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Looks like Domestics are Dying
Check this out....Looks like Ford, GM, and Dodge are going to have to up their quality before they all get squashed!
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Ford Motor Co. plans to close at least 10 plants and cut 25,000 to 30,000 hourly jobs in North America within five years, according to a published report Wednesday.
The Detroit News, quoting people familiar with the plan, said the deep cuts will be presented to the Ford board of directors for consideration Wednesday. It will not be revealed to the public until Jan. 23, according to the paper.
The cuts are much deeper than earlier reports, which initially had Ford closing as few as three assembly plants and cutting only about 7,000 positions.
Ford spokesman Oscar Suris would only tell the paper, "Our work continues. These plans will be final when they're ready to be shared publicly."
The paper said that the shakeups at Ford will include the departure of as many as seven top executives in the coming weeks.
Ford had 87,000 UAW-represented workers in North America at the end of 2004, along with about 11,600 union workers in Canada, according to the paper.
The depth of the cuts would be comparable to the plans announced at General Motors two weeks ago to close a dozen North American facilities and eliminate about 30,000 hourly jobs.
Sources familiar with Ford's strategy told the paper the decision about which plants to close has not been finalized, adding that Ford may only announce a few specific plant closures in January. UAW Vice President Gerald Bantom told the paper that the details of Ford's restructuring plan will be released Jan. 23, but said the union does not know the extent of Ford's planned cuts.
"We're hoping that nothing happens," said Bantom, who heads the UAW's Ford bargaining unit. "But we know that's not going to happen."
Over the past year, Ford's pretax profits in North America have fallen from almost $1.8 billion in the first nine months of 2004 to a loss of nearly $2.2 billion for the same period in 2005.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Ford Motor Co. plans to close at least 10 plants and cut 25,000 to 30,000 hourly jobs in North America within five years, according to a published report Wednesday.
The Detroit News, quoting people familiar with the plan, said the deep cuts will be presented to the Ford board of directors for consideration Wednesday. It will not be revealed to the public until Jan. 23, according to the paper.
The cuts are much deeper than earlier reports, which initially had Ford closing as few as three assembly plants and cutting only about 7,000 positions.
Ford spokesman Oscar Suris would only tell the paper, "Our work continues. These plans will be final when they're ready to be shared publicly."
The paper said that the shakeups at Ford will include the departure of as many as seven top executives in the coming weeks.
Ford had 87,000 UAW-represented workers in North America at the end of 2004, along with about 11,600 union workers in Canada, according to the paper.
The depth of the cuts would be comparable to the plans announced at General Motors two weeks ago to close a dozen North American facilities and eliminate about 30,000 hourly jobs.
Sources familiar with Ford's strategy told the paper the decision about which plants to close has not been finalized, adding that Ford may only announce a few specific plant closures in January. UAW Vice President Gerald Bantom told the paper that the details of Ford's restructuring plan will be released Jan. 23, but said the union does not know the extent of Ford's planned cuts.
"We're hoping that nothing happens," said Bantom, who heads the UAW's Ford bargaining unit. "But we know that's not going to happen."
Over the past year, Ford's pretax profits in North America have fallen from almost $1.8 billion in the first nine months of 2004 to a loss of nearly $2.2 billion for the same period in 2005.
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Rep Power: 0 I'm a big ford guy myself, but i have to admit, there is no competition between the quality of a ford, compared to honda and toyota. Hate to hear it too, and they need to step it up bit time if they wanna be around for much longer....
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Rep Power: 261 It sad to see it happen,but they had it coming.They were thinking they were king **** and that the Imports would never give them a run for their money.If it wasn't for GM's and Fords trucks they would of been out awhile ago.You can only go so long pumping out **** and not pay the price for it.The older folks that have bought from the Big 3 all their lives and paid the repair bills are telling their kids to buy the Imports. Dodge seems to be going in the right direction with Mercedes backing them up. That's my 2 cents on it
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Originally Posted by 5.0calypso93lx
I'm a big ford guy myself, but i have to admit, there is no competition between the quality of a ford, compared to honda and toyota. Hate to hear it too, and they need to step it up bit time if they wanna be around for much longer....
My thoughts too...
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Rep Power: 262 I feel bad for all of the Americans who are losing their jobs. Who knows, maybe production will step up here in the states for Honda, and all of the people can go work there...They will just have to learn how to build great cars instead of POS's..
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Originally Posted by jknudsen
Check this out....Looks like Ford, GM, and Dodge are going to have to up their quality before they all get squashed!
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Ford Motor Co. plans to close at least 10 plants and cut 25,000 to 30,000 hourly jobs in North America within five years, according to a published report Wednesday.
The Detroit News, quoting people familiar with the plan, said the deep cuts will be presented to the Ford board of directors for consideration Wednesday. It will not be revealed to the public until Jan. 23, according to the paper.
