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Old Jun 5, 2005
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Downshift 5th to 2nd?

Just curious what would happen?
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try and see what happens..

i have an auto, so i wouldn't know
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a friend of mine showed me how the rev limiter works, on his old 95 hatch..

kinda funny cause his dad is a mechanic, and he works on motorcycles and stuff, he said "it's a honda, it can take it"
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what do u mean what would happen.. your rpm's would shoot way up depending on how fast u were going and if u are over 60 mph u have a good chance of blowing your motor
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hahahahaa...I did that before but I was red lining 3rd and thought i put it in 4th but it went into 2nd instead...hahaha...it bounced off the rev limiter for about 3secs
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haha, I do that once in a while, but mainly b/c the engine is going at around 1600RPM/40MPH when I'm in a bit of traffic; then traffic clears up. It's actually kind of fun if you can match rev and just take off.
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under about 40mph nothing, over that and you get to see the inside of your motor on the highway.
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^^^^ I once did it at 60MPH (to try to explain gearing and manual tranny to a friend), I was still fine.... RPMs were just below redline.
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Originally Posted by 2k1civic01
hahahahaa...I did that before but I was red lining 3rd and thought i put it in 4th but it went into 2nd instead...hahaha...it bounced off the rev limiter for about 3secs
exact same situation as mine, but in my case i burnt the first o2 sensor
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um theres no problem in doing that if your in the right mph, if your over then you have a problem.
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went from 3rd to 2nd at around 55-60(usually I can hold 2nd till about 60) when I was about to race a TC last week. Bounced off the rev limiter and quickly shifted back to third. Everything seems to be alright.
Pissed me off though. Since I was right around 60 I guess it wasn't too bad, thanks to the rev limiter.
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Here's the problem.

If you're OVER 60mph, like racing.... lets say redlining 3rd gear and shifting to 4th, but instead you accidentally shift to 2nd? It causes what's called a mechanical overrev.

No amount of rev limiter in the world will prevent this. You mechanically force the engine to overrev way beyond redline, and you can kiss your valvetrain and engine goodbye. Several THOUSAND dollars at LEAST to repair. It's a very VERY expensive mistake. And no.... it's not covered by warranty. And YES, the ECU/PCM in the civic WILL record a mechanical overrev so the dealership will know you've done it.
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Over at Bimmerforums we call that the "money shift". No need to explain the "money" part.

I've heard of this happening quite frequently; redline 3rd, shift to 4th.....BAM and you accidentally shift into 2nd. Not a pretty sight.

So you say, oh no worries the rev-limiter will catch it. Wrong. If you are going to fast for the gear you shifted in, your motor will still spin waaaay higher than it supposed to be.

One method to prevent this is to back hand the 3rd--4th shift, or the down shift from 5th--4th.



edit: S2000man01 beat me to it!
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hmm..backhanding it eh? never thot about that i think im gonna do that from now on
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
Here's the problem.

If you're OVER 60mph, like racing.... lets say redlining 3rd gear and shifting to 4th, but instead you accidentally shift to 2nd? It causes what's called a mechanical overrev.

No amount of rev limiter in the world will prevent this. You mechanically force the engine to overrev way beyond redline, and you can kiss your valvetrain and engine goodbye. Several THOUSAND dollars at LEAST to repair. It's a very VERY expensive mistake. And no.... it's not covered by warranty. And YES, the ECU/PCM in the civic WILL record a mechanical overrev so the dealership will know you've done it.

it seems kinda hard to miss 4th coming from 3rd, but i guess if you just plain sucked at driving a manual it could happen.
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probably not much of a help because all the pics are down but I Read about this a few years ago

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-16883.html

read the discriptions of the picture and it should get you an idea

heres a video I think its from 4-3 but you can hear it misshift

http://rsx.clubrsx.com/videos/RSX-S_misshift.mpeg

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Few years ago, I had a friend with a 92 teg gsr...he was on some open road in texas doing over 110 in fifth...went to downshift to pass another car (why he would need more power at that point to pass her I have no idea, but whatever) and he missed fourth and hit second...he blew his engine, his car broke loose, flipped over the k-2 median, over the opposing three lanes (he's lucky it was around three am and there was no traffic) and flipped and rolled 500 feet into the field nearby. His right arm and his brother's (passenger) left arm both went up through the sunroof and were crushed...my buddy's is still paralyzed and his brother got his thumb severed off...they found it 65 feet away and had to reattach it....among other injuries...anyways....you have fun with the downshifting and let us know how it goes.
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Originally Posted by R3DL1N3
it seems kinda hard to miss 4th coming from 3rd, but i guess if you just plain sucked at driving a manual it could happen.
you'd be amazed how often it happens on s2ki with the S2000. as fantastic as the gearbox is, it makes it too easy for not-so-skilled drivers to throw it into 2nd instead of 4th since the gates are so close to each other.
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oh dear God.... just thinking how fast the engine wuold be spinning (if it were possible) at 110 in 2nd gear. yikes!
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
Here's the problem.

If you're OVER 60mph, like racing.... lets say redlining 3rd gear and shifting to 4th, but instead you accidentally shift to 2nd? It causes what's called a mechanical overrev.

No amount of rev limiter in the world will prevent this. You mechanically force the engine to overrev way beyond redline, and you can kiss your valvetrain and engine goodbye. Several THOUSAND dollars at LEAST to repair. It's a very VERY expensive mistake. And no.... it's not covered by warranty. And YES, the ECU/PCM in the civic WILL record a mechanical overrev so the dealership will know you've done it.
Yea, you can kiss those parts goodbye if you let it go and don't quickly pop it out. I did this to my car... hit about 8500 rpms, then popped it out... Blew the header/downpipe gasket into peices...
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you could probably see some stuff poking out of your engine and through your hood
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Did it on my boys 04 SI..Blew his motor right away...
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Well our cars will do 50 in second gear, so if your doing under 50 in fifth and shift, nothing should happen.
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You guys may want to read this to understand proper shift leaver usage...

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving...shifting.shtml
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i down shifted from 6th to 3rd, nothing happened, just rpms climbed and i took off..

be careful, make sure your foot is always on the clutch..lol
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I want my next car to be a manual, but this thread has got me spooked. Is it really that easy to F'up? Keep in mind, I've never driven a manual.
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Did it on my boys 04 SI..Blew his motor right away...
you destroyed your friends motor??
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Originally Posted by JP375
I want my next car to be a manual, but this thread has got me spooked. Is it really that easy to F'up? Keep in mind, I've never driven a manual.
no. it's people who drive like a tool and dont know what they're doing that do such a thing.
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Wow, u must really suck at driving if u do that. Ive missed upshifting b4, but that just bounces off the revlimiter, nothing major, but downshifting, even if ur double clutching/matching rev's, u really shouldnt be doing it if u dont know ur RPM's...

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Originally Posted by Mike4831
Well our cars will do 50 in second gear, so if your doing under 50 in fifth and shift, nothing should happen.
dx/lx/vp manual trannies can do about 65ish in second
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