S2000 with a weak clutch?
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S2000 with a weak clutch?
Cruising the IS300 forums I saw a thread about the S2k.... seems its a car a lot of poeple like on there but there were some doubts. I figure I post that the car can pull of high 13s stock so the 4 banger and the torque mean nothing and yada yada.
Someone quotes me saying:
http://www.is300.net/forums/showpost...6&postcount=10
Is this true? Just curious.
Someone quotes me saying:
Originally Posted by HustleLikeM0FO
A stock S2k still can pull off high 13s in the 1/4 mile......
However, its not my style of car.
However, its not my style of car.
Originally Posted by Wisky
Stock S2Ks can run those times ONLY when launched at 8000RPM and driven to redline in every gear. The stock clutch can only do this about 5 times before it will break from the abuse.
http://www.is300.net/forums/showpost...6&postcount=10
Is this true? Just curious.
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I dont know... I do know that typtronic on the M3 and new M5 only allows 12 electronic launches and than you can no longer launch the car.
I know that doesnt help, but that really doesnt seem right btw s2000's run mid to high 13's when speedshifted.
Speedshifting is hard on any clutch period. I believe that guy saying you can launch it at 8k is bs...
I know that doesnt help, but that really doesnt seem right btw s2000's run mid to high 13's when speedshifted.
Speedshifting is hard on any clutch period. I believe that guy saying you can launch it at 8k is bs...
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s2000 has a weak differential therefore you wouldnt be able to "launch" well without first reinforcing etc.
the clutch is fine, as good as any other car..
u can drop it at 8k it will hurt it.. but its better to dump at 8k then feather...
life isnt all about 1/4 mile.. its about handing..
with my civic the way it was.. i could rip this set4 in my enighborhood a new as.shole on the twisties, KILL HIM but when it came down to 0-60 he killed me..
accel is overrated, judge a nice car on handing..and watch the s2000 KILL the is300 stock/vs stock
s2000 has a weak differential therefore you wouldnt be able to "launch" well without first reinforcing etc.
the clutch is fine, as good as any other car..
u can drop it at 8k it will hurt it.. but its better to dump at 8k then feather...
life isnt all about 1/4 mile.. its about handing..
with my civic the way it was.. i could rip this set4 in my enighborhood a new as.shole on the twisties, KILL HIM but when it came down to 0-60 he killed me..
accel is overrated, judge a nice car on handing..and watch the s2000 KILL the is300 stock/vs stock
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-my worst time EVER was a 14.3 and that was with a missed 1-2 shift.
-the weak spot on the S2000 drivetrain is the clutch. this is a GOOD thing. that means that if you screw up, you'll likely burn up clutch rather than destroy your drivetrain or differential.
-8000rpm would be too high an rpm at almost any moment for an S2000 to launch at. i've launched as low as 4000 and as high as 6500. my first 13.7 was run on a 4500rpm clutch dump.
-the car can handle the clutch dumps no problem, IF they are done right. believe it or not, if you launch too low, and bog way down, this kind of strain puts far more stress on the drivetrain than a properly done 6000rpm launch.
-both my S2000's had WELL OVER 1000 launches and clutch dumps on the stock drivetrain/tranny/diff/clutch. and i never had a damn problem. Sometimes I'd even do 30+ launches in a single day. in fact, most good drivers in S2000's who are breaking 13's, have never had any drivetrain/clutch/diff issues.
-that said, the car is not problem free. yes the diff has a weakness, but more often the clutch will go first. also, many people who have broken diffs are modified, most often with FI such as a supercharger or turbo. people tend to count those diff breaks/failures in with the "weak" S2000 diff.
-my worst time EVER was a 14.3 and that was with a missed 1-2 shift.
-the weak spot on the S2000 drivetrain is the clutch. this is a GOOD thing. that means that if you screw up, you'll likely burn up clutch rather than destroy your drivetrain or differential.
-8000rpm would be too high an rpm at almost any moment for an S2000 to launch at. i've launched as low as 4000 and as high as 6500. my first 13.7 was run on a 4500rpm clutch dump.
-the car can handle the clutch dumps no problem, IF they are done right. believe it or not, if you launch too low, and bog way down, this kind of strain puts far more stress on the drivetrain than a properly done 6000rpm launch.
-both my S2000's had WELL OVER 1000 launches and clutch dumps on the stock drivetrain/tranny/diff/clutch. and i never had a damn problem. Sometimes I'd even do 30+ launches in a single day. in fact, most good drivers in S2000's who are breaking 13's, have never had any drivetrain/clutch/diff issues.
-that said, the car is not problem free. yes the diff has a weakness, but more often the clutch will go first. also, many people who have broken diffs are modified, most often with FI such as a supercharger or turbo. people tend to count those diff breaks/failures in with the "weak" S2000 diff.
Yeah only 4 launches and it breaks, sounds like honda to me.
What is he talking about only thirty launches with tiptronic, i know what that is just what does he mean, i have never hear anything like this???
What is he talking about only thirty launches with tiptronic, i know what that is just what does he mean, i have never hear anything like this???
s2ks are not meant for drag racing, but that does not mean they would not be able to sustain the abuse, they were not designed to be SC or turboes, and they seem to do well with either. 350-400hp daily driver on stock internals, 450= with upgraded head gasket, and clutch of course. People drag and auto cross civics all day long and they usually do not break, and they were not designed for this, i think it is Honda quality.
