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HAHAHA Thats the funniest thing I heard all day, lol

 
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It's ALL about quality.

 
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I think you mean chrysler. This is what happens when your only selling strategy is cutting costs to sell vehicles. Ford has closed 2 plants which each had 15,000 employees. Ford has just sold Hertz for 7,5 billion as a desperation to get money. All Big 3 are doing horrible with the exception of chrysler which is doing OK in comparison to imports. When your cars have 120 days of sitting on the lot compared to imports that stay 20-30 days and industry started is 60 days maybe thats where they're problem is.

along with about 11,600 union workers in Canada, according to the paper. (I'm almost positive thats wrong) and canada has it's own union for canadian ford workers. They have 3 plants in ontario alone that have 20,000 unionized employees.

Ford let alone can't even afford to budget most of jaguars new line let alone their own main eco line. The new XK is gonna destroy theyre budget more and more. The fact that they dumped most of their research into hyrdrogen instead of hybrid was a bit of a waste but big gain potential. You win some you lose some I guess.

But as the someone said a lil while back they're government funded and they'll never see real bankruptcy.

 
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Well, that isn't their fault really. The problem is that hybrid technology is mostly dominated by Japan, and they have most of the patents already. So GM, Ford, Chrysler would end up paying Toyota to make these things, so they wanted the next big thing, they though hydrogen but they are dumping to much into it like you said.

 
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Just watch over time more and more companies will face similar problems that gm, ford and delphi are facing right now. People live long thus requiring more payments from pensions. This is screwing companies that have been in business close to or past 40 years. you got the problem that while a company current day knows how problematic pensions can be, and overtime the median life expectancy will go up, they will end up paying more, but what can they do, if they dont offere pensions, say bye bye to workers who will find work else where. I believe this month we will find out more about what will happen when congress passes new bills regarding these policies.

 
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I think people are just going to have to become more self suffecient on their own saving and stop realying on the government and employers to plan for them. Americans need to learn how to save... again. My great grandmother grew up during the depression, and she never bought outragous things, dies a millioniar. On the other hand, she could have done far more living with that money, so I guess some where you need to draw a line....

 
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yea, that why business are progressing to hybrid pensions, with half pension, half 401k, and possibly other hybrids where workers can invest on their own. Just bush is pushing that businesses pay what they said they will pay. He is going to cause a **** load of problems and more companies will fall because bush is a dumb ****

 
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most of Chryslers cars come from mitsubishi. I had a friend with a dodge avenger and every part on that car had a mitsubishi sticker on it except for the dodge emblem. A big part of Chrysler is imported. Maybe that has something to do with how they are doing better than gm of ford.

 
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See, that is very interesting. Because Mitsu is not doing well in Japan, they are in the same boat (or close to it) as GM is in the US. And we'll see how that partnership goes now that Chrysler sold their shares of Mitsu.

Now if you look at Ford and Mazda (even before Ford owned 1/3 of Mazda) they have worked together (see Ford probe and Mazda MX-6 and a few other cars and so has GM and Honda (see Saturn Vue, it has Honda's V6 in it)

So the interesting thing is that when an American company goes with a good Japan car manufacture, the American company suffers. But if the Japanese company suffers, the US company does good... Go figures

 
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i believe chrysler sold its share of mitsu

 
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<monsterous bug from family guy voice> Good... Good. </monsterous bug from family guy voice>

 
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yes cause mitsu sucks more *** than corporate idiots. it was the money pit of doom for chrysler. literally.

 
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did you guys know that GM is on track to sell more car overseas then any other car maker?

 
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That doesn't surprise me, they are everywhere. The thing the US is the main car market for the world. Europe is probably number 2, and over there most people only buy one new car in their life and keep it for 20-25 years. SO you can see the car market around the rest of the world is quite small compared to here in the US where people are buying new cars every few years.

 
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wow! such an argument!

I am sorry, but Taiwan, HonKong, Janpan, China and south Korea combined market would be way way way larger than whole north america market. Do you have any idea about the population in asia?

Even only 1/100th of them has car it would still be way larger than north america market. Dont need to mention the fact that in place Japan, Taiwan and HK nearly everyone has a car and number of sale already probably exceed US.

Euro market is even smaller. Forget it.

Toyota is now has the most worldwide sale, because in asia no one whants American cars and Toyota unfortunatly hold the asian market.

It is about time to see outside the Us and understand the world.

 
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Well it is true that the USA is the largest market because cars get liquidated here faster than in any other country, but there is some truth to your argument. The sleeping giant china is going to slowly destroy the US market because of its sheer population and the industrializing and modernizing of the Chinese economy. They are going to start consuming faster than any other country and will be a more viable trade partner for other foreign markets...we're going to start seeing most of our trade partners start favoring China...this is something that alot of analysts are arguing about right now...you can read about it in business mags...

