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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
Your buddy didn't know where to shift I guess or he had a boost leak of some sort. SRT's easily take S2000's and 350Z's stock for stock.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
since you want to post videos, here's a few for you.
SRT4 at 17psi w/intake vs S2k w/intake and exhaust
S2k w/intake and exhaust (and top down) vs SRT4 w/intake
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I was on the passenger side of a neon 2000, and when the driver spray the washer fluide, part of the fluid goes right into the passenger side from the window! I got some of the fluid into my eye.
The car really su*ks
I was on the passenger side of a neon 2000, and when the driver spray the washer fluide, part of the fluid goes right into the passenger side from the window! I got some of the fluid into my eye.
The car really su*ks
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
ok,
I was on the passenger side of a neon 2000, and when the driver spray the washer fluide, part of the fluid goes right into the passenger side from the window! I got some of the fluid into my eye.
The car really su*ks
I was on the passenger side of a neon 2000, and when the driver spray the washer fluide, part of the fluid goes right into the passenger side from the window! I got some of the fluid into my eye.
The car really su*ks
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
oh and that guy in that video. you can hear him shifting. A. he shifts slower than hell, B. he hits the rev limiter constantly. the guy couldn't drive his way out of a paper bag.
since you want to post videos, here's a few for you.
SRT4 at 17psi w/intake vs S2k w/intake and exhaust
S2k w/intake and exhaust (and top down) vs SRT4 w/intake
since you want to post videos, here's a few for you.
SRT4 at 17psi w/intake vs S2k w/intake and exhaust
S2k w/intake and exhaust (and top down) vs SRT4 w/intake
Originally Posted by S2000man01
oh and that guy in that video. the guy couldn't drive his way out of a paper bag.
EIther way, my vid was a STOCK vs STOCK comparison, and with 4 peeps in the SRT. Should've evened out even with bad shifting, don't ya think?
And really, an intake doesn't to jack for an SRT performance wise, the intakes just sound nice and make the turbo a lot louder. Who cares how cold the air is before it hits the turbo, it's still going to be heated up after the turbo. I've seen dyno's with before intake and after and trust me they suck. In a NA S2000, an intake would probably yeild a LOT more gains.
EIther way, those two vids above are close as hell. Pretty nice a 20k car can hang right with other cars that "are out of their league".
But again, stock for stock an SRT WILL take an S2000. Seen it so many times. Anyways enough about the S2000, it's made for the track...
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Rep Power: 0 The Neon was built to solve one problem:
How to go fast for $19K off the lot
At this, I believe it won. What else can you get for $19K, brand new with a warranty, that will run with cars that aren't even remotely in the same league (S2K, 350Z, possibly Evo/WRX)? It's great at what it was designed to do. It's not the best car on the face of the earth, but neither is the S2000.
How to go fast for $19K off the lot
At this, I believe it won. What else can you get for $19K, brand new with a warranty, that will run with cars that aren't even remotely in the same league (S2K, 350Z, possibly Evo/WRX)? It's great at what it was designed to do. It's not the best car on the face of the earth, but neither is the S2000.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
And really, an intake doesn't to jack for an SRT performance wise, the intakes just sound nice and make the turbo a lot louder. Who cares how cold the air is before it hits the turbo, it's still going to be heated up after the turbo. I've seen dyno's with before intake and after and trust me they suck. In a NA S2000, an intake would probably yeild a LOT more gains.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
But again, stock for stock an SRT WILL take an S2000. Seen it so many times.
stock for stock and SRT will not take an S2000. seen it so many times. over and over. but, i guess we're just arguing the same thing over and over now aren't we.
FYI, the fastest a bone stock S2000 has run to date is 13.66. any srt4 ever hit that stock? not that i've heard/read on the srtforums.
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Originally Posted by VTEC01EX
The Neon was built to solve one problem:
How to go fast for $19K off the lot
At this, I believe it won. What else can you get for $19K, brand new with a warranty, that will run with cars that aren't even remotely in the same league (S2K, 350Z, possibly Evo/WRX)? It's great at what it was designed to do. It's not the best car on the face of the earth, but neither is the S2000.
How to go fast for $19K off the lot
At this, I believe it won. What else can you get for $19K, brand new with a warranty, that will run with cars that aren't even remotely in the same league (S2K, 350Z, possibly Evo/WRX)? It's great at what it was designed to do. It's not the best car on the face of the earth, but neither is the S2000.
