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i think the civic power-wise is unsafe for roadways now. too many other fast cars and its very difficult to flow if you're flooring it and nothing happens especially on the freeway.

 
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its a love hate relationship for me. but my civic seems to look better and better every day......u'll learn to appreciate it as time goes by.

cheers!!

 
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Hear, hear!

 
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Man i realy want to thank you for the very subjective reply! , It seems that somehow you realy came up with the whole idea of my stated problem

Till now and after using some other cars/suvs , I've noticed the difference in the high/low RPMS on each car , especially at my other car VW Passat 1.8 turbo which is a monster in accelaration with low RPMS even though it's fatness and i'm not comparing it to the sweat civic..

What's bothering me is the fact i realy used 4-5000 up the hills and the car didn't accelarte enough , it keep howling and crying while these cars where almost silent and keep kicking :/

I don't know much in how to keep maintaining piston velocity in high RPMS's , Or maybe i just suck with this terms :/

Again , I realy appriciate your explaination and it somehow blows me some miths about my car which i have for almost 3 years :O

 
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Where can i get this chip via worldwide?

 
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yeah, the low end torque is nice and quite, while the higher RPM of the civic (or rather Honda motors in general) sounds bad to some people, but it's just the nature of the beast and there really isn't anything we can do about it

Well, you don't have to worry about piston velocity, all you need to remember is that your car (or rather most Hondas) are built to handle higher RPM's than most cars.

keep in mind the Mazda 3 and focus are probably using the same basic engine, the Mazda probably uses slightly different heads to breath a little better, and comparing the climbing abilty of any diesel to a comparable sized gas engine is not fair, deisel is just a more powerful fuel. I don't know the exact specs on these cars, but I am guessing they all put more torque down than the civic, and when you are climbing that is important.

In short, if you are really interested in clmbing, take a look at the torque specs of each of these cars, you'll see the civic is lacking. Remeber it takes torque and hp to turn the tire.

Going a little more with the numbers; if you stay above 5252RPMs this is the majic number where hp becomes more important the torque for Hondas... kind of If we look at this eqution, HP = Torque * RPM/5,252 you can see at 5252 RPMs, horsepower = torque. Above this 5,252 RPM, horse power will be greater than torque, so without having to look at a dyno on your car, I can tell (becuase I've had WAY to many Honda's ) that you really need to stay about the "magic number" of 5252 RPMs while these guys are making a ton of torque below hand.

In other words, they're car is going to reach peak power (Power is HP*Torque=power in watts or Newtons) at a lower RPM because the have more torque to compinsate for the lack of HP. While your Honda will make it's best power at higher RPM's where it has HP to replace the lack torque.

It's complicated, but the point is to climb a hill in a car that has a lack of torque (as most Honda's do) you really need to get on the motor, and while it may sound bad having a car "screeming" at high RPM's, it isn't that bad if the car engineered to, like a Honda.

The next question is probably why did Honda od this? There are two reason, first is the low piston vrlocity at average cruising RPM's gives very good gas milage. The second reason is that when you are on a track, it is more desirable to have a car that has high RPM power than low torque power. For the most part, when on a track, you want to keep the shifting to a min because shifting waste valuable time. So having a car that has lagre power band is in vaualbe. And you can also control where in the power band you are and exactly how much power you are putting down, all of this is why Honda's often dominate their classes on the track.

 
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He's saying buy a new engine. You can get them shipped from Japan rather cheaply. I personaly would not go for a d17 if you are going to swap motors. to Impress your friends, get a 1.5L 3 phase VTEC engine. They do not have them here in the US, but in Japan and some parts of Europe they are aviable. They have around 150 hp, get around 40 miles per gallon (17 km/liter or 5.88 liters per 100 km) and have better lowend torque. The down side is that I don't know how to install these, and since most people that swap engines are in Japan or the US, there probably is not much info on this. It really depends on how Honda made the motor mounts in your car.

 
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So did you mean to title this thread..

1)Why do Civics suck so much?

or

2)Why does the Civic suck so much?

 
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If you can get the enigne code from your engine, like B16A2 or something like that I maybe able to help you find a chip for your car. Here in the US we don't have that engine, but they may have it in Japan, and I know a couple of export/import place in Japan that can may be able to get you a decent chip. But the engine code is a must.

 
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This is why I accept my civic as a show car nothing else. Unless I get a K20 with a turbo... but funds are low. All show no go. Oh well.

 
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Don't know how someone can say anything with less then 200hp is fast.Peppy yes, not Fast

 
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you all dissapoint me. just because your car comes with 127 hp doesnt mean it cant be fast. every get in a race where you do more than drive in a straight line? if you havent, then you should try it. em2's weight about 2400lbs. strip the trunk, add carbon fiber, lighter wheels, and a lighter exhaust and you've got yourself a pretty light car. now get some ***** and sling yourself around a corner.

 
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He doesn't have the d17. he's got a 1.6L with 105 hp, different country different engine.