The cuts are much deeper than earlier reports, which initially had Ford closing as few as three assembly plants and cutting only about 7,000 positions.
Ford spokesman Oscar Suris would only tell the paper, "Our work continues. These plans will be final when they're ready to be shared publicly."
The paper said that the shakeups at Ford will include the departure of as many as seven top executives in the coming weeks.
Ford had 87,000 UAW-represented workers in North America at the end of 2004, along with about 11,600 union workers in Canada, according to the paper.
The depth of the cuts would be comparable to the plans announced at General Motors two weeks ago to close a dozen North American facilities and eliminate about 30,000 hourly jobs.
Sources familiar with Ford's strategy told the paper the decision about which plants to close has not been finalized, adding that Ford may only announce a few specific plant closures in January. UAW Vice President Gerald Bantom told the paper that the details of Ford's restructuring plan will be released Jan. 23, but said the union does not know the extent of Ford's planned cuts.
"We're hoping that nothing happens," said Bantom, who heads the UAW's Ford bargaining unit. "But we know that's not going to happen."
Over the past year, Ford's pretax profits in North America have fallen from almost $1.8 billion in the first nine months of 2004 to a loss of nearly $2.2 billion for the same period in 2005.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Ford Motor Co. plans to close at least 10 plants and cut 25,000 to 30,000 hourly jobs in North America within five years, according to a published report Wednesday.
The Detroit News, quoting people familiar with the plan, said the deep cuts will be presented to the Ford board of directors for consideration Wednesday. It will not be revealed to the public until Jan. 23, according to the paper.
The cuts are much deeper than earlier reports, which initially had Ford closing as few as three assembly plants and cutting only about 7,000 positions.
Ford spokesman Oscar Suris would only tell the paper, "Our work continues. These plans will be final when they're ready to be shared publicly."
The paper said that the shakeups at Ford will include the departure of as many as seven top executives in the coming weeks.
Ford had 87,000 UAW-represented workers in North America at the end of 2004, along with about 11,600 union workers in Canada, according to the paper.
The depth of the cuts would be comparable to the plans announced at General Motors two weeks ago to close a dozen North American facilities and eliminate about 30,000 hourly jobs.
Sources familiar with Ford's strategy told the paper the decision about which plants to close has not been finalized, adding that Ford may only announce a few specific plant closures in January. UAW Vice President Gerald Bantom told the paper that the details of Ford's restructuring plan will be released Jan. 23, but said the union does not know the extent of Ford's planned cuts.
"We're hoping that nothing happens," said Bantom, who heads the UAW's Ford bargaining unit. "But we know that's not going to happen."
Over the past year, Ford's pretax profits in North America have fallen from almost $1.8 billion in the first nine months of 2004 to a loss of nearly $2.2 billion for the same period in 2005.
With Japanese and euro bubble and weak economy, I believe this is just an equilibrium and not import dominate domestics.
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
It is just temporary setback due to war and current economical situation. American automobile still have very strong base. Afterall, import learned from them initially.
With Japanese and euro bubble and weak economy, I believe this is just an equilibrium and not import dominate domestics.
With Japanese and euro bubble and weak economy, I believe this is just an equilibrium and not import dominate domestics.
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Rep Power: 336 this has been discussed before. but yes domestics suck. they suck gas they suck at quality, and they suck at prices. anyway, id pick my civic over a ford even if they gave me the ford for free. chrysler sucks and the only reason they live is cause of mercedes. think about it, chrysler rebadges the 300c and calls it a charger. how gay is that? ford is taking the 6 platform from mazda and turning it into the "fusion" which is a fusion of crap. GM is spread too think for its own good. GMC is the same as chevy trucks but more expensive. its retarded. im done now
its not the cars that are the problem. the uaw is the problem. My grandpa built fords for 40 years and hated the uaw every day of it. The UAW has a strangle hold on the company. Did you know if they lay off employees they must pay 80% of their wages until the next contract is signed which is 5 years away. They cant fire employees for simply being slow and dumb. My grandpa was there when affirmative action came in to law blacks could just stop working causing the whites to carry their weight. You couldnt fire anyone because between affirmative action and the unions a workers productivity could be at 20% and they wouldnt be fired. Personally build the f-150 in mexico and it would be built with hire quality at a lower price. them mexicans love their lobos.
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Personally build the f-150 in mexico and it would be built with hire quality at a lower price. them mexicans love their lobos.
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Rep Power: 262 ^^ I agree...I lived in Indiana for a little while where factories and car production are big business...at least for daimler chrysler. It was insane how the UAW rose to some sort of Cult like status....I understand what their goal was / is, better wages, and working conditions for their employees, but i think in the long run they have really fvcked themselves out of job security.
