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this thread is a repost # 500

 
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Seriously, u people get all mad at me like i hate s2000's or think they are slow or a crappy car, ive got like 3 bad rep's from this 1 thread. Im just playing devil's advocate here cause it seems like no one else will. I hate dodge, i hate all domestics, but an SRT-4 is a hell of a Bang for the buck, and yes IN THE LONG RUN AN s2000 might be cheaper, but then again, IF u do get into an accident the s2000 will cost probably double to fix than fixing an SRT-4. I quoted a magazine because everyone else was throwing around claims without backing them up, if u have a 14.0 second timeslip with a 2.24 60', ya i bet u can run 13.8's. Thats if ur S2000 is even stock, i have yet to see it tho. i have seen a SRT-4 with a boost controller running 13.5's all day on street tires. Given that the engine and everything is BONE STOCK, and its a 4 door. Thats impressive, and u gotta give props where they are due, whether Ford Chev Toyota HOnda or even Dodge does it, it is a nice feat to make a fast car that is on a budget. If honda would pull its head out of its *** and build something like that for the same price it would be an amazing car no doubt, but honda has YET to impress me with anything in stock form ( NSX isnt considered). The Integra type R was the best allround car built IMHO, then the S2000, but for the $$$ they damn well better be. Just thank god honda engineer's are so smart they make 90% of things compatable and make stuff like swap's and interchangable parts happen.

I just think people on this board need to get off their high civic horse, and give a hand to a company that can produce a low buck, high powered car.

 
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Again, some people find that bang for the buck is something other than the straight line. Interior, reliability, looks, handling, gas mileage, etc.

 
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IMO i think the SRT-4 has a nice interior, questionable reliaility tho since its dodge, i like the looks. Handling is decent, not as good as it could be but thats easy to deal with. and gas milage is good considering its a 2.4L Turbo.

I Loved the bucket seats, and interior layout when i sat in my friends. SCC i believe got .86G's.. not great but not shabby, i think they put coils on and new tires and got .95 ( I might be wrong this is off the top of my head so dont hold me to it). And personally i havent heard anything wrong with the reliability yet, and my friends had his for 2 years.

 
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IMO, it's one of the better built cars engine-wise. My friend has one, and their is wind noise at 50mph, one of the seat brackets broke somehow, there are little creaks and **** in the car which the dealer can't pinpoint, and the interior pisses me off. The seats are pretty nice though.

 
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post edited by S2000man01:


cliff notes of what this guy said:

"i'm a troll and want to come live under your porch"

 
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Oh God someone ban this kid. We need intelligent debates, not some Dodge Fanboi

 
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I don't understand, it's like everybody jumps on the "srt4 sucks" bandwagon. Alot of forums diss the srt4 for fun, but granted they respect what it is and what dodge did. I would expect this type of hate from Evo's, STi's, WRX's... but they respect the car and what dodge did to the base neon.

The interior might not be the greatest, but neither is any car under 20k (yes, the includes your civic's, lancer's, focus's, corolla's, sentra's etc.) You, don't drive a luxary car so to complain about another car's interior and than hop in your own, who has the last laugh? Everything is plastic, some air vents, a few A/C *****, a speedo and some uncomfortable weak *** stock seats.

What do you expect a 230hp turbo FWD car to handle like? On rails? Of course it's not gonna handle great, nothing a set of coilovers and a drop can't fix. With 250lbs of torque at the 2 front wheels, if you looking for a "handler", you looked in the wrong direction. For 22k, it's the best bang for the buck tuner car. When the ACR version drop I can only imagine what people will think of to say now.

 
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Dude! u obviously havent sat in a SRT-4, they are SO cumfy and SO well proportioned, i loved them. I liked them better than my old Sparco Speed, and my friends Momo. The interior might be plastic, but it's funtional and the boost gauge location is sexy. if people say the seats suck, i dunno what planet u are from.

They also had the smartness to make 2 styles of seats, 1 highback bucket that is super narrow for people like me. ( im 160lbs and 5'1") i could maybe move 2 inches either direction, very nice seat. Then they made a lowback seat, for the more casual driver, a lot more play in the seat, but still very supportive and good in turns. BOTH feel better than RSX seats.

 
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Just because you haven't seen an S2000 run 13's doesn't mean it can't do it. There's almost 50,000 S2000's in existence, and I'm willing to bet you've seen less than 1% of them actually run.

 
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eeewww
american made

should of went import

 
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Dodge didnt even get a base neon they had to get a different motor for the neon to even do this project. So its fast but its a neon thats the thing. I have always hated neons they look like ufos or something. If they had gotten something else and made it haul *** i would stick with them but a dam neon come on. thats why i hate the srt 4 because its a neon with a body kit hood and big wing that hauls *** thats cheap price wise and built cheap.You pay for what you get!

 
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^^^ than you must/should hate the:

EvoRS
WRX
Cobalt SS

 
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feel free to post a video or a timeslip, or even tell me of a time u have seen a BONE STOCK S2000 run13.7's tho, im not saying it hasnt been done, but i sure havent seen it.

 
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Still a Neon.

 
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"srt4" and "reliable" don't belong in the same sentence.

 
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Really, you pay for what you get.

When the price is good for the HP it means something else is down-graded. I believe in the case of SRT-4, they really didn't spend any more energy and time in the R&D. First of all, they never rethink a new esthetic design, and usually the esthetic design is the most costly during devlopment stage, due to chassis and components fitment.