Originally Posted by S2000man01
FYI, the fastest a bone stock S2000 has run to date is 13.66. any srt4 ever hit that stock? not that i've heard/read on the srtforums.
not taking any sides, but doesnt the neon srt-4 run a low 13s on race gas stock? given the advantage since its turboed while the s2k is n/a which would prob mean race gas for the s2k wouldnt benefit as much as it does for the neon. i remember reading one of "dodgeneonsrt4"s how he kept saying the neon srt4 does low 13s all day, everyday stock. then eventually i done some searching and turns it it was running 103 fuel? or 93?
someone fill me in
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Even Dodge admits the car sucks. They will replace it with something totally different. It won't even share the name. Autoweek story about Neon's replacement.
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Rep Power: 0 they are soo fugly no matter what any one says. i would rather drive a pos rusted out car then a neon. i had to drive in one once. omfg the inerior sucks the dash is hard to read, it has less room in back and the sound system sucks.
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Originally Posted by D17thgen
not taking any sides, but doesnt the neon srt-4 run a low 13s on race gas stock? given the advantage since its turboed while the s2k is n/a which would prob mean race gas for the s2k wouldnt benefit as much as it does for the neon. i remember reading one of "dodgeneonsrt4"s how he kept saying the neon srt4 does low 13s all day, everyday stock. then eventually i done some searching and turns it it was running 103 fuel? or 93?
someone fill me in
someone fill me in
even if one ran faster with race gas, then do you consider race fuel stock? IMO, no. he's trying to say a neon srt4 can take an S2k and 350Z easily. yet how many stock srt4's are out on the street running race gas?
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Originally Posted by armieo
That happens in my civic too.
does that happen to your vic when the car is at very low speed? window fluid directly to your eye??
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Originally Posted by Cjddrum1
Ugh....the SRT-4 is a NEON no matter what any body tells you! The car is a beater. I would much rather own a civic than an SRT-4
I'll definitely be having fun with my 400whp SRT.
Originally Posted by deciuss
they are soo fugly no matter what any one says. i would rather drive a pos rusted out car then a neon. i had to drive in one once. omfg the inerior sucks the dash is hard to read, it has less room in back and the sound system sucks.
And dude, a civics interior is absolutely nothing special, my god. Hard to read dash? It's written in plain english and positioned right in front of the driver so you must have a lazy eye or something. Look at a Saturn and then complain about a hard to read dash.
Some people are so narrowminded it's just funny to fool with them.
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Rep Power: 0 im not narrowminded i like many other cars then my civic. i but i think neons with there big bubbls for headlights are fugly and i laugh at people that drive them. and its even more funny to me when they try to (race) my car and i instantly gain 3+cars on them by jaming on the gas.
list of other cars that i like
bmw 528i (my first car that i drove)
toyota highlander
ford taurus, gf's car and its growing on me.
i could list 30 more see im not narrowminded
i even dont like some of the civics. the 04 vp the way the front dash is set up sucks compared to my 01 ex. vp air vent placement sucks
list of other cars that i like
bmw 528i (my first car that i drove)
toyota highlander
ford taurus, gf's car and its growing on me.
i could list 30 more see im not narrowminded
i even dont like some of the civics. the 04 vp the way the front dash is set up sucks compared to my 01 ex. vp air vent placement sucks
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Originally Posted by deciuss
im not narrowminded i like many other cars then my civic. i but i think neons with there big bubbls for headlights are fugly and i laugh at people that drive them. and its even more funny to me when they try to (race) my car and i instantly gain 3+cars on them by jaming on the gas.
list of other cars that i like
bmw 528i (my first car that i drove)
toyota highlander
ford taurus, gf's car and its growing on me.
i could list 30 more see im not narrowminded
i even dont like some of the civics. the 04 vp the way the front dash is set up sucks compared to my 01 ex. vp air vent placement sucks
list of other cars that i like
bmw 528i (my first car that i drove)
toyota highlander
ford taurus, gf's car and its growing on me.
i could list 30 more see im not narrowminded
i even dont like some of the civics. the 04 vp the way the front dash is set up sucks compared to my 01 ex. vp air vent placement sucks
As far as regular neons go, ya you can smoke those because you have a top model Civic. Race an R/T, those would smoke your EX. Sorry but IMO, model for model the Neon has always been just a tad better on performance and everything. Buuut the civic keeps it's resale...
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Rep Power: 395 Why is this still open?!?! A Dodge thread on a Honda board is going to be biased towards Honda. A Ford thread on a Honda board is going to be biased toward the Honda. A Honda thread on a Ford board is going to be biased toward the Ford. A Honda thread on a Dodge board will be biased toward Dodge. This type of thing never get resolved on other boards.