 
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I know you are from israel or somethin and sure the engine specs are all different... but i tool my friends 3... i pwn ford fucus's and as for a bora... idk... but what I am suggesting is that you may not be the best driver out there.. and thats why you're gettin crappy specs.
Also
If you want a fast civic, invest in a new engine (an no, not the d17a2) I'm talking k20a2 (acura rsx-s)... none of those cars will ef with you, but if they do, you'll own em. Now, turbo that k20 and you'll be perfect... sure im talkin a good 10+ grand.. but if you want a fast civic... thats what you need to do.

And whoever it was that said Mazda 3's are fast....
..... enough said

 
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My guess here is that the code is D16-something...
Don't quote me on this, but 7th gen Civics (Si not included) all came with a D-series engine.

 
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yes 100 percent true when i was looking for a car i didn't want it black and i didn't want a civic and look i got a black civic GO FIGURE but i love my car so much its my one and only love and all my friends know it. especially cause i plan on putting 2500 bucks into this wednesday I CANT WAIT

 
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I have 5000 miles on mine. Its not even 2 months old.

 
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ok welcome to the site. i have family in Isreal. second, civics don't suck, they are great. just realize that it won't break like the focus or 3. and if you can scrap the money, and i know how hard that is, and get a swap.

 
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If you or anyone else want to make your civic fast I highly recomend getting
Konig heluim 15" rims, they are 10.5lbs ea, make a big improvment over 17'd or the stock steels. The ITG air filter i have proven to make 3 more HP over a K&N filter. swap out your exhaust for a rsx exhaust.

Dont worry I can back this up after I hit the track soon

 
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yeah its the engine the US civic uses. I meant it as a half joke cuz those engines are so cheap and slow too.

I would do a k20a swap.

 
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My baby has close to 34,000 miles... it was delivered on June 12th, 2004, and was parked for exactly two and a half months this summer... go figure.
And by the way, I'm not using it like I'm supposed to this semester. I'm driving it less.

 
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Yeah, I'm guessing D16, but there is a special code for for the three phase VTEC versus the dual phase VTEC (like the one in the US) and yet a different code for the nonVTEC. I don't know which he has.

 
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Aren't those th rims that got recalled because they where to weak and fell appart on the road? not sure, but I think that was the helium.

 
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Many thanks for all the replies guys especially Jrfish007 , You guys seems to realy love civics it's realy great to see that!

IceVic05 , Please take notice these comparation weren't taken on smooth road as some other already noticed and see Jrfish007's explanation of the low torque.

I've asked a Mod "expert" company in my country for an chip for my honda and they said it will cost about 850 USD for additional 20+- HPS.. , I think it's preety expensive :/ , however must remember hondas are on the top of expensive japanese cars on israel as my car worth bout 14,500 USD which is almost a price of new civic on other countries i assume.

My engine is 1.6ES VTEC dunno more details , How can i check the engine code? i realy don't know much on mechanics and i use to take care of the car on official garages when i need service.

About taking the K20 engine replecment , I think it's too far drom reality and gonna be realy hard to afford/get and take care of on here

 
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I dunno man but it's realy scary as the car realy don't seem to flow over 5k RSP , It's not that its stimulated after reaching this point of magic :/ , Well i won't forgive the engine next time and well see the results

 
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imo, it needs to be forced inuducted.

 
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Yes this is true, as i have just experienced this my trip to MD back to NJ tonite. Having to plan to pass or merge sucks, no matter how much i row out the 5speed. I just wish the car had a litter more pep but you got to love the 400 miles i get on highway trips

 
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Chip that will increase 20hp? Thats a scam I never heard of a chip that increases hp by 20 n every1 will tell u the same.

 
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got mine december 25th 2004... and i have 14000 miles on mine... im a junior in hs and my school is 25 miles away from my house... so i love the vic for the mileage... yet... im buying a jeep wrangler this summer

 
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850 USD is a bit pricy, I would say anything more than $200 or maybe $300 if it say a genuin Mugen or Spoon, but I'm cheap. Anyway 20 hp is possible if this the engine I'm thinking of, but I'm not sure.

The engine code should be stamped on the block somewhere, generally under the heads and above the manifolds on the front of the engine. The easier way might be to look up the specs on the internet. I'm trying to look for the specs on a simliar car, but my spanish is not that good and it seems to aviable in latin America.

Anyway, yeah your car probably doesn't like the real high RPMs mostly because almost all Honda's have breathing problems. If you want a little more kick at high RPM's, get a cold air intake (CAI). You can look around this site for which ones people like the best. Stay away from short ram intakes because they suck hot air in and really don't help much, even though they are cheaper. For your engine, I would look to get stuff directly from Japan, I've ordered parts from here http://www.j-garage.com/ with good luck. They seem to be very knowledgeable, although their English is a bit broken, and they have a good selection of parts. But they will need to know what kind of engine you have, maybe they know what a 1.6ES VTEC is already, and that's all they need. But you can go to this mod shop you spoke of and ask them how much an intake costs and compare that to a couple of Japan shops. Then of course their is always Ebay, they work quite nicely, but you must make sure you are getting a name brand, there is alot of crap on Ebay that can hurt your car.

Intakes are faily simple to put on, if you have a screw driver and ratchet set, you can probably do it yourself.