The Quality of Honda?
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Originally Posted by AzNTiG3R
Not basing this entirely on a personal experience. Do the research. Look at all the other complaints u see bout these cars on this site. Not trying to be a hater of honda, I still love the cars, just saying the quality is going down.
And yeah, Honda may have sold almost a million civics since 01, so what does that prove? NOTHING, esp. not the quality of them.
And yeah, Honda may have sold almost a million civics since 01, so what does that prove? NOTHING, esp. not the quality of them.
not to mention we have how many members here vs 1 million 7th gen civics out there? it's a reliable car with far fewer problems per vehicle than most out there.
the point of me mentioning honda has sold 1 million of them was not to "prove" they are reliable because of good sales. my POINT is that this website and your experiences are nowhere NEAR enough for you to make a judgement on the quality of the civic.
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Originally Posted by cambo
Lets say a car company sells 100 cars and gets 40 complaints...then Honda sells 1000 cars and gets 80 complaints...who's ratio is better? Honda is.
Thats what s2000man01 is trying to point out i think. Total vehicles sold compared to total number of complaints is still a valid arguement.
Thats what s2000man01 is trying to point out i think. Total vehicles sold compared to total number of complaints is still a valid arguement.
^^ completely agree with you bro... its true that people don't talk about the good things. And yes, toyota and honda have much better reliability than everyone else.
However, at the same time you don't hear problems of ratting noises and things coming apart from the older gen of civics. I say this because i use to own a '99 civic which never gave me the problems that the 7thgen does. Also, you'd hardly hear about stuff like this happening from other owners on the forum i use to be at. I haven't heard half as many complaints about older gen civics compared to 7th gen civics, but thats just from personal experience.
The bottom line is that car manufacturers have started using cheaper materials and machines that work much faster to assemble cars inorder to increase efficiency.
However, at the same time you don't hear problems of ratting noises and things coming apart from the older gen of civics. I say this because i use to own a '99 civic which never gave me the problems that the 7thgen does. Also, you'd hardly hear about stuff like this happening from other owners on the forum i use to be at. I haven't heard half as many complaints about older gen civics compared to 7th gen civics, but thats just from personal experience.
The bottom line is that car manufacturers have started using cheaper materials and machines that work much faster to assemble cars inorder to increase efficiency.
Just to add, i've read several times in local newspapers that japanese cars dominate quality rankings, specially toyota motor crop. Even when you do a quick search online you find the same thing most of the time...
http://www.usedcarcritic.com/reliability.php
http://www.andongkim.com/articles/20...powers2005.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/a...ility/?cnn=yes http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...y-report_x.htm http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...tos-198392.htm
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...29/192347.html
http://www.usedcarcritic.com/reliability.php
http://www.andongkim.com/articles/20...powers2005.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/a...ility/?cnn=yes http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...y-report_x.htm http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...tos-198392.htm
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...29/192347.html
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I think its all auto manufacturers though... they're using cheap materials to inrcrease profits, atleast for the low end cars.
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Originally Posted by cambo
if anyone was to be called a stupid hater, it'd be you.
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Rep Power: 0 I think that the quality of our Civics aren't that bad. I know someone that has an 04 Cavalier and the materials used inside look cheap and the cloth on the seats feel rough. At the same price for my VP my Civic actually looks and feels decent. And for the price of the cars I think the quality is better than some expensiver cars out there. Oh yeah someone mentioned that the msrp of a Civic hasn't changed much. But you have to take into consideration that these are economy cars and that they aren't suppose to cost a fortune. On top of that when I bought my Civic the dealer wouldn't budge on the price while GM gives like $3-4,000 cashbacks.
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the quality is still there it always has been and always will be. thats what makes honda honda.
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I think that the quality of our Civics aren't that bad. I know someone that has an 04 Cavalier and the materials used inside look cheap and the cloth on the seats feel rough. At the same price for my VP my Civic actually looks and feels decent. And for the price of the cars I think the quality is better than some expensiver cars out there. Oh yeah someone mentioned that the msrp of a Civic hasn't changed much. But you have to take into consideration that these are economy cars and that they aren't suppose to cost a fortune. On top of that when I bought my Civic the dealer wouldn't budge on the price while GM gives like $3-4,000 cashbacks.
