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i was looking through some of the older post and i did a search for tickets(in hope of finding tips on getting out of them) and i read a post from 2002silvercivic. the post was talkin about how cops were usesin hooked up cars to cut down on raceing. if a cop coaxed you to race him wouldnt that be entrapment? i know it wouldnt be if they u wanted to race them or if you flew by them(raceing or not).

 
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It would be entrapment if he asked you and you said yes, so TECHNICALY, he/she couldnt do it. But if you asked an undercover cop to race you and actually went through with it, your getting a ticket or worse, going to jail.

 
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thats how i thought it was thanks

 
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Entrapment is an extremely difficult defense to prove. If you chose to plead not guilty by reason of entrapment, the burden of proof will shift to the defendant to show how the police intentionally entraped him/her into the commission of a crime. The officer couldn't say verbatim "let's race" but there are ways that we're all taught in the academy to get around entrapment laws. Additionally, if an officer even believed you were racing him/her you could be summonsed/arrested. Even when not in my own personal car, I've noticed that people who street race are not that attentive...I've nailed people in both my slicktop and marked cars...

 
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Thats why I like having a POLICE OFFICER on the site, they can give you alot more informantion about the law than anyone else (other than a judge). Thanks,

 
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qcsilver let me ask u this. do u street race at all. or if some car pulled up next to u and reved would u race him if u think u could beat him. I got a story real quick one night at the races in va.beach i saw a cop in his marked car race a mustang in front of all the street racers. sorry to say the cop lost though.

 
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No, I do not street race under any circumstances. I have no tolerance for anyone that chooses to operate their vehicle in a reckless manner on public roads. Even when I learned how to drive in the police academy (we learned some wild stuff...) it was CLOSED course. If someone reved at me while in my personal car, I would pay no attention to him/her unless they started to drive in a manner which I believed could seriously injur themselves, myself or another pedestrian or motorist. While on duty, if I observed that, I would conduct a traffic stop and inform the driver that what he/she did is a vehicle and traffic violation (yes, it is unlawful to even rev your engine) and most likely not issue a summons. I am rather surprised that a VA Beach police officer would race someone while in a marked police vehicle...VA cops have a no-nonsense reputation among the law enforcement community. As for myself beating someone in a race, I have been in several police pursuits, and have ALWAYS caught the person. No one has ever successfully gotten away from me, and they were driving fast cars. I graduated from one of the longest police academies in the United States and went through an extensive driving course.

 
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Yeah, I believe you. My uncle is in the USSS and up until about a year ago, he was the main driver for President Clinton. In his training, (for driving) they were using camaro z28's and SS's on closed track courses for around 6 months to perfect the art of high speed driving and manuverability with such heavy vehicles. Around 4-5 years ago, when I lived in Iowa still, he did a J-turn down our block in the middle of the road and didnt hit anything. Needless to say, my brother and I were impressed.

 
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just to clairafy(i cant spell) this never happened to me the guy that posted this was from md and so am i.

you can read the post here i think it was the only post by 2002silvercivic

 
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<< Yeah, I believe you. My uncle is in the USSS and up until about a year ago, he was the main driver for President Clinton. In his training, (for driving) they were using camaro z28's and SS's on closed track courses for around 6 months to perfect the art of high speed driving and manuverability with such heavy vehicles. Around 4-5 years ago, when I lived in Iowa still, he did a J-turn down our block in the middle of the road and didnt hit anything. Needless to say, my brother and I were impressed. >>



I love the J turn...it took me forever to perfect, however...that and having to go full speed in reverse through cones.

 
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Entrapment is B.S.! I know cops in my town who at the end of their shift go around to bars and mark tires so that there buds can start the next shift and know whos been in the bar a while and you know what from there. To me, THAT is entrapment.

 
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hi QCKSILVR
is it true that cops have to meet a quota on writing tickets?
ive noticed that ive got tickets towards the end of the month rather in the beginning or middle.

 
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<< Entrapment is B.S.! I know cops in my town who at the end of their shift go around to bars and mark tires so that there buds can start the next shift and know whos been in the bar a while and you know what from there. To me, THAT is entrapment. >>



That is far from the legal definition of entrapment. Marking tires is used for a variety of different reasons...