I also heard about some guy who had "lost his job" 5 times or more for not showing up and still got his job back because he would go complain to the UAW steward.... This may sound bad but I don't think its right when someone is making 30 - 60 bucks an hour with no college education( yes i am making generalizations) and goes to work late and reads the paper for 2 hours then works for 4 and goes home early...seems like greed to me, I know this doesn't apply to all the workers, but I met many of them and they had an attitude like, "i can't lose my job,i'd love to see them try..." The same people got laid off from several factories and now are having to re-locate across the country to find comparable work. Okay i'm done now
I also heard about some guy who had "lost his job" 5 times or more for not showing up and still got his job back because he would go complain to the UAW steward.... This may sound bad but I don't think its right when someone is making 30 - 60 bucks an hour with no college education( yes i am making generalizations) and goes to work late and reads the paper for 2 hours then works for 4 and goes home early...seems like greed to me, I know this doesn't apply to all the workers, but I met many of them and they had an attitude like, "i can't lose my job,i'd love to see them try..." The same people got laid off from several factories and now are having to re-locate across the country to find comparable work. Okay i'm done now
all unions want good things for their workers. the trade is high wages and job security for a high quality work force. however the problem lays with employees soon realizing once the fear of being fired is gone they stop acting like a high quality work force.
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Rep Power: 328 Well Ford is the largest investor of Mazda stock...that's 33% of Mazda stock. Now Mazda operates independently of Ford, as does Mazda Japanese Stock, but Ford throws alot of money at Mazda for development purposes...
This is why the new RX-7 that's been ready for release for over a year now won't be coming out. It's really too bad, given all the rumors of how it was going to be the next Japanese supercar...
So, you see, it really has become a world market. One market hurts and it affects the other. Look how our market was affected when Japanese stock crashed. This is bad news for everyone, including the Japanese and the Europeans.
This is why the new RX-7 that's been ready for release for over a year now won't be coming out. It's really too bad, given all the rumors of how it was going to be the next Japanese supercar...
So, you see, it really has become a world market. One market hurts and it affects the other. Look how our market was affected when Japanese stock crashed. This is bad news for everyone, including the Japanese and the Europeans.
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Rep Power: 0 That article failed to mention that one of the biggest reasons that Ford and GM are getting jobs, yes they have lost revenue, but its that workers keep demanding more health benifits, and with the high rising costs, they cant supplement all of their workers. The unions keep demanding more and to keep up, this is what they must do. For years, they have known that they have to many workers, it is just now that they are doing anything about it. And they are not dying and they will never die, they are to vital to your countries economy and will be bailed out by the government if need be
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Originally Posted by MajinB
thats the sad part right there. your right. mexicans can build "domestics" better than the domestic company. its ridiculous
If you can keep them working at your plant. I have a friend that is high up in Goodyear and said that they built a couple plants in Mexico, trained the people to work there. Then Firestone opens a plant and offer $0.05 an hour, and all their employees went there, never even asked goodyear for a raise, just up and left. Then they had to rehire a new force, and one of the MOST expensive things to do for a company is train the empoyees. He said they lost so much on training, they closed the plant and moved back to the US.
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And they are not dying and they will never die, they are to vital to your countries economy and will be bailed out by the government if need be
You said it. The government has so many contracts with Ford and GM that if they did happen to file chapter 11, or anything like that, the government would be right there to help them out, garunteed. Government vehicles will not be of a foreign brand. GM makes up a HUGE part of our economy, as does Ford. Its all about union issues here. A lot of my family works at New Process Gear (makes transfer cases for chrysler, GM, BMW, etc) and its just sick how much money they make and how little they work. Its stupid. I hate unions.
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and will be bailed out by the government if need be
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Well Ford is the largest investor of Mazda stock...that's 33% of Mazda stock. Now Mazda operates independently of Ford, as does Mazda Japanese Stock, but Ford throws alot of money at Mazda for development purposes...
This is why the new RX-7 that's been ready for release for over a year now won't be coming out. It's really too bad, given all the rumors of how it was going to be the next Japanese supercar...
So, you see, it really has become a world market. One market hurts and it affects the other. Look how our market was affected when Japanese stock crashed. This is bad news for everyone, including the Japanese and the Europeans.
This is why the new RX-7 that's been ready for release for over a year now won't be coming out. It's really too bad, given all the rumors of how it was going to be the next Japanese supercar...
So, you see, it really has become a world market. One market hurts and it affects the other. Look how our market was affected when Japanese stock crashed. This is bad news for everyone, including the Japanese and the Europeans.
Those are good points too
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I will never ever buy a fvucking domestic car, I would how ever buy a domestic truck like a silverado Yukon Tahoe .