 
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So I take it you have been to Taiwan right? My current boss is from Taiwan, goes there every 6 months. Yes, I know of their market, but I also know what kind of cars they drive, how often they drive and how often they buy new cars. True most of them have cars, but the common person does not go buy a new car every 5 years in ANY of those places. The life of a car in Taiwan is about 20 years. HK does a have quite a few rich people (I believe it is the richest city in the world now), but I don't think a single city is going to compare to N. America. You can also note that the type of car being sold in this area is far smaller, hence less profit, do you really think Ford or whoever makes as much when one guy in HK buy's a tiny little festiva looking thing versus the American that shells out 30-40k for their new Exploder or F150?

And please, if 1/100 people in china owned a car they would have to have 100 story parking garages. And again the cars will be smaller, less profitable. Maybe you have never seen China, but the guy next to me is form China and has shown me what their streets look like. The government is not promoting personal transportation because they can not build the roads needed for this. He said that even if he could afford a car back in China, he would not get one because they are worthless, you'll spend 3-4 hours to get someplace that you can get to in 30 minutes on the subway system. The streets are horrible and always at a stand still because nobody follows traffic laws and the streets are already way to small. The government has no intention of making the streets better either.

Basically the government is going to have to dump quite a bit of money in to the highway system that there is no room for before everyone can get a car that they do not have room to store. You may not realize this, but most of China lives within 100 miles of the coastline because the inner parts of China are inhabitable, so imagine the US only living on the east coast and having about 4 times the population, not much room. And since everything is within walking distance, and the subway system can take you almost anywhere in the inhabited country, what good is a car?

Another point is that China hates Japan, to the point that they will not buy a Japanese car. I know about 25 people from China, 1 guy owns a ’87 Civic that he bought for $200 to learn to drive on before he gets a better car. They want Euro cars, but they are generally too much and they all end up buying American cars. Why? Because they just hate Japan that much. Some of them actually give me dirty looks for having a new civic. Chinese are cheap, but they will never give in and buy Japan cars, even when it clearly makes better finical sense, not that most of them will be buying cars in China.

 
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Ona different note, I don't think the Asia market is going to be a problem, simply because most of the people that are going to get a car, have a car, and China is not going to grow that much more. But what about India? They hold about 1/4 of the worlds population, 1.3 billion, and they do not have the room problem Asian has. Their only problem is getting a better government, and as the US increases manufacturing over there, they are getting richer and the government is becoming stronger. I think they are the ones we need to watch.

 
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Thats very interesting info, and I had no idea about the China / Japan deal that they really dont care for one another.

 
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It stems from WWII. Japan had control over China and basically used China as a testing grounds. Japan would wipe out small cities and town with viruses just to study the virus and how it killed people. They used Chinese to test nuclear radition and to see how much pain a human could take before dieing. Basically they where really nasty towards the Chinese. Even today the two nations do not get along, infact most China's exports/imports go through the upper part of the country and are shipped down through the country as opposed to even entering Japanese waters with their shipping boats.

I'm not saying all Japanese are bad or anything, but they have an extremely aggressive nature, which is why they are where they are now in the world.

 
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Don't forget that the Chinese are still bitter over "The Rape of Nanking" where the japanese slaughtered over 30,000 chinese men, women and children, most of which were not fighting the Japanese.

Also, on someone elses comment of how the Chinese don't want American cars. Right now the leading car manufacturer in China is GM, followed by Volkswagen. Ironically, Buick, a car most American's loath, is considered the most prestigious car in China thanks to marketing the brand long before any other luxuary brand entered the country.

I don't have any specific articles to cite, but most of my knowledge comes from what I have read on the carconnection.com,Edmunds.com inside line and autoweek.com websites. All of which are reputable websites so if you don't believe me search their archives.

 
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Enough said.

You made a wrong assumption and now it is funny.

I am originated from Taiwan. My parents are ACTUALLY doing business between Taiwan-China-Korea-Japan-HK and they live there!

And yeah, I have seen Taiwan, hahaha, I lived there for about 15 years and my parents spent maybe 45 years working around in those region.

Stop assuming that in some rich place like HK that people have never seen ferrarri. You are the one who never go there, because you are a coyboy who never look beyond USA.

I can tell you, with exception of China who is still communist and growing, the rest of the asian places I mentioned are packed with new cars. Also, by the way, they don't change car every 10 years like you think.

Please explain how Toyota becomes largest car manufacturer and has most of worldwide sales now? Either you have to say it dominated in the US market or it dominated the asian market. For the sake of american dignity, I would say they beat GM only because they do better in asia. Unless you still want to assume american market is the largest then you are equally saying Toyota dominates US market and you admit that domestic is dieing.

 
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Yet your point was that when China starts buying cars, they will make America look like nothing?