Speedracer, quotas are unlawful in all fifty states, however, nothing stops a supervisor from requesting his/her officers to get their numbers up.

 
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What are you talking about??? I just told you the reason that the cops mark the tires for in the bar lots. No excuses, right from the cops mouth bro. That is what they do. So don't say that marking tires is for a bunch of reasons. You always get so offensive when peopel talk trash about cops. You seem like a good cop but the majority of cops are not.

 
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i thimk its the oppsite some cops are aholes but most of the cops ive met, whether for a good reason or not, have seemed pretty cool.

 
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10% of all cops are bad apples and ruin it for everyone...

 
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Ok, that I can agree with...10%..cause is the same for car guys...10% ruin it for everyone and it makes all of us look bad...same with police and everything else. i work for as an engineer for a city and about 10% of the city employees are lazy and it makes us all look bad.

 
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bobby, dont get me started on Downriver cops..

 
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.. cops.. i just can't understand them...

altho i would like to take that driving course

 
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Yeah I would like to take that driving course too

Nick

 
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hahaha A fellow Downriver man who can vouch for all of are idiot cops in the area! Thanks XHoteKX

 
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qcksilvr, you said its illegal to rev your engine, but would that even apply to the situation i had in my 88 dodge omni, where the engine would occasionally start revving itself to 2500 at idle (normal was around 800 or so) and the only way to make it stop was to rev up to 4500-5000, then it would drop all the way back down to normal idle.

 
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would it be entrapment if a cop was sitting near a light remotely controlling it so that in one direction it would change to yellow at the exact time where it puts the driver in a damned if you do, damned if you dont position? the only way to stop would be slam on your brakes and if you go through it, itll be red before you are 100% through it. i went through a light like that last night at a place where both lights turn red at the same time, yet when i got to where i could see the light in my rear view mirror, it was green[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG] then i saw a slicktop cop car sitting on the opposite side of the road and when i went by a blue light went on (cops have red and blue here so that was a little confusing) i didnt stick around i made a couple quick turns and hid in a driveway (no, the cop wasnt chasing me, he didnt even move when he was in my sight and he was facing the opposite direction) but i wasnt taking any chances, he cant pull me over if he cant find me [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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everytime i see a cop i take the nearest exit cops just love to bust me

 
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I wouldn't be concerned with an '88 Omni, I would expect the engine to make some sort of abnormal noises, after all, it would be like 14 years old. As far as purposefully making the light turn yellow, I don't know of anything that can make a traffic light do that. For me to change the light, I have to physically get out of my car, put my light key into the silver box on the side of the road, open it up, and push the appropriate button. Most traffic lights work this way, and like I've said I don't know of a device that will remotely change the traffic lights except for something called Opticom which makes the lights that face police cars, ambulances and firetrucks turn green and all opposing sides red and is used to quickly move traffic in an emergency, not issue tickets.

 
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Stupid question im sure BUT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; what is a J-turn?

 
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yea hes right, in Ocean City during senior week I know theyll get you if you rev your engine for the reason "Demonstration of Speed".

Bullsh!t if you ask me.

 
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<< Stupid question im sure BUT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; what is a J-turn? >>



There are two types of J turns that I learned at the police academy. A forwards J turn...driving forwards, you make a very fast turn so as to change direction using the brake and gas in a special manner. Sort of a technical U turn. The more commonly known is the backwards J turn. Going at full speed in reverse, and using the brake and gas in a special manner, you whip the vehicle around so as to come about a different direction.

 
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i see that reverse one sounds like alotta fun........ of course i wont be trying that in my baby but still sounds like fun........ maybe ill try it in my girls car lol J/K

 
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Just a quick post because I don't have a whole lot of time. Many people on this forum seem to be rather confused about what entrapment really is. In summary entrapment is a law enforcement officer "convincing" you to do something that you normally wouldn't do. If you rolled up to someone at a stop light (and you rev'd you engine) you obviously initiated the desire to race and in no way at all did he convince you to do that, even if he rev'd his engine right back at you. Although he already had grounds to write you a ticket, most cops would probably wait to see if you "took off" and then issue you a ticket for that as well. By no means is that entrapment, or anywhere close.