Imagine people are still buying ford focus'es
I just dont understand it at all
I will never ever buy a fvucking domestic car, I would how ever buy a domestic truck like a silverado Yukon Tahoe .
Imagine people are still buying ford focus'es
I just dont understand it at all
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Rep Power: 0 its amazing that unions get away with all the crap they have. most of these people are lucky even to have those jobs nowadays.
alot of the problems ford and GM are having are because of all the retirees with pensions. back in the 1950's and 60's most people only lived into their 60's so giving people a pension to live out their last 5-10 years was OK to GM and Ford. but now people live into their 80's and these companies now have to pay them out for 20+ years of retirement, and that get really expensive. thats why most jobs these days dont have pensions.
it also why import companies are doing so well. since most of them have only been building in america for the last 10-15 years. they dont have to pay out huge amounts of money into retirement plans as of yet. wait another 30-40 years and if honda, hyundai, and toyota all keep plants in america they will all have problems with paying old employees their pensions.
alot of the problems ford and GM are having are because of all the retirees with pensions. back in the 1950's and 60's most people only lived into their 60's so giving people a pension to live out their last 5-10 years was OK to GM and Ford. but now people live into their 80's and these companies now have to pay them out for 20+ years of retirement, and that get really expensive. thats why most jobs these days dont have pensions.
it also why import companies are doing so well. since most of them have only been building in america for the last 10-15 years. they dont have to pay out huge amounts of money into retirement plans as of yet. wait another 30-40 years and if honda, hyundai, and toyota all keep plants in america they will all have problems with paying old employees their pensions.
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it also why import companies are doing so well. since most of them have only been building in america for the last 10-15 years. they dont have to pay out huge amounts of money into retirement plans as of yet. wait another 30-40 years and if honda, hyundai, and toyota all keep plants in america they will all have problems with paying old employees their pensions.
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
That's so true, the government will put tariffs on imports or give tax brakes for buying domestic cars.
its not like they aren't gettin ripped off. they are in the long run.all i know is if i had a choice between a domestic and a kia, unless it was a corvette, i would pick the kia. or a hyundai since its the same company. cause i know those will last longer than domestics.
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its amazing that unions get away with all the crap they have. most of these people are lucky even to have those jobs nowadays.
alot of the problems ford and GM are having are because of all the retirees with pensions. back in the 1950's and 60's most people only lived into their 60's so giving people a pension to live out their last 5-10 years was OK to GM and Ford. but now people live into their 80's and these companies now have to pay them out for 20+ years of retirement, and that get really expensive. thats why most jobs these days dont have pensions.
it also why import companies are doing so well. since most of them have only been building in america for the last 10-15 years. they dont have to pay out huge amounts of money into retirement plans as of yet. wait another 30-40 years and if honda, hyundai, and toyota all keep plants in america they will all have problems with paying old employees their pensions.
alot of the problems ford and GM are having are because of all the retirees with pensions. back in the 1950's and 60's most people only lived into their 60's so giving people a pension to live out their last 5-10 years was OK to GM and Ford. but now people live into their 80's and these companies now have to pay them out for 20+ years of retirement, and that get really expensive. thats why most jobs these days dont have pensions.
it also why import companies are doing so well. since most of them have only been building in america for the last 10-15 years. they dont have to pay out huge amounts of money into retirement plans as of yet. wait another 30-40 years and if honda, hyundai, and toyota all keep plants in america they will all have problems with paying old employees their pensions.
My grandpa did his job then. He worked at ford to the age of 65 and died at 69 like a real man. As much as I love my civic I will own a F-150 again once I get married and no longer live 75 miles from my girlfriend. We all have done custom work to our civics. With out doing custom work to a Toyota or Honda they are just boring cars that last forever and keep their value. I had my F-150 for 18 months and didn't do one bit custom work or put on any kind of aftermarket parts on the car. It never broke down and it never dented after a leaf fell on it. The one paint chip it did have I could see that the paint was twice as thick as the paint on my civic. I had twice the pride and love for that truck than I will ever have for a civic. Domestic cars do have something that imports in the same price range don't personality. However all domestics should be about 5k less than they are. 401ks would drop the price of fords and chevys by about that amount.
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Nick, Im glad theres a fellow domestic guy on here. Hopefully theres more! The reason domestics are losing market share is not becuase of quality issues it is because of their costs as stated.
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Nick, Im glad theres a fellow domestic guy on here. Hopefully theres more! The reason domestics are losing market share is not becuase of quality issues it is because of their costs as stated.
I drive an F150... I think that truck a blast to drive. The civic has the appeal of being able to whip around a corner and is just funner to drive in that aspect. Honestly I can say each one has an appeal, and it is different for each one. Also, no one should make fun of someone just because they drive a truck or import until they drive one for a while and understand the personality behind each.
