is this bad for my auto?
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is this bad for my auto? wee! my car is faster than the same model with mods like exhaust 
okay, now that i have that outta the way, i was thinking about this new way of lauching which i tried tonight at the get2gether. I pull up with this guy with the exact same kinda car i have except he has exhaust and we launch. I get a jump off the line and halfway down i'm about a car length a ahead b4 he starts to close in{slowly very slowly}. Now, this launching technique has me worrying is it bad for my auto? I've used it to beat a lx coupe auto, lx sedan auto, and get a jump on miata until he finnally stopped messing around and pwned me.
the way i'm launching isn't nuetral dropping but starting off in d3 at the line. at the line, left foot on brake, right foot on accellerator pushing it down softly. hands go up, i raise rpm to about 2k, once they drop, i let go of the brake and floor it in d3. then when its about to redline{500-1k rpm away} i shift into second by moving it down to 2, almost redline then to d3 again. Will this kill my tranny, axles, or anything of the sort except my brakes.
edit forgot to mention, that the lx sedan i raced also has his little launching pattern that is really good if he can get in the "zone". the coupe i raced i beat by like two car lengths and it wasn' even funny after the thirds race.
okay, now that i have that outta the way, i was thinking about this new way of lauching which i tried tonight at the get2gether. I pull up with this guy with the exact same kinda car i have except he has exhaust and we launch. I get a jump off the line and halfway down i'm about a car length a ahead b4 he starts to close in{slowly very slowly}. Now, this launching technique has me worrying is it bad for my auto? I've used it to beat a lx coupe auto, lx sedan auto, and get a jump on miata until he finnally stopped messing around and pwned me.
the way i'm launching isn't nuetral dropping but starting off in d3 at the line. at the line, left foot on brake, right foot on accellerator pushing it down softly. hands go up, i raise rpm to about 2k, once they drop, i let go of the brake and floor it in d3. then when its about to redline{500-1k rpm away} i shift into second by moving it down to 2, almost redline then to d3 again. Will this kill my tranny, axles, or anything of the sort except my brakes.
edit forgot to mention, that the lx sedan i raced also has his little launching pattern that is really good if he can get in the "zone". the coupe i raced i beat by like two car lengths and it wasn' even funny after the thirds race.
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Might be bad for your auto tranny. Why didn't you start off at D2 then work your way up? It doesn't seem to make any sense to start off at D3 and then downshift to D2, all thats gonna do is to make your engine work harder.
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Rep Power: 0 You got your footing wrong. Anyways, its called power braking if im not mistaken and all it does is messes with your torque convertor if you rev it to high...like past 2 grand.
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Rep Power: 0 its power braking even if i'm using it to build my revs off the line! about revving over 2k, its damn near impossible cause then it starts to make this wierd noise like the brakes or something is straining. but just under 2k, once i let go of the brake, it goes to 3k in a flash and then it start accelerating. i really need to find a manual 7th gen in DFW w/o mods to race against.
edit: about the footing, lol, its late but i know i have to use both feet to get it right and timing is everything.
edit: about the footing, lol, its late but i know i have to use both feet to get it right and timing is everything.
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Rep Power: 0 I used to slam it down into 2 when i was racing cuz you get a pretty big lurch outta the car, then I would redline and shift back to D. Its probably shortening the life of your tranny significantly. Wont notice it for a while unless you do it daily though.
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Rep Power: 0 its called a break torque. it does wear out the tranny but not if u dont do it too often. then onto ur shifting from d3->2... umm... dont, theres no point to it. some ppl think d3 is faster then d4 though, im not sure about it but there does seem to be a difference, so id just recommend leaving it in d3 the entire time.
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Rep Power: 304 you're just gonna break your transmission by break torquing. the trannys on civics are known to be weak, especially on an auto. on a stock torque converter you're limited to rev to only 2k rpm when brake torquing, and is possible to rev higher if you get a new "racing" torque converter.
I got my Civic brand new when I was 16.
I mention age so you know the type of stupid crap a 16 year old tries to attempt.
I have an auto also.
I've brake torqued it.
I've dropped it to D3 on the highway many times.
I've hit the speed limiter numerous times.
I've done jack rabbit starts and floored it constantly.
I've changed my oil every 3000 miles.
I've changed my transmission oil about every 10,000 miles.
I've done everything I needed to keep the car in up shape.
The result?
A brand new transmission at 45,000miles.
The lesson learned?
Invest in a transmission cooler and/or beef up the transmission if you are the type who likes to beat on the transmission because they aren't meant for "race" type abuse.
Don't race in an economy car until it's prepared to take the beating.
I mention age so you know the type of stupid crap a 16 year old tries to attempt.
I have an auto also.
I've brake torqued it.
I've dropped it to D3 on the highway many times.
I've hit the speed limiter numerous times.
I've done jack rabbit starts and floored it constantly.
