S2000 run on wake the dragon tour (video)
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Originally Posted by s2000man01
This weekend was our Wake the Dragon tour in Alcoa, TN. We had 117 S2000's and had one hell of a time. For those that don't know, the tail of the dragon is an 11 mile stretch of US 129 in the mountains of Tenessee. There are 318 turns in this 11 mile stretch and it ends at Deal's Gap in North Carolina.
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I'm only 5'5". my girlfriend if 5'6". 
oh and this stretch of road is located on the tennessee/north carolina border. the actual road is in tennesse and the very last .5 miles of the 11 mile road is in the north carolina side. it's in the smoky mountains.
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Looks pretty high above sea level too eh?
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
This weekend was our Wake the Dragon tour in Alcoa, TN. We had 117 S2000's and had one hell of a time. For those that don't know, the tail of the dragon is an 11 mile stretch of US 129 in the mountains of Tenessee. There are 318 turns in this 11 mile stretch and it ends at Deal's Gap in North Carolina.
The entire run takes about 18 minutes or so, depending on your speed.
This is only about 7 minutes of the video, since the whole thing is too big for me to upload to we-todd-did-racing.com.
The best part of this video, me and the S2k in front of me had an EVO behind us at the beginning of the run. By this point (half way through) he had fallen back and could not keep up.
The Dragon is extremely curvy, and having power isn't going to do much for you. These curves require handling, finesse, and the fine cutting ability of a car and driver to handle the quickest of paces.
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I have tons more video I will eventually share, and my girlfriend took over 500 pictures, and i'll post a few once I can. (she's a professional photographer)
The entire run takes about 18 minutes or so, depending on your speed.
This is only about 7 minutes of the video, since the whole thing is too big for me to upload to we-todd-did-racing.com.
The best part of this video, me and the S2k in front of me had an EVO behind us at the beginning of the run. By this point (half way through) he had fallen back and could not keep up.
The Dragon is extremely curvy, and having power isn't going to do much for you. These curves require handling, finesse, and the fine cutting ability of a car and driver to handle the quickest of paces. right click, save as
I have tons more video I will eventually share, and my girlfriend took over 500 pictures, and i'll post a few once I can. (she's a professional photographer)
not to bash u or anything... but given that the evo is awd... it does fine on the twisties.. its the noobie driver that doesn't know his car.. thats why u guys ate him
and that road is a 2 lane road... how he suppose to pass u when there are twisties??
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Rep Power: 400 no one should pass anyone on this road. my point was that slowly we ate him and he couldn't keep up. why? well, we can argue the merits of whether he should be able to hang or not, but i'd be willing to bet that given equal drivers, the S2000 would slowly pull away during the course of the dragon. it's nothing but turns. the power either car has is negligible, as the car that can brake later, accelerate sooner from the apex, and take the turn at a higher speed is going to win. chances are that will be the S2k. it's lighter, and probably handles better from what i've seen.
we had 2 owners there who formerly were EVO drivers and also auto-x heavily in SCCA. now they aren't the end all opinion, but for it's worth, they agreed that the EVO would be outhandled on a road such as this. It's just too much of turn after turn, and they mentioned suspension load. Something to the effect that the S2k carries less unsprung force in its suspension when going from a left turn immediately to a right. something to that effect. he also mentioned on a course like this that the ADC hurts the car's ability to corner.
but whatever. as I said, power means nothing here. it's all handling. not that the EVO can't handle well, but I think the S2k does so just a little better. it will be interesting to see how the S2k does against the EVO and STi in A-stock this year.
we had 2 owners there who formerly were EVO drivers and also auto-x heavily in SCCA. now they aren't the end all opinion, but for it's worth, they agreed that the EVO would be outhandled on a road such as this. It's just too much of turn after turn, and they mentioned suspension load. Something to the effect that the S2k carries less unsprung force in its suspension when going from a left turn immediately to a right. something to that effect. he also mentioned on a course like this that the ADC hurts the car's ability to corner.
but whatever. as I said, power means nothing here. it's all handling. not that the EVO can't handle well, but I think the S2k does so just a little better. it will be interesting to see how the S2k does against the EVO and STi in A-stock this year.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
The best part of this video, me and the S2k in front of me had an EVO behind us at the beginning of the run. By this point (half way through) he had fallen back and could not keep up.
The Dragon is extremely curvy, and having power isn't going to do much for you. These curves require handling, finesse, and the fine cutting ability of a car and driver to handle the quickest of paces. The EVO must have been a shitty driver. I know the S2000 is sickness on curvy roads but an EVO is a race inspired rally car, so he must have been a bad driver.
yea evo mustve definately been a terrible driver or just didnt want to push himself that much. AWD is far better than RWD in cornering, and yes theres alot more things to take into account other than drivetrain but given the numbers and whatnot id say evo would do better than an s2k on a twisty road especially in wet conditions, i dunno how you kept grip on the road lol good job!
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Originally Posted by Echelon04
The EVO must have been a shitty driver. I know the S2000 is sickness on curvy roads but an EVO is a race inspired rally car, so he must have been a bad driver.
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yea evo mustve definately been a terrible driver or just didnt want to push himself that much. AWD is far better than RWD in cornering, and yes theres alot more things to take into account other than drivetrain but given the numbers and whatnot id say evo would do better than an s2k on a twisty road especially in wet conditions, i dunno how you kept grip on the road lol good job!
and AWD is not necessarily better than RWD. the only advantage AWD has is if the back end steps out, AWD won't lose as much time correcting since all tires are driving.
do you guys even realize that an EVO and STi are basically RWD cars except power gets spread out when the back tires lose traction? when an EVO is cornering, etc, and NOT losing any traction, it's 80% to the rear and 20% to the front, if memory serves me correctly. i believe they can change that ratio (the EVO) but i dont remember.
regardless, as I said, there's not much fact we can go off of. regardless of it's AWD, it's heavier and the ADC hurts the cornering performance. If the S2k can corner faster, apex sooner, and brake later, the S2k would win in this scenario IMO.
AWD does not necessarily handle better in corners than RWD. as i said, for the most part it helps when traction is lost.
just as you can't determine 1/4 mile by torque or hp, there is SO MUCH more to handling than one car being RWD and another being AWD.
EDIT: fwiw, i just did a quick search and found that the S2000 tends to have a FASTER slalom speed than the EVO. for a reminder, slalom is a car's ability to change direction without spinning out. the faster the better.
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Rep Power: 400 i found regional results for SCCA. (i assume recent?) EVO's on the particular course were running 57-58 seconds. S2000's on the same course were running 55-56 seconds.
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Rep Power: 0 When you mean back to back, do you mean exactly like in the slalom? If not then you can't exactly compare the times...I have yet to see a mountain road that is slalom style. So its not the same situation.
I have a rc car thats raced inspired to, it has a nice wing on it. Big whoop...come on man and tires that say goodyear. Did I mention my speed control has the words F1 on it too?
The evo has a very technical system, that which allows it to completely direct all its power into one wheel rear or front. Its the same idea that they use in the RL.
Yep exactly, just as you can't judge a evo by seeing it drive...wait till u drive it yourself and learn to really use it to its abilities. Just because u drive ur s2k one way, doesn't mean the evo it meant to be driven the same way. All cars have different sweet spots, if you get a good driver that can handle both cars, and push it to their limits. The EVO will win...especially on the uphill...
The S2000 is a formula 1 inspired car. but that's besides the point.
The evo has a very technical system, that which allows it to completely direct all its power into one wheel rear or front. Its the same idea that they use in the RL.
just as you can't determine 1/4 mile by torque or hp, there is SO MUCH more to handling than one car being RWD and another being AWD.
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