In term of reliability, it would just be as "reliable" as the old Neon, in addition, now you might have new problem related to turbo in general.

 
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lol I ran one myself.

60' was 2.06

and I had a 13.7 @ 101

again, there's almost 50,000 S2000's. and you are trying to say you don't believe it just because YOU never saw it? I'll bet you've never even seen 50 S2000's run, much less 50,000. come on man get real.

I'm amazed there's even a debate about this. If you don't believe me, go search on s2ki.com or ask them the fastest 1/4 mile stock. also, motortrend ran a 13.8.

 
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not necessarily...hes saying he doesn't like the neon itself...what if he likes the lancer, impreza, and cobalt, and just doesn't like the neon?

 
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Thank u, i never knew an S2000 broke into 13's in stock form. As i said in my previous posts this is just wat i have seen. Now ive been proven wrong. Thats all any1 had to say, but no one did till now.

I still think SRT-4 is a good deal anyway u look at it. I do question the reliability, but if it is decently reliable, then its a hell of a good deal.

 
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A lot of you talk about how "unreliable" the SRT4 is. Can you back this claim? Do you have personal experience? or Are you just generalizing?


From my observational experience at the drag track, I've never even seen 1 SRT broken down or towed away. Everytime I go to the track there are AT LEAST 20 SRT4s there, most of them are modded and seem to be driven hard.

 
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I have personal experience. A guy at the last show I was at said he got it a week ago and did a little racing. Well the car had to get towed back to the dealer for a complete engine rebuild. It blew up basically. Thats how reliable they are. At least warranty covers it tho, but meanwhile no car to drive.

 
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well, one factor was that the srt4 was taken off the neon platform in the early 90s. and we all should know by now that the dodge neon from the early 90 til late 90 was not a succesful outcome. so dodge took the neon platform and decide to "upgrade" it. the first year srt4 in production was in 2003 i believe? maybe give it another year or 2 before any "unreliable" issues come upon. til then, the "neon" in general isnt reliable and the srt4 IS a neon.

 
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There are almost 100,000 SRT4's that have been produced.

You want to base your entire probability of reliability on 20 or even 40 of those 100,000? And even then you have only seen them at the track, so you have no idea if they had any problems or issues AWAY from the track?

do you see where I'm going with this? personal experience counts for nothing when determining the probability of a car's overall reliability.

though I have not seen any reliability figures, I can only hope they are better than the non-srt4 neons. however, for the price you're paying for it's straight line speed, you should expect a sacrifice elsewhere such as reliability.

 
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They seem to be driving home alright! lol.

anyways.

I didn't say SRT4s are reliable or not. I just wanted to see where you guys get this info because from what I've seen, they are nice little cars. I can't really bash until I've heard/seen otherwise.

I see exactly where you are going with it though. But I'm just saying I really haven't seen many reliability issues with the SRT4 ( or maybe I haven't looked hard enough). And for the ones that I have seen, they seem to be running well given the fact they a lot of them are modded and raced frequently.

I know that powertrain, doesn't entirely cover "reliability", but it certainly plays a big role. So of course, suspension, body parts, and interior parts account for the "reliability" and maybe those are the areas where some of you guys are pointing to with the reliability issue.

 
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Basically any car that u start racing with a few weeks after will blow up, cause the seals/rings arent properly seated. The guy is a complete MORON for doing this, and shows nothing towards the reliablilty. U must give a brand new engine, or rebuilt about 5000 KM's or so before its fully broken in.

But yes, i do agree down the road i bet they will become problematic, but i havent seen much yet as they are still to new for major malfunctions.

 
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Your gonna base it off of your some guys story? Engine just blew up?
Its a dealership, if the engine "blew up" they would replace it not rebuild it. To much time involved with building and engine. The guy sounds like a complete idiot if you ask me.

 
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I LOVE THAT QUOTE!

And you drive a car thats.. Still a Civic? I fail to see logic, in that quote. A Civic Si is still a Civic afterall?


The motor they use is essentially the same engine that is in a normal neon. The block is a bit longer to allow for the extra .4 liters of displacement. The head is the same, and will bolt onto any neon 95-05.. The 2.4L engine that they use has been in the Stratus / Breeze / Sebring since 95. They put it in the PT cruiser, and turbo charged it for the PT Cruiser GT. Now that engine has become the SRT-4 engine. It has different internals that are built stronger, and a stock engine can easily handle 450 HP (clutch, and tranny too!)

They could have easily used the 2.0 DOHC engine and turboed it. But come on.. wouldn't you rather have the 2.4L engine? They were already there and working well.


Sounds like an idiot. Anyone can blowup an engine.. give me a brand new Civic, and I will destroy the engine driving out of the dealership.


Nope.. Neon got a new platform in 2000. It is also the platform for the PT cruiser, and maybe a few others cars now. It was much more refined, and better done.

I'm not saying it might not be unreliable.. because with all of those kids driving them the way they do. They will break down.. but that will happen to ANY car. And any car can last for a long long time.. if it is taken car of (and that doesn't mean replacing headgaskets, timing belts, and other things every other week).

 
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^your avatar/sig is crazy. reminds me of those dell commericals with the blue men haha.

 
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They are known as the Blue Man Group, and they are huge: http://www.blueman.com/ .. (And it was Intel they do commercials for, from time to time)