And if you can't get a dealer to budge on a price, then u just suck at car buying. I got almost 3k off my car when I bought it.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
i am not a stupid hater. i just don't believe that hyundai is on the same level of quality as honda. and it was a good time to make a joke. i don't hate. except on ford. and kia, and hyundai. thats about it. so yeah i guess i hate. but i know i'm not stupid.
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Originally Posted by AzNTiG3R
Ur comparing fruits and vegetables. Of course hyundai/kia/etc. aren't at the same level as honda. And next time u decide to make a joke, make sure it's good??
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Rep Power: 336 hey if they are diffent like fruits and veggies why is cambo here saying they are the same quality of the fake honda thread? make up your mind. if you know they are lower quality, why argue it? the joke is supposed to be ironic. i like dry humor. oh well.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
The bottom line is that car manufacturers have started using cheaper materials and machines that work much faster to assemble cars inorder to increase efficiency.
DAMN there really must be stupid people who just can't read.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
hey if they are diffent like fruits and veggies why is cambo here saying they are the same quality of the fake honda thread? make up your mind. if you know they are lower quality, why argue it? the joke is supposed to be ironic. i like dry humor. oh well.
This is what cambo said in your "fake honda" thread. To me, it doesn't seem like he's saying they're the same quality. And yeah, I have made up my mind, I never contradict myself. And I argue cuz people like you tend me make up some BS and THINK they know shiet. And guess what? THE JOKE SUCKED! U like dry humor....I DON"T GIVE A DAMN!
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And if you can't get a dealer to budge on a price, then u just suck at car buying. I got almost 3k off my car when I bought it.
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Rep Power: 400 azntiger, you're new, so i'll cut ya a break. people will respond much better to your advice and listen much better to your side of a debate if you do it without calling people stupid, moron, and idiot. not to mention name calling is childish and unecessary to contribute to a topic like this.
so everyone chill with the insults.
so everyone chill with the insults.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
I thought that maybe i wasn't maintaining my car properly but damn i got the same problems!!! My gf has an 03 corolla S and its so freakin' solid, feels better than the civic! But she complains too about how her older corolla felt more solid.
I think its all auto manufacturers though... they're using cheap materials to inrcrease profits, atleast for the low end cars.
I think its all auto manufacturers though... they're using cheap materials to inrcrease profits, atleast for the low end cars.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
azntiger, you're new, so i'll cut ya a break. people will respond much better to your advice and listen much better to your side of a debate if you do it without calling people stupid, moron, and idiot. not to mention name calling is childish and unecessary to contribute to a topic like this.
so everyone chill with the insults.
so everyone chill with the insults.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
azntiger, you're new, so i'll cut ya a break. people will respond much better to your advice and listen much better to your side of a debate if you do it without calling people stupid, moron, and idiot. not to mention name calling is childish and unecessary to contribute to a topic like this.
so everyone chill with the insults.
so everyone chill with the insults.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
thank you. i don't go callin people names. back to the point, i don't think the quality has gone down. the engine is better, because it makes more hp, with better gas mileage than the previous civic gens. and i know they didn't always have side air bags in a civic, the wheels didn't used to be 15 inches. my dads 95 civic has 13s. the quality of the civic has not gone down. its gone up. if you disagree then go buy a hyundai scince there quality has gone up so much. i'm not saying the quality is bad, its just no match for a civic.
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Rep Power: 297 afterall, there is no specific report from professional car reviewer mentioning anything about Honda car quality going down. In fact, recent rating on Honda is all A to A+ with exception of the RL, due to its lack of V8 at its class and price.
I noticed a lot of pros for Hyundai, but it is base on its cheap price. That is, the car is nice only with its cheap price. There will be a whole a lot competition and more strict judgement once the car moves upscale.
I noticed a lot of pros for Hyundai, but it is base on its cheap price. That is, the car is nice only with its cheap price. There will be a whole a lot competition and more strict judgement once the car moves upscale.
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