diesel .. 14:1 compression or so. Edit:[ Beyond this, there isn't anything else you can do to an OTTO cycle to make it more efficient (from what I've researched).
Diesel fuel powered Atkinson engines are one idea, or higher compression with OTTO cycle maybe.]

The new Civic will have 148HP instead of the now 140HP.
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...d-engines.html

 
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Heh. DI engine in a Honda, looks like they're finally taking notes. I'll have to read up on Atkinson. Heard of it, just never got any info on it.

 
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Last time I was at a school (October), we were told this would be coming soon.
I'm fine with it, more hi-tech that the general public can't even begin to comprehend. As long as there is lots of distracting junk in the dash, and their iPodthingy works, their life is grand.

Makes me wonder if the general public is going to be the long-term R&D department again, like when they released the '06 Civic.
I already wonder this about my '12 Civic.

 
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Was there anything wrong with the current engine?I don't think many people complained about the engine.They need to overhaul the interior,eff all the plastic they used,form a new suspension system,and make it more quiet.Don't forget new brakes either.Honda has fallen behind everyone now,Toyota,Chevy,Hyundai,hell even Kia.

 
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Yeah. I'm all for getting rid of all the plastic, but I'm thinking this is all for these insane EPA standards more than anything. Won't be too long before they start adding turbos to their larger cars. Well, one large car.

 
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Turbo?Turbo what that is?LOL

 
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Hmm, why was this moved to General Automotive Discussion? I believe these new engines will make their debut in 2013 Hondas, I don't know if they will be 10th generation or still 9th generation.

 
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^ Where was it originally?Well Honda is releasing the new Civic next year,presumably in April.Possible new engine in that car?But an engine isn't what they should be focusing on

 
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The thread was moved, because the generational forums are exclusively for technical discussion, topics like "my 2010 Civic is making funny noises", whereas this is news and general discussion of the civics design evolution.

 
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I think they'd be better off not releasing a 2013 Civic and further tarnishing the brand than a only slightly revised model, it's hard to change peoples' minds after they read so many terrible reviews, of course that would never happen. That said, the interviews and press releases by the CEO, sound like it will be a very different car next year.. thankfully.

 
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Well, the way I see it, if they put the new 1.8L in the Civic, then they could very well get better than the 42MPGhwy that the Chevy Cruze gets, making the Civic the most efficient non-hybrid non-diesel compact car out there. If it can get 44MPGhwy, then it'll best the 43MPGhwy VW TDI.

The current Civic with the aerodynamic mods is rated at 41MPGhwy and so I think it's entirely possible to get to 44MPGhwy or higher with that model with the new engine, and at least meeting the Chevy Cruze with the non-eco Civics (from 39MPGhwy to 42MPGhwy).

So a new engine will give a good reason to go with a Civic
Although, some people don't like CVT transmissions that much and I think the new Civics won't have an auto tranny with a torque converter, just a CVT and maybe a manual. With the CVT, hopefully they'll have a 'fun' mode so the computer can simulate gear shifting. What more can you ask for? People buy the Nissan Juke that comes with a CVT.

 
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Well I can ask for a not so cheap and plastic interior,not so much body roll,be able not to feel every bump in the road,and feel safe if I ever need to make a quick stop.A new engine?Sure why not,but I say let's try to focus on the problems at hand first

 
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Ya definitely. I haven't really looked into the flaws of the 9thgens but I know that Civics are known to be economy sports cars and if it handles slugglishly (bodyroll) then that should be fixed for sure.

 
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My '12 Civic handles like a freekin' slot car compared to my old Buick!
I'm not missing the gas mileage, but I miss the soft, cushy ride of the Buick......

I must be elderly. I need to go sit in my rocking chair on the porch and yell at kids. Get off my lawn!

 
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yeah, there was a discussion a while ago about the flaws of the new vic.
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...-feedback.html

 
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now, for who have no freaking idea what an Atkinson cycle is, well, wikipedia is culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle
Honda seems to simply have cleverly used the Vtec for the purposes.

now, for wikipedia culture, please see here
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...iracy-act.html

 
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Meanwhile at other dealers...Hyundai beats Honda,Chevy beats Honda,Toyota beats Honda,and Kia beats Honda.Budget cuts hurt Honda with the 9th gen.Those old 6th gen's Civic will go on forever.Hell my dad had a 5th gen and probbaly got 250k on the engine before it blew.I would rather drop another 10k for an Accord instead of buying a Civic.

 
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Agreed.

My buddy was a sales manager at Honda and has worked there since he was 15, but recently made the tough decision to accept a job at a Hyundai dealership. Honda just isn't what it used to be, killing every bit of performance from the line up, even the s2k which was selling 10k+ units a year hurt the brands image seriously. Discontinuing the NSX made perfect sense if you know the back story behind it, but the s2k and Type-R were somewhat profitable and helped with prevent Honda from being looked at as strictly an economy brand. Look at how well received the Genesis is among all sectors of the market..

 
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I still say the Gen Coupe is a sexy car.

 
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Too bad the latest Civic Type R is ****.They shouldn't have stopped producing the FD2.The FN2 is rubbish compared to the FD2.The S2000 was a great car.The Genesis seems like a great car,I would love to own the coupe one.I don't even consider the Si a sporty car.If they want a sport car,here's a suggestion Honda,put the CRZ on weight watchers,then send it to workout with the Type R's.When it's done,it'll got rid of it's fat,but more power.

 
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@ MelJ the Genesis coupe is a sexy car.The body styling is far better than the Accord coupe.

 
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With all that's being said about Honda compared with my parents last Accord which wasn't very inspiring or impressive, It looks as if my next vechicle will not be a Honda. My 05 is hard enough to do anything with and has a lot of things I feel are poorly designed/cheap and really, drum breaks? Come on. Drum breaks don't even belong on dirtbikes, why put them on a car?

 
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(It's spelled BRAKES.)

Aaaand do you realize how often you will need to do a rear brake job on those drum brakes? Probably not more than once, over the entire lifetime of the car (200k-300k here). Good design (or maybe good choice of materials?), in my opinion. Not the worlds easiest brakes to replace, but they last a loooong time.

It always seems like I shouldn't have bothered to check them--after I get the drums off. Seems like they don't ever show any significant wear until long after 100,000 miles, they almost always look good.

 
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Who cares anymore...let's just wait and see what Honda is gonna reveal next April.

 
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You sound like carnoobie..

There's was a thread a few weeks ago where we discussed the benefits of drums over discs for pages, the only downside is that they don't look pretty. Even the performance benefits of rear disks is non-existent on street cars, you can very seriously road race a heavily modified car with drums and people do, because they weigh less and rarely ever engage anyway.

Even the unattractiveness, not really a big deal, I can barely see the brakes with stock wheels on.

 
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Unattractive?Who gives...It's not like people judge you by the look of your brakes.

 
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Anyway, back on the topic of fuel efficiency..

It's interesting to see that Honda is introducing cylinder shut down, I wonder if that will make it to the smaller four cylinder engines eventually.

 
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Speak for yourself.

I'm very self concious about my brakes bro..

 
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Lol what.Idk I never really took time to look at someone's brakes.Everytime I look at a car I look at the rims.It's like looking at what shoes a dude is wearing.

 
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Hell for gas mileage,I'll settle with the current Civics' mileage.I'm just thinking 40MPG is great already.45,sure it'd be better,but I wanna see how much it'd really produce.