I've changed my oil every 3000 miles.
I've changed my transmission oil about every 10,000 miles.
I've done everything I needed to keep the car in up shape.
The result?
A brand new transmission at 45,000miles.
The lesson learned?
Invest in a transmission cooler and/or beef up the transmission if you are the type who likes to beat on the transmission because they aren't meant for "race" type abuse.
Don't race in an economy car until it's prepared to take the beating.
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Originally Posted by LiKEaFeRiO
I got my Civic brand new when I was 16.
I mention age so you know the type of stupid crap a 16 year old tries to attempt.
I have an auto also.
I've brake torqued it.
I've dropped it to D3 on the highway many times.
I've hit the speed limiter numerous times.
I've done jack rabbit starts and floored it constantly.
I've changed my oil every 3000 miles.
I've changed my transmission oil about every 10,000 miles.
I've done everything I needed to keep the car in up shape.
The result?
A brand new transmission at 45,000miles.
The lesson learned?
Invest in a transmission cooler and/or beef up the transmission if you are the type who likes to beat on the transmission because they aren't meant for "race" type abuse.
Don't race in an economy car until it's prepared to take the beating.
I mention age so you know the type of stupid crap a 16 year old tries to attempt.
I have an auto also.
I've brake torqued it.
I've dropped it to D3 on the highway many times.
I've hit the speed limiter numerous times.
I've done jack rabbit starts and floored it constantly.
I've changed my oil every 3000 miles.
I've changed my transmission oil about every 10,000 miles.
I've done everything I needed to keep the car in up shape.
The result?
A brand new transmission at 45,000miles.
The lesson learned?
Invest in a transmission cooler and/or beef up the transmission if you are the type who likes to beat on the transmission because they aren't meant for "race" type abuse.
Don't race in an economy car until it's prepared to take the beating.
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Rep Power: 811 Agreed. Bye bye torque converter and tranny. Even in D4, the car will nearly redline every gear if you floor it. Mine does anyway. Don't drive it like a manual.
haha we drive civics!! when we attempt to drive them fast they crap out. build your car to be fast with a turbo(internals too) or swap or even better get a new car that was meant to go fast. otherwise you'll spend ridiculous amounts on stupid repairs. all that to still not go fast = no worth it. i <3 my econobox.
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Rep Power: 0 already read the racing law. yesterday, i was praticing my launches up to sixty after everything died out. second - fourth time{can't remmember} i saw a car comming up from far so i went to far right lane and continued launching. guess who it was the, dallas police in an old crown vic. he was like 50ft behind me when i launched. then i was launching again he passed me on the far left lane and slowed down, i was like ****. oh well, since i was heading back to the spot, he parked right off the place where the racing cars end hoping to pop some1 cuz a few were still there. seriously, i don't think he woulda pulled me over since it was like freezing outside and thats ice age in TX
ok let me get this correct:
What your car does under a normal hold the brake rev to 2K pop the brake slam the gas launch in d3---- The car is in 1st goes to about redline shifts to 2nd goes to about redline shifts to 3rd it will never shift to 4th because you are in d3 (this is the only difference from d3 to d4).
your hold the brake rev to 2k pop the brake slam the gas smack the auto shifter around launch from d3----The car is in 1st goes to 500rpms pre-redline you shift to 2nd goes to about redline you shift to 3rd it will never shift to 4th because you are in d3 (this is the only difference from d3 to d4).
hope it makes sense that you are not doing d!ck. Infact I would say that by shifting to second before your car normally would you are slowing yourself down because if you let it go to redline when it shifted into 2nd it would be at higher rpms.
What your car does under a normal hold the brake rev to 2K pop the brake slam the gas launch in d3---- The car is in 1st goes to about redline shifts to 2nd goes to about redline shifts to 3rd it will never shift to 4th because you are in d3 (this is the only difference from d3 to d4).
your hold the brake rev to 2k pop the brake slam the gas smack the auto shifter around launch from d3----The car is in 1st goes to 500rpms pre-redline you shift to 2nd goes to about redline you shift to 3rd it will never shift to 4th because you are in d3 (this is the only difference from d3 to d4).
hope it makes sense that you are not doing d!ck. Infact I would say that by shifting to second before your car normally would you are slowing yourself down because if you let it go to redline when it shifted into 2nd it would be at higher rpms.
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Originally Posted by masarak
While you're saving up for a new transmission, read this if you haven't already.
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Rep Power: 0 don't do it..busted my tranny a year ago for trying to race a car thats not meant to be raced unless u do some kinda swap or turbo...not worth it....plus mine wasn't covered by warranty and Honda charged me 3600...for tranny, new tires, and a side mirror..
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Rep Power: 304 how about you just do everything you're doing in d2...then just shift it to d3 when you redline second...all d3 does is keep your transmission from going into 4th if i'm not mistaken....so if it starts out in 1 anyway why bother even starