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"Besides they stopped using the old B engines and have switched to the new D egines. "

There was only one civic with a B series powerplant. That was the 99/00 Si(R). Civic's have had D series powerplants for years, and ours is the best one.

As for the engine being built in the states, maybe it is. my car didn't come with a window sticker. But I was under the impression that the engine was assembled in Japan and installed in the US. But I could easily be wrong.

 
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the civic has been built in the US since the late 80's the accord is also built in Ohio
check the VINs if it starts with 1 US built, starts with 2 Canadian built starts with 3 Europe , starts with J built in japan I had my civic since last June and had no problems with it at all of course I have seen some come in with problems as well as other Hondas, even older ones

 
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personally i think they paid too much attention to making it a SFTUULEV


(Super Freakin Totally Unneccessary Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle)

 
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I haven't had any problems with my vic and I don't forsee it having any. The only thing I have noticed about the civic is it seems costs has been cut and kept to a minimum in every respect. The vic competes in an economy market where the total price of the vehicle is the dominant marketing factor. If honda's price was a little higher, imo, most of the people that drive them wouldn't be because they couldn't afford it. So, to stay competitive, I think honda has sacrificed some quality in order to keep the sticker price down. I don't think honda has dropped it's quality standards. The japs have been using TQM for years and years. The honda name is what sells these cars. They have unmeasureable brand equity. Plus, hondas aren't known for being rattle free and not having any problems. They are known for engines that last forever if taken care of and having few minor, not major, problems.

 
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<< So, to stay competitive, I think honda has sacrificed some quality in order to keep the sticker price down. >>


I agree with you partially Mbow. I do think think Honda has sacrificed some quality, but they sure did not keep the sticker down that much. It's still priced kinda high for what you get (or don't get).

Here in Canada, a loaded Protege 5 is just $500 more than the EX coupe (MSRP). And the Pro 5 gives you 16" alloys with high performance tires, fogs, 4 wheel discs, more HP and torque, full body kit, and a better suspension. All stuff the EX doesn't have.

What the EX has going for it is the Honda name, better fuel economy, better crash ratings, and possibly a more reliable engine in the long run. Still, it is an expensive car for what you get.

 
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Ronin, you keep saying the protege has more HP and Torque, but it is still slower . Even the MP3, runs 0-60 in like 9 seconds (maybe a hair less).

 
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hehe... Ya, I was a bit repetitive.

Ok, I should say "more usable low-end torque", for everyday city driving... [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Wow are "are" Civics really that bad???

My 02 EX is compeltely stock, purchased in Nov 01, 6700 miles.

I have a standard tranny and get close to 36mpg, the only problem I've had was a slight rattle from the "3rd" brake light.

I've owned many new cars in the past an these were the problems;

91 Ford Probe, doors were so long and heavy that they wouldn't shut properly, and then after about a year it wouldn't start on dewy mornings (Florida Summers)............SOLD IT

95 Mazda RX7, almost the same as above, finally realized it was basically a Ford Probe................SOLD IT

97 VW Passat VR6,............rear window leaked, crappy milage, stereo kept loosing memory, leather seats had bad smell, (probably from leaking window)..........SOLD IT

Every car above mentioned had at least one major problem with in 5000 miles.

So I guess almost any car can have a problem, so I'll be keeping a sharpe eye on my Civic; but I'll have to say that for what I paid I'm very HAPPY

 
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Well that does it.....I've had my first problem. Clutch is going bad at 13K Hope it lasts till Wed. morning so I can take it to the dealer then.

 
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"95 Mazda RX7, almost the same as above, finally realized it was basically a Ford Probe................SOLD IT"

Do you want to elaborate on the RX7. I always thought those were really mazda's. I know the MX6 is a probe. but the RX7 is a rotary powered car that is even sold in Japan (and still is).

 
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Last I checked, consumer reports was saying that the reliability problem with this gen of civic was with the electrical system, not with the engine. Also, it is still a recommended vehicle, so it's not like they suddenly decided that it's a total POS. They are listing it as above average in reliability, as well. Go figure, though, that there are some glitches in a complete redesign of the vehicle. The bugs will be worked out soon...And in regards to having a trunk rattle, or something of that nature...is that really a RELIABILITY issue? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've never needed a tow 'cause my trunk was a little noisy...

 
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<< "95 Mazda RX7, almost the same as above, finally realized it was basically a Ford Probe................SOLD IT"

Do you want to elaborate on the RX7. I always thought those were really mazda's. I know the MX6 is a probe. but the RX7 is a rotary powered car that is even sold in Japan (and still is). >>



ya if it was turbo....SHAME ON YOU!

 
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<< actually its 75% USA and 20% Japan why dont you look on the sticker that came on your car >>



Hey Neo I DID LOOK AT MY WINDOW STICKER. I would scan it in for YOU to look at but my lawyer has it. There may also be a diference between the dx and other models. The reliability issue comes from Honda being cocky. They know they have a wondeful name and it WAS well deserved but now since they have that they don't have to produce the same wonderful cars they used to. Same reason they don't want to fix they sh!tty cars they made. Honda has become what all multi million dollar corporations are a company that can't wait to sell you their product but when their product has a problem they don't want to have anything to do with you.



<< 95 Mazda RX7, almost the same as above, finally realized it was basically a Ford Probe................SOLD IT >>



I don't understand how a RX-7 could be compared to a Probe. 100% different car. You are looking at the probe which as far as i know is a four banger and an RX-7 with a rotory engine. What are you going to compare the RX-8 to the V-6 Mustang?

 
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no one cares about the low end DX [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] those %'s are straight from the EX window sticker, if you dont believe me, id be more than happy to scan it in

 
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Okay this is to set my "RX7 was basically a Ford Probe" quote. What I meant was is that both were produced by Mazda and both had the same type of small problems. The RX7 was a hell of a lot more fun to drive than the Probe, but both had the same type of quailty flaws. I know that the cars are completly different; sorry to cause confusion.

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<< "Besides they stopped using the old B engines and have switched to the new D egines. "

There was only one civic with a B series powerplant. That was the 99/00 Si(R). Civic's have had D series powerplants for years, and ours is the best one.

As for the engine being built in the states, maybe it is. my car didn't come with a window sticker. But I was under the impression that the engine was assembled in Japan and installed in the US. But I could easily be wrong. >>


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sorry dude but my 98 lx had a sohc b16 and i could have kept it and done a frankenstien conversion and put a type r tranny but i wanted a new car i should have stayed with my sixth gen had less problems with it

 
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there was never a SOHC b series motor. either you read the engine block wrong or your on crack. Nitehawk is right.

B16A- JDM DOHC VTEC
B16A2 - USDM DOHC VTEC (Si)
B16A3 - USDM DOHC VTEC (VTEC Sol)
B16B- JDM DOHC VTEC (Type R EK9)
B18B- LS DOHC (Integra LS Block)
B18C1 - USDM DOHC VTEC (Integra GSR)
B18C5 - USDM DOHC VTEC (Integra Type R)

 
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NEO GET THE STICK OUT OF YOUR A$$ AND GROW UP!!!!!!

 
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awwwwwwwwwww thanks im glad to see ive gotten under your skin [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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my 2k1 (built in June 2001) is working just fine...no problems, squeaks, etc as of yet and i've been reading about others...it's got almost 8k miles

every car company has its lemons (some you get a higher chance than others)

the focus had 5 immediate recalls in the 1st year of production...just yesterday the NHTSA is opening 4 seperate investigations just on the the 2001/2002 focus lineup for fires (16 injuries), rear wheel bearing failures, stalling, etc.

the sentra/altima have had their teething problems also...honda ranks in the top 8 consistently in quality where nissan hovers around average...i've owned a sentra...its not honda/toyota quality (i will get a 240sx and do the sr20det swap in the next couple years...so i'm not a nissan hater)