Originally Posted by jackburton
s2ks are not meant for drag racing, but that does not mean they would not be able to sustain the abuse, they were not designed to be SC or turboes, and they seem to do well with either. 350-400hp daily driver on stock internals, 450= with upgraded head gasket, and clutch of course. People drag and auto cross civics all day long and they usually do not break, and they were not designed for this, i think it is Honda quality.
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Originally Posted by usafstud
S2k's Aren't Meant For Drag Racing
Originally Posted by S2000man01
correction. their forte is not drag racing. while it's prowess is handling, the fact that it can bang out 13's is just the icing on the cake.
I thought s2k's get low 14's
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Originally Posted by xX03EXx
Anyone can drive in a straight line 
your statement is as valid as saying "anyone can drive a road course".
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Originally Posted by usafstud
btw, what you got to run 13's??
I thought s2k's get low 14's
I thought s2k's get low 14's
low 14's are for average/poor drivers.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
really? can you drive a 15.8 in your stock civic?
anyone can drive a straight line, or a road course. but not everyone can drive it equally.
anyone can drive a straight line, or a road course. but not everyone can drive it equally.
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Originally Posted by usafstud
i got a 15.9xx my first time doing the 1/4 mile. WOW, 15 sec car is slow
YES!!! it has to do with quality parts, and mechanic/engineer, but it does start with the car does'nt it, i mean you say quality parts but, the car is the biggest part. If you were to try and get 400 hp out of other 2.4 engines you would have to do internal work, of course there are other QUALITY cars out there. You would also want to pick quality internals, i would not want to forget that and buy some shitty ones. Great you have friend who works for Cosworth, what do want a golf clap?
It is like S2000 man said, the fact that the S2000 can be a drag car or rather is already pretty fast in a strait line is icing on the cake. Also this is dumb, what car is really designed to be a drag car for 30,000, the stang, camaro, Srts???? actually what car was promoted as being designed for drag racing??? I am confused how this all got started, bottom line there are not many cars with as much quality as the S2000 for 30,000, but that is JMO. You gotta know when hold em... know when to fold em, know when to ....walk away....
It is like S2000 man said, the fact that the S2000 can be a drag car or rather is already pretty fast in a strait line is icing on the cake. Also this is dumb, what car is really designed to be a drag car for 30,000, the stang, camaro, Srts???? actually what car was promoted as being designed for drag racing??? I am confused how this all got started, bottom line there are not many cars with as much quality as the S2000 for 30,000, but that is JMO. You gotta know when hold em... know when to fold em, know when to ....walk away....
Last edited by jackburton; Jul 17, 2005 at 02:18 AM.
Do not start with the god damn stock 1/4 mile times, it ranges from like 15.3-17 sec. i mean really, just leave it alone, do a search and read, but please donnot make this into another proof war.
Originally Posted by Hawaiian_Built
i wanna know what kind of car you have STOCK that you ran a 15.99999 even a low 16 is hard....
home made intake(cosworth friend), home made test pipe(cosworth friend), full suspension at road race pressure and kumho MX tires
i got one or 15.9's and many low 16's. time got higher as i did more runs(about 10, free)
Originally Posted by jackburton
YES!!! it has to do with quality parts, and mechanic/engineer, but it does start with the car does'nt it, i mean you say quality parts but, the car is the biggest part. If you were to try and get 400 hp out of other 2.4 engines you would have to do internal work, of course there are other QUALITY cars out there. You would also want to pick quality internals, i would not want to forget that and buy some shitty ones. Great you have friend who works for Cosworth, what do want a golf clap?
It is like S2000 man said, the fact that the S2000 can be a drag car or rather is already pretty fast in a strait line is icing on the cake. Also this is dumb, what car is really designed to be a drag car for 30,000, the stang, camaro, Srts???? actually what car was promoted as being designed for drag racing??? I am confused how this all got started, bottom line there are not many cars with as much quality as the S2000 for 30,000, but that is JMO. You gotta know when hold em... know when to fold em, know when to ....walk away....
It is like S2000 man said, the fact that the S2000 can be a drag car or rather is already pretty fast in a strait line is icing on the cake. Also this is dumb, what car is really designed to be a drag car for 30,000, the stang, camaro, Srts???? actually what car was promoted as being designed for drag racing??? I am confused how this all got started, bottom line there are not many cars with as much quality as the S2000 for 30,000, but that is JMO. You gotta know when hold em... know when to fold em, know when to ....walk away....
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Originally Posted by usafstud
I think your confused and your confusion is starting to confuse me
he is confusing.......
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Its just what you said, it does not make a good point, i will from now on refer to u as sub human, or make that Sub-HUMAN. If you look at my post, i think you will see a developed logical outlay of human intelligence intergrating a conclusion, that is why i will refer to myself as SUPER-Human from this point on.
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Last edited by jackburton; Jul 17, 2005 at 02:53 AM.
Originally Posted by jackburton
Its just what you said, does not make a good point, i will from now on refer to u as sub human, or make that Sub-HUMAN. If you look at my post, i think you will see a developed logical outlay of human intelligence intergrating a conclusion, that is why i will refer to myself as SUPER-Human from this point on.
Yes, now lets get back on topic, oh yeah, i cannot remember it. I will do my part by never coming back to this thread. 
NOW
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