SRT-4 whats your take
Originally Posted by S2000man01
you make it sound as if everyone here who hates on the srt4 has ugly crap done to their car which simply isn't true. i know that may happen, but the majority of the time it's not.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
and i brought up more than just reliability. even then, if you drive the crap out of a civic you will still not have as many problems as a neon srt4 that's been driven the crap out of. that's simply domestic vs import there. i drive the hell out of my S2000 and beat the snot out of my first one as well and NEVER had a SINGLE problem.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
you also said "if you get an srt4 you dont care about looks... if you get an srt4 you dont care about reliaibility... if you get an srt4 you dont care about interior". well ok, as I said. if someone buys a car based on 1/4 mile time alone and ignores all other aspects, such as the ones you named, then they're dumb. but that's just my opinion. and it's probably a lot of other people's opinions too,
To some poeple 1/4 mile times are importent because they love to race in a striaght line.... they dont care about handeling or looks, they want to go fast straight. That is their liking and the SRT-4 is a great car that fits what they like to do. They market the SRT-4 as a drag racing car.... not as roadster or an econo box and it does exactly what its marketed for. Thats the thing, SRT-4 is a good car to go straight and thats it...... if you dont want that then dont buy the car, this still doesnt give you room to talk **** about it..
For example, you have an S2k. I like to take 3 of my friends and just drive around town..... the S2k seats 2 poeple so to me the S2k is a bad car because it doesnt provide me with something that I like to do. Therefore I will not buy it, I will however give the S2k props for having great handeling and being pretty quick because that is what the car is designed for...... its not designed for cruising with 3 of your friends.
Same with the SRT-4..... people want to have a little fun going fast in a straight line for pretty cheap, those are the poeple that buy the SRT-4. Now if you buy an SRT-4 for reliability and handeling then yes, you are a big idiot but I am pretty sure poeple know the rep that Dodge has and know exactly what they want out of the car before they buy it.
So no you're not a moron for saying that the SRT-4 is only good for straight lines.... because that is what the car does, that is how its marketed and that is why most poeple buy them. Like I said, the S2k would make a shitty car if you had a family so peopel with families dont buy an S2k as their only car because thats nnot what its desgined for..... same concept is applied to the SRT-4 hopefully.
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personally, i would never buy one. but it is cheap speed.
a supervisor at work has one with all the mopar stage 2 stuff or something, and he doesn't hate hondas at all (he had 2 ludes and one vic before the srt), but he says that you only call it a neon till it rapes you in the quarter, then all of a sudden its some "crazy fast srt4". which is true, i wouldnt want to say that i was beat by a neon.
a supervisor at work has one with all the mopar stage 2 stuff or something, and he doesn't hate hondas at all (he had 2 ludes and one vic before the srt), but he says that you only call it a neon till it rapes you in the quarter, then all of a sudden its some "crazy fast srt4". which is true, i wouldnt want to say that i was beat by a neon.
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When I first heard and read about them my first thought was "uh oh... a little competition."
After what I've been hearing about them and only seeing about 5 on the road since their creation...
I ain't worried 'bout 'em takin' a bite outta Honda's rep.
After what I've been hearing about them and only seeing about 5 on the road since their creation...
I ain't worried 'bout 'em takin' a bite outta Honda's rep.
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Originally Posted by HustleLikeM0FO
I dont think people here hate the SRT-4 because they have crap done to thier car.... I think poeple here hate the SRT-4 because they're afraid to leave their little "Honda" bubble.
Even thought you drive the hell out of your S2k and never had a problem doesnt mean that everyone who drives the hell out of their S2k never had a problem. I'm sure its the same way in the SRT-4 community.... some poeple have more problems then others. However, the odds are that you will have more problems with a Dodge rather then a Honda if you beat the hell out of both cars.
Well, arguing about looks is pointless because its nothign more then an opinion. To you reliability is importent but to someone else they rather get a very quick car for little money and not worry about reliaiblity...... buying a new SRT-4 gives you 3 years of worry free beating the hell out of the car cuz of warrenty so I am sure that is a HUUUGE factor why poeple buy the SRT-4 and close their eye on reliability of Dodge.