Taiwan's population 22,894,384 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...lation&spell=1

HK population 6,898,686
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search

Japan populatio 127,417,244
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search

US population 295,734,134
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...on&btnG=Search

I may be a dum cowboy, but I can tell the US has almost twice the population of those 3 countries/cities. And I know not every one in Japan has a car, so don't feed that BS to me. HK and Taiwan just don't have the population to buy the number of car bought here in the US. Even if Japan did have the room to have cars like the US does, that means the number of people buying new cars in those areas is 2:1 compared to the US, so is this what you are claiming then? I know they are growing and all, but come on

"Around five million vehicles were sold in China last year, compared to 17 million in the United States." http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_499411.htm
Taiwan car sales = 422,254 http://www.segmenty.com/Taiwan.htm
Japan sales = 5.9 million http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...NVM&refer=asia
HK sales = 31,035 http://www.segmenty.com/HongKong.htm

Summary:
US = 17,000,000
Taiwan = 422,000
Japan = 5,900,000
China = 5,000,000
HK = 31,000

Now bare with this dum cowboy, but if I add up Taiwan, Japan, China, and HK, I get something around 11,000,000..... I know cowboy's aren't good at math (says the engineer ) but last time I checked 17,000,000 is larger than 11,000,000.



"Toyota's sales in the United States, Japan and Europe have been rising and will grow steadily," said Atsushi Kawai, a Tokyo analyst. "They are also selling more units in emerging markets."

Toyota's main market is the US, go figure --->
http://www.dailyherald.com/jump/auto...c1_ash_02_.pdf

Yes Toyota is dominating the US market right now.... no big surprise there. Lets think about that for a second though, they can sell a better car cheaper, why? Because how many people do you know that have retired from Toyota? Not many. But I know quite few people who have retired from Ford, GM and Dodge, I'm betting that the big 3 have FAR higher pensions than the Japan companies, hence they HAVE to sell their cars for more money. Wait about 20 years and you'll see the same happen to the Japanese companies, and if the US companies are still around, they will be on more fair playing field.

Now, you are putting words into my mouth, I said HK is one of the richest cities in the world, and you for some reason think that I believe they don't have Ferrarri's. That's just stupid and you are resorting to putting words in my mouth that I never said

 
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and they will once again hire a bunch of mexicans. Legal illegal immigrants courtesy of Bush.

 
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interesting how you say legal illegal immigrants but the anecdote you qouted is only talking about mexicans that work in mexico, therefore not immigrants.

 
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I must give you a for the little research.

But I think we are trying to find out IF TOYOTA DOMINTAES N.America market or Asian market. Don't we?

The main probablm with your numbers is that you missed to specify which brand of automobile is sold.

please refer to this:

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/pdf/toyot...2005/chap1.pdf

This is a Toyota worldwide sale report. You need to add japanese and asia number, the total represents asian market.

asian market is larger than North american market.

 
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I got in this late, but the original post was about FORD so how does that make GM suck? I would agree the Chrysler does suck, but I have to disagree when it comes to GM. Also the fact that GMC is a more expensive version of Chevy.....then what the hell is ACURA????

I love my honda but after driving all the different GMs....I fell in love with some of them.....especially the C6 which is 400hp for $45g's or 505hp for $65g's. People forgot about the corvette for a while...but its an amazing car now.

Ok im done, just had to get my opinion in on the subject...sry if some of this has been covered....to lazy to read thro the LONG as posts.

 
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um... ACURA has different motors and suspension and badging and everything else you can think of than HONDA. its the luxury version of honda.
honda is the "economy" section. acura is the "luxury" version. acura uses the bigger and better motors in its cars. they are different. GMC uses the same damn car just with different badges and more expensive price. thats the difference.

 
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If youre looking at the GMC Yukon / Chevy Tahoe, GMC Sierra / Chevy Silverado, the prices are within like $1000 of one another. The differences come in the Envoy (Trailblazer), Denali (Tahoe), etc. GMC puts a lot more luxury into them than the Chevy part does. Likewise with Cadillac. They still sell a ton of everything. GMC alone sells almost as many pickups as Dodge does, and way more than Toyota and Nissan combined. Im sure someone will go on both the sites and price them both out just to be a ***** and come to find out its $2000 difference, but save it. If youre spending over $30k anyway, whats another grand?

I too think that Acura is really just a rebadged Honda, but thats my opinion.

 
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Dam, I was looking for that and couldn't find it in the time I spent. Anyway, let's look at these numbers. IF you combine those with the number I posted earlier (and I'm just figuring in my head, so these are estimates), a few more cars are sold in Asia than N. America. Then looking at my numbers of over all cars sold around the world, I would say an Asian in general is about 1.5 times more likely to buy a Toyota, so yeah it seems that Toyota is more popular in Asia.

But if you look at the total number of cars sold in China (yeah I'm bring that up agian), almost 5,000,000 of Asia's auto sales are in China and only about 750,000 are sold in the "rest" of Asia, that's around 7%. While in Japan (about 5,000,000 cars are sold) and about 1,700,000 of them are Toyota, that's around 30%. So my point is Japan is main source of sales for Toyota in Asia.

So for this statement:
I say this, you are right that Toyota is dominating the Asia market more than the US market. But I am right that the N. American market is larger the Asia market. So we each have one right and one wrong