/me raises hand and states "I drive an Automatic 2001 Honda Civic and I know its slow."
/me raises hand and states "I drive an Automatic 2001 Honda Civic and I know its slow."
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Rep Power: 343 qwiksilvertrav must feel like me when Im on srtforums, trying to reason with people that just will not listen.
WTF are you talking about, Ive owned an 01 EX auto and a 04 VP 5 speed and the dash was the same aside from the guages (the VP doesn't have a tach). But vent placement was EXACTLY the same.
i even dont like some of the civics. the 04 vp the way the front dash is set up sucks compared to my 01 ex. vp air vent placement sucks
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Originally Posted by Got Boost???
qwiksilvertrav must feel like me when Im on srtforums, trying to reason with people that just will not listen.
WTF are you talking about, Ive owned an 01 EX auto and a 04 VP 5 speed and the dash was the same aside from the guages (the VP doesn't have a tach). But vent placement was EXACTLY the same.
WTF are you talking about, Ive owned an 01 EX auto and a 04 VP 5 speed and the dash was the same aside from the guages (the VP doesn't have a tach). But vent placement was EXACTLY the same.
I just find it funny that people here continually base their judgement on the SRT down to the regular neon and even worse, they base it on 1st gen Neons (the current neons are solid, can anyone find facts to prove they are POS?, didn't think so). Sooo 1st gen Neons where piles (95- 97 models), sooo that means new SRT's are also POS, and will blow headgaskets etc. What kind of logic is that? lol Sounds to me bias people are just trying to find excuses to hate a car they've never even driven or sat in.
I now have over 34k miles on my car. Stock clutch, tranny, and the valve cover has never even been takin off. Been dynoed and beatin since say 1, running over 350 whp and 370 wtq daily with a few simple bolt ons. That is no pos in my opinion, it's a pure beast thats built for it from the factory. Still have a bigger IC, bigger TB, P&P'd intake manifold, and a water injection system I want to put on. That's easily a ways over 400 whp and still daily driver. I just really can't find a way to complain about this car yet.
Anyways, just a real review from a real SRT owner that knows the car. 
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
Haha, back from the dead once again, was just visiting back here finally. But yes, pretty much the case.
I just find it funny that people here continually base their judgement on the SRT down to the regular neon and even worse, they base it on 1st gen Neons (the current neons are solid, can anyone find facts to prove they are POS?, didn't think so). Sooo 1st gen Neons where piles (95- 97 models), sooo that means new SRT's are also POS, and will blow headgaskets etc. What kind of logic is that? lol Sounds to me bias people are just trying to find excuses to hate a car they've never even driven or sat in.
I now have over 34k miles on my car. Stock clutch, tranny, and the valve cover has never even been takin off. Been dynoed and beatin since say 1, running over 350 whp and 370 wtq daily with a few simple bolt ons. That is no pos in my opinion, it's a pure beast thats built for it from the factory. Still have a bigger IC, bigger TB, P&P'd intake manifold, and a water injection system I want to put on. That's easily a ways over 400 whp and still daily driver. I just really can't find a way to complain about this car yet. Anyways, just a real review from a real SRT owner that knows the car.
I just find it funny that people here continually base their judgement on the SRT down to the regular neon and even worse, they base it on 1st gen Neons (the current neons are solid, can anyone find facts to prove they are POS?, didn't think so). Sooo 1st gen Neons where piles (95- 97 models), sooo that means new SRT's are also POS, and will blow headgaskets etc. What kind of logic is that? lol Sounds to me bias people are just trying to find excuses to hate a car they've never even driven or sat in.
I now have over 34k miles on my car. Stock clutch, tranny, and the valve cover has never even been takin off. Been dynoed and beatin since say 1, running over 350 whp and 370 wtq daily with a few simple bolt ons. That is no pos in my opinion, it's a pure beast thats built for it from the factory. Still have a bigger IC, bigger TB, P&P'd intake manifold, and a water injection system I want to put on. That's easily a ways over 400 whp and still daily driver. I just really can't find a way to complain about this car yet.
Anyways, just a real review from a real SRT owner that knows the car.you need to look at the entire picture. there is a much higher percentage of neons and SRT4's with problems than any honda.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
Haha, back from the dead once again, was just visiting back here finally. But yes, pretty much the case.
I just find it funny that people here continually base their judgement on the SRT down to the regular neon and even worse, they base it on 1st gen Neons (the current neons are solid, can anyone find facts to prove they are POS?, didn't think so). Sooo 1st gen Neons where piles (95- 97 models), sooo that means new SRT's are also POS, and will blow headgaskets etc. What kind of logic is that? lol Sounds to me bias people are just trying to find excuses to hate a car they've never even driven or sat in.