To some poeple 1/4 mile times are importent because they love to race in a striaght line.... they dont care about handeling or looks, they want to go fast straight. That is their liking and the SRT-4 is a great car that fits what they like to do. They market the SRT-4 as a drag racing car.... not as roadster or an econo box and it does exactly what its marketed for. Thats the thing, SRT-4 is a good car to go straight and thats it...... if you dont want that then dont buy the car, this still doesnt give you room to talk **** about it..
For example, you have an S2k. I like to take 3 of my friends and just drive around town..... the S2k seats 2 poeple so to me the S2k is a bad car because it doesnt provide me with something that I like to do. Therefore I will not buy it, I will however give the S2k props for having great handeling and being pretty quick because that is what the car is designed for...... its not designed for cruising with 3 of your friends.
Same with the SRT-4..... people want to have a little fun going fast in a straight line for pretty cheap, those are the poeple that buy the SRT-4. Now if you buy an SRT-4 for reliability and handeling then yes, you are a big idiot but I am pretty sure poeple know the rep that Dodge has and know exactly what they want out of the car before they buy it.
So no you're not a moron for saying that the SRT-4 is only good for straight lines.... because that is what the car does, that is how its marketed and that is why most poeple buy them. Like I said, the S2k would make a shitty car if you had a family so peopel with families dont buy an S2k as their only car because thats nnot what its desgined for..... same concept is applied to the SRT-4 hopefully.
Even thought you drive the hell out of your S2k and never had a problem doesnt mean that everyone who drives the hell out of their S2k never had a problem. I'm sure its the same way in the SRT-4 community.... some poeple have more problems then others. However, the odds are that you will have more problems with a Dodge rather then a Honda if you beat the hell out of both cars.
Well, arguing about looks is pointless because its nothign more then an opinion. To you reliability is importent but to someone else they rather get a very quick car for little money and not worry about reliaiblity...... buying a new SRT-4 gives you 3 years of worry free beating the hell out of the car cuz of warrenty so I am sure that is a HUUUGE factor why poeple buy the SRT-4 and close their eye on reliability of Dodge.
To some poeple 1/4 mile times are importent because they love to race in a striaght line.... they dont care about handeling or looks, they want to go fast straight. That is their liking and the SRT-4 is a great car that fits what they like to do. They market the SRT-4 as a drag racing car.... not as roadster or an econo box and it does exactly what its marketed for. Thats the thing, SRT-4 is a good car to go straight and thats it...... if you dont want that then dont buy the car, this still doesnt give you room to talk **** about it..
For example, you have an S2k. I like to take 3 of my friends and just drive around town..... the S2k seats 2 poeple so to me the S2k is a bad car because it doesnt provide me with something that I like to do. Therefore I will not buy it, I will however give the S2k props for having great handeling and being pretty quick because that is what the car is designed for...... its not designed for cruising with 3 of your friends.
Same with the SRT-4..... people want to have a little fun going fast in a straight line for pretty cheap, those are the poeple that buy the SRT-4. Now if you buy an SRT-4 for reliability and handeling then yes, you are a big idiot but I am pretty sure poeple know the rep that Dodge has and know exactly what they want out of the car before they buy it.
So no you're not a moron for saying that the SRT-4 is only good for straight lines.... because that is what the car does, that is how its marketed and that is why most poeple buy them. Like I said, the S2k would make a shitty car if you had a family so peopel with families dont buy an S2k as their only car because thats nnot what its desgined for..... same concept is applied to the SRT-4 hopefully.
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the interior is fine for me i cant tell the difference between "cheep and expensive plastic". Seats are so comfortable im gonna start looking through ebay soon to find a set of them possibly for my truck. Sound system even without the upgraded one sounds awesome, I mean the only thing thats retarded is the rear windows and that can be taken care of with a rear window kit for a regular neon....300$
I admit the factory exhaust is quite agressive riceburner got a larger one for his which actually quieted it down alot with the pops, and the turbo spool from behind sounds so awesome now
but seeing that he bought the car for 17000 new bought a 100 dollar boost controller and then bought the exhaust used hes still under 18k into the car and is basically high 12's low 13's @ 15psi on the stock turbo what can beat it for the price
the interior is fine for me i cant tell the difference between "cheep and expensive plastic". Seats are so comfortable im gonna start looking through ebay soon to find a set of them possibly for my truck. Sound system even without the upgraded one sounds awesome, I mean the only thing thats retarded is the rear windows and that can be taken care of with a rear window kit for a regular neon....300$
I admit the factory exhaust is quite agressive riceburner got a larger one for his which actually quieted it down alot with the pops, and the turbo spool from behind sounds so awesome now
but seeing that he bought the car for 17000 new bought a 100 dollar boost controller and then bought the exhaust used hes still under 18k into the car and is basically high 12's low 13's @ 15psi on the stock turbo what can beat it for the price
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if its a piece of **** how come it can kick r cars *** and just about any other car out there in that price range with out any mods
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Rep Power: 0 well i love my vic but its damn slow!! i have the sf kit sitting here but just dont want to deal with the b/s.. the srt is nice.. 3 friends have them and 2 have had no probs.. the third had to get a new tranny cause it was f*cking up but that is because they beat it up everyday and they can't drive that well. the interior is sort of plain yes but the seats are comfy but still clean inside. they have had no probs with the motor and i think its built pretty well. we live in vegas and he ran a 14.2 and the other is a 14.4.. now he put on the intake, wastegate and runs 15 psi. he ran a 13.1 last week. for a couple hundred dollars i would be dam happy!!! hell even runnin a 14.2 he dynoed it and it put down 245 whp and 270 wtq.. so i dont think its a pos!! dam nice and for a couple more grand alot better then our car
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Im by no means an srt4 fan or dodge for that matter, and I would choose an import over american in a heartbeat, but why hate a car because of the driver(s)? Reliability? General any turbo car is gonna to have reliability issues, yes no matter how tip-toe shape honda makes there cars, if they put a turbo in some of there vehicles, it wouldn't be reliable as N/A. Honda has said in the past the reason they go N/A is for reliability issues over turbo, bottom line. Every car has there problems, I believe civic was very reliable but reading on a honda board, you guys have problems aswell, just like the next auto maker. Give credit where credit is due, for 20k it's the best (quickest car) for the money, like said before... who can afford a 45k c6? Not me... but I can walk to a dodge dealer, drop 1k... and drive away with an o5 srt4, bottom line. Interior? Unless you drive a luxary vehicle or some high-end sports car, your interior is garbage. lancer, civic, neon, corolla, jetta etc. nothing but a radio, some ac/heat *****, speedo guages and big ugly plastic dash surrounding it... BLAH!
Far as s2k and neon (non-srt4) goes, s2k is ranked top 3 in lemon law, and the neon (non-srt4) is ranked weakest in reliability, so both cars have there problems. 2 different cars, 2 different markets... turbo and sheer tire chirpping speed = srt4, top down 9k redline vtec engine = s2k. Also, stock vs. stock evenly matched!
Im by no means an srt4 fan or dodge for that matter, and I would choose an import over american in a heartbeat, but why hate a car because of the driver(s)? Reliability? General any turbo car is gonna to have reliability issues, yes no matter how tip-toe shape honda makes there cars, if they put a turbo in some of there vehicles, it wouldn't be reliable as N/A. Honda has said in the past the reason they go N/A is for reliability issues over turbo, bottom line. Every car has there problems, I believe civic was very reliable but reading on a honda board, you guys have problems aswell, just like the next auto maker. Give credit where credit is due, for 20k it's the best (quickest car) for the money, like said before... who can afford a 45k c6? Not me... but I can walk to a dodge dealer, drop 1k... and drive away with an o5 srt4, bottom line. Interior? Unless you drive a luxary vehicle or some high-end sports car, your interior is garbage. lancer, civic, neon, corolla, jetta etc. nothing but a radio, some ac/heat *****, speedo guages and big ugly plastic dash surrounding it... BLAH!
Far as s2k and neon (non-srt4) goes, s2k is ranked top 3 in lemon law, and the neon (non-srt4) is ranked weakest in reliability, so both cars have there problems. 2 different cars, 2 different markets... turbo and sheer tire chirpping speed = srt4, top down 9k redline vtec engine = s2k. Also, stock vs. stock evenly matched!
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Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
I still don't understand why it's a POS?
Every car has there problems, I believe civic was very reliable but reading on a honda board, you guys have problems aswell, just like the next auto maker.
Every car has there problems, I believe civic was very reliable but reading on a honda board, you guys have problems aswell, just like the next auto maker.
and of course you read about problems, but what you dont read about is every person who drives there car every day, problem-free. the squeaky wheel gets the oil. from a numbers standpoint, the civic is FAR more reliable with FAR less problems.
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
General any turbo car is gonna to have reliability issues, yes no matter how tip-toe shape honda makes there cars, if they put a turbo in some of there vehicles, it wouldn't be reliable as N/A. Honda has said in the past the reason they go N/A is for reliability issues over turbo, bottom line.
A honda factory turbo would be very close to or just as reliable as an NA honda.
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
Far as s2k and neon (non-srt4) goes, s2k is ranked top 3 in lemon law
a lot of these complaints are from issues like tranny, differential, or even accidents, which all were thrown out due to driver error and inexperience. even more are the complaints that the car is "noisy". ok... it's a convertible. did you expect it to be quiet? that's why though there are "complaints" hardly no (if any) S2000 EVER qualifies for the lemon law and never gets returned to the dealership. (we haven't had a single one on s2ki.com qualify for lemon law yet) Also, they only make roughly 10,000 S2k's in a year. so if you get 1000 complaints (unwarranted complaints too
) that's 1 in 10. now let's say they make 100,000 civics in a year. you'd have to have 10,000 civics to even match that ratio.unfortunately that list doesn't reflect all of this, and so, that list is about as useful as a playboy playmate in a gay bar.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
it's a POS because it sucks in every category except 1/4 mile time.
and of course you read about problems, but what you dont read about is every person who drives there car every day, problem-free. the squeaky wheel gets the oil. from a numbers standpoint, the civic is FAR more reliable with FAR less problems.
Honda has NEVER said they would not use turbo because of reliability. They dont use turbo because of gas mileage and efficiency. Honda happens to know what they are talking about in turbos. They happen to have been using them in race engines for years and years.
A honda factory turbo would be very close to or just as reliable as an NA honda.
ah yes the old lemon law argument. what's interesting is if you actually RESEARCH these "lemon" complaints, you'll find a lot of it is people who bought the car not expecting it as a true sports car.
a lot of these complaints are from issues like tranny, differential, or even accidents, which all were thrown out due to driver error and inexperience. even more are the complaints that the car is "noisy". ok... it's a convertible. did you expect it to be quiet? that's why though there are "complaints" hardly no (if any) S2000 EVER qualifies for the lemon law and never gets returned to the dealership. (we haven't had a single one on s2ki.com qualify for lemon law yet) Also, they only make roughly 10,000 S2k's in a year. so if you get 1000 complaints (unwarranted complaints too ) that's 1 in 10. now let's say they make 100,000 civics in a year. you'd have to have 10,000 civics to even match that ratio.
unfortunately that list doesn't reflect all of this, and so, that list is about as useful as a playboy playmate in a gay bar.
and of course you read about problems, but what you dont read about is every person who drives there car every day, problem-free. the squeaky wheel gets the oil. from a numbers standpoint, the civic is FAR more reliable with FAR less problems.
Honda has NEVER said they would not use turbo because of reliability. They dont use turbo because of gas mileage and efficiency. Honda happens to know what they are talking about in turbos. They happen to have been using them in race engines for years and years.
A honda factory turbo would be very close to or just as reliable as an NA honda.
ah yes the old lemon law argument. what's interesting is if you actually RESEARCH these "lemon" complaints, you'll find a lot of it is people who bought the car not expecting it as a true sports car.
a lot of these complaints are from issues like tranny, differential, or even accidents, which all were thrown out due to driver error and inexperience. even more are the complaints that the car is "noisy". ok... it's a convertible. did you expect it to be quiet? that's why though there are "complaints" hardly no (if any) S2000 EVER qualifies for the lemon law and never gets returned to the dealership. (we haven't had a single one on s2ki.com qualify for lemon law yet) Also, they only make roughly 10,000 S2k's in a year. so if you get 1000 complaints (unwarranted complaints too
) that's 1 in 10. now let's say they make 100,000 civics in a year. you'd have to have 10,000 civics to even match that ratio.unfortunately that list doesn't reflect all of this, and so, that list is about as useful as a playboy playmate in a gay bar.
I read in a magazine and watched a vid from best motoring, where president of spoon Tatsuru Ichishima, said one of the reason why honda doesn't go turbo is because of the relability over time. Also something about VTEC being made to aid in turbo like performance, because N/A is just more reliable. Honda has made 1 turbo car, the city and yeah... wasnt a good seller. Even the turbo pros (subaru, porsche, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota) have there problems, why wouldn't honda have there own? Toyota has better reliability than honda N/A and turbo and they've been working w/ turbo cars longer and still had turbo issues with there cars.
You can call the lemon low "personal error", you can say "s2ki has non problems", Out of every s2k owner in the US, how many are on that site? Truth is, that lemon law is fact. You have been lucky and others have not. I only pointed it out because there is proof of it. Im by no means bashing the s2k, but if your gonna point out one cars difference, do forget yours.
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Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
I read in a magazine and watched a vid from best motoring, where president of spoon Tatsuru Ichishima, said one of the reason why honda doesn't go turbo is because of the relability over time. Toyota has better reliability than honda N/A and turbo and they've been working w/ turbo cars longer and still had turbo issues with there cars.
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
What other categories? Besides being quick, it has a ABS, radio, sun roof, nice firm viper seats, loads 4 people around, has a trunk for grocery - items, fun to drive, backed-warranty mods and just those few things alone make it a POS?
Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
You can call the lemon low "personal error", you can say "s2ki has non problems", Out of every s2k owner in the US, how many are on that site? Truth is, that lemon law is fact. You have been lucky and others have not. I only pointed it out because there is proof of it. Im by no means bashing the s2k, but if your gonna point out one cars difference, do forget yours.
In other words, that LIST that you saw (go ahead and google it) is for COMPLAINTS. NOT ACTUAL LEMON LAW RETURNS. And again, we found almost all of the complaints were things like "too noisy" or "ride too rough". People bought this car thinking it was gonna drive like a luxury sedan, and not a sports car. Many were also complaints about "clutch went too soon" when we've found that is due to driver error and riding the clutch. Trust me, we've looked into the lemon law complaint list, and it's useless.
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Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
What other categories? Besides being quick, it has a ABS, radio, sun roof, nice firm viper seats, loads 4 people around, has a trunk for grocery - items, fun to drive, backed-warranty mods and just those few things alone make it a POS?
I read in a magazine and watched a vid from best motoring, where president of spoon Tatsuru Ichishima, said one of the reason why honda doesn't go turbo is because of the relability over time. Also something about VTEC being made to aid in turbo like performance, because N/A is just more reliable. Honda has made 1 turbo car, the city and yeah... wasnt a good seller. Even the turbo pros (subaru, porsche, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota) have there problems, why wouldn't honda have there own? Toyota has better reliability than honda N/A and turbo and they've been working w/ turbo cars longer and still had turbo issues with there cars.
You can call the lemon low "personal error", you can say "s2ki has non problems", Out of every s2k owner in the US, how many are on that site? Truth is, that lemon law is fact. You have been lucky and others have not. I only pointed it out because there is proof of it. Im by no means bashing the s2k, but if your gonna point out one cars difference, do forget yours.
I read in a magazine and watched a vid from best motoring, where president of spoon Tatsuru Ichishima, said one of the reason why honda doesn't go turbo is because of the relability over time. Also something about VTEC being made to aid in turbo like performance, because N/A is just more reliable. Honda has made 1 turbo car, the city and yeah... wasnt a good seller. Even the turbo pros (subaru, porsche, mitsubishi, nissan, toyota) have there problems, why wouldn't honda have there own? Toyota has better reliability than honda N/A and turbo and they've been working w/ turbo cars longer and still had turbo issues with there cars.