I now have over 34k miles on my car. Stock clutch, tranny, and the valve cover has never even been takin off. Been dynoed and beatin since say 1, running over 350 whp and 370 wtq daily with a few simple bolt ons. That is no pos in my opinion, it's a pure beast thats built for it from the factory. Still have a bigger IC, bigger TB, P&P'd intake manifold, and a water injection system I want to put on. That's easily a ways over 400 whp and still daily driver. I just really can't find a way to complain about this car yet. Anyways, just a real review from a real SRT owner that knows the car.
I just find it funny that people here continually base their judgement on the SRT down to the regular neon and even worse, they base it on 1st gen Neons (the current neons are solid, can anyone find facts to prove they are POS?, didn't think so). Sooo 1st gen Neons where piles (95- 97 models), sooo that means new SRT's are also POS, and will blow headgaskets etc. What kind of logic is that? lol Sounds to me bias people are just trying to find excuses to hate a car they've never even driven or sat in.
I now have over 34k miles on my car. Stock clutch, tranny, and the valve cover has never even been takin off. Been dynoed and beatin since say 1, running over 350 whp and 370 wtq daily with a few simple bolt ons. That is no pos in my opinion, it's a pure beast thats built for it from the factory. Still have a bigger IC, bigger TB, P&P'd intake manifold, and a water injection system I want to put on. That's easily a ways over 400 whp and still daily driver. I just really can't find a way to complain about this car yet.
Anyways, just a real review from a real SRT owner that knows the car.mmm....
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
one individual good or bad experience with the car means absolutely NOTHING.
you need to look at the entire picture. there is a much higher percentage of neons and SRT4's with problems than any honda.
you need to look at the entire picture. there is a much higher percentage of neons and SRT4's with problems than any honda.
Really, Hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability, I see my friend's Hondas with just as many problems as any other car out there. It's a car, they break from time to time.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
Well, to go further then, I personally know at least 30 fellow SRT owners. All not stock...and no problems. Really, I think out of the 30 a few have been in the shop under warranty for very minor things. When you go on the forums, there's lots of problems because that's where ya go when ya have one. Almost ALL are from people doing mods and screwing something up or driving like an asshat.
Really, Hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability, I see my friend's Hondas with just as many problems as any other car out there. It's a car, they break from time to time.
Really, Hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability, I see my friend's Hondas with just as many problems as any other car out there. It's a car, they break from time to time.
So to say hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability is simply wrong in every sense of the word. Imports are superior to domestics when it comes to reliability and quality controls. Again this isn't anything new or even anything american car manufacturers try to hide! Ford even openly admits they would rather build a car cheap with inexpensive parts, and warranty the part that goes bad within 36k miles, rather than build it right the first time with stricter tolerances and quality controls. Again, google that guy and you'll find out exactly why and how this all came about!
The bottom line is it's all a numbers game. I will use this analogy as I've used it before. You have a better chance of getting a honda with less problems and better reliability than an SRT4 or domestic car. If someone said to you "you can buy 1 of 2 lottery tickets. they both cost about the same, but one has a 1:100 chance of winning a million dollars, while the other has a 1:1000 chance of winning a million dollars". Which would you buy? However, this example does show that there are "winning" domestic cars out there, it's simply that your chances of getting a "winning" car is better if you buy an import.
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Originally Posted by qwiksilvertrav
Well, to go further then, I personally know at least 30 fellow SRT owners. All not stock...and no problems. Really, I think out of the 30 a few have been in the shop under warranty for very minor things. When you go on the forums, there's lots of problems because that's where ya go when ya have one. Almost ALL are from people doing mods and screwing something up or driving like an asshat.
Really, Hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability, I see my friend's Hondas with just as many problems as any other car out there. It's a car, they break from time to time.
Really, Hondas are nothing special when it comes to reliability, I see my friend's Hondas with just as many problems as any other car out there. It's a car, they break from time to time.
Me and S200001man didn't invent probability and statistics. We simply state the fact. Science is not somthing you alone can change. If you believe on your feeling and your observation that SRT-4 are reliable, you can always publish your own comsumer reports against Edmond; Dodge will pay you a lot for it.
We all know there is no statistics of used SRT-4 that are over 5 years and 700k mile, basically for the age of those cars, no one can yet determine the reliability. We just knew from the past stdies that there is no way dodge has import reliability.
You should wait when your car and all your friend's car reach 5 years and 700k, then let's see about it.