You can call the lemon low "personal error", you can say "s2ki has non problems", Out of every s2k owner in the US, how many are on that site? Truth is, that lemon law is fact. You have been lucky and others have not. I only pointed it out because there is proof of it. Im by no means bashing the s2k, but if your gonna point out one cars difference, do forget yours.
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Originally Posted by pnoyster2k1cvic
it would be a nice show off car... not as reliable as the hondas... maybe because our cars are friggin slow? and of course we don't drive it as hard, coz NA civic ain't got no ***** like a chilly winter morning... I would drive an SRT anytime and I would drive it hard everyday like most of us will do, and yes they will break down often... if I set my boost at 10PSI to match the SRT's WHP I guarantee my honda will break as much as the Neon... I have respect for the SRT's, but nothing last forever if you don't take care of it... just my .05 
You can buy a High horsepower sporty version of our car its called the RSX Type S. That car is reliable and fast. You want to show off in the 1/4 mile get a Hondadata #4 reflash and injen CAI. So you can get reliability, sportiness and speed, you just have to pay a bit more. Not to mention the car is much quieter, handles much better and is put together real nice. The Type has a good midrange and a smooth smooth cirve.
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Originally Posted by HorrorSkopes
Also something about VTEC being made to aid in turbo like performance, because N/A is just more reliable.
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Rep Power: 0 I like what if offers engine wise the HP, but i dont think american cars are well. I dont like neon and this is an SRT4 which is like a top of the line neon but anyway i dont like domestic and i dont like the looks of the car. Id definetly buy the car say if Acura or Honda made the engine and the body was a honda or acura. So in the long run i dont think is a horrible car i just wouldnt buy one or think to highly of it. Im 100% a honda man so its hard for me to like any domestic.!!
Dont undestand why this thread is still going on...... The SRT4 is a GREAT car for what it is designed for and what it is marketed as. END OF STORY.
If you got the SRT4 for reliability, resale value and luxury then you are an idiot. If you got the SRT4 because its cheap, very fast for the money and has a 3 year warrenty then you did the right thing.
What more is there to discuss?
If you got the SRT4 for reliability, resale value and luxury then you are an idiot. If you got the SRT4 because its cheap, very fast for the money and has a 3 year warrenty then you did the right thing.
What more is there to discuss?
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http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
Originally Posted by HustleLikeM0FO
Dont undestand why this thread is still going on...... The SRT4 is a GREAT car for what it is designed for and what it is marketed as. END OF STORY.
If you got the SRT4 for reliability, resale value and luxury then you are an idiot. If you got the SRT4 because its cheap, very fast for the money and has a 3 year warrenty then you did the right thing.
What more is there to discuss?
If you got the SRT4 for reliability, resale value and luxury then you are an idiot. If you got the SRT4 because its cheap, very fast for the money and has a 3 year warrenty then you did the right thing.
What more is there to discuss?
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Originally Posted by Supermanrider
Whats everyone think of the SRT-4 i know its a neon but its a neon with ***** so whats everyone think of them
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Is this fake. It seems like too many problems to be true.
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
i used to make fun of srt-4' s but came to respect them and i went to the dealership to look at them and they arent horrible cars besides much faster then my civic right now so its got my respect
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Is this fake. It seems like too many problems to be true.
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
http://www.carsurvey.org/review_71323.html
"It's a fun car and extremely disappointing to me. I was looking forward to getting an SRT-4, since I currently own three neons, a 99 Plymouth Neon, a 99 Dodge Neon R/T, and a 04 SRT-4. "
She owns 3 Neons.... to me that tells me a lot about the other person. Its kinda like dating someone who constantly cheats on you.... you know the person you're with is a piece of **** but you just keep coming back for more. Samething with the Neons..... you know the Neon is a POS but you just keep coming back for more...... so I dont really care what complaints she has cuz 1 Neon is waaaay more then one needs yet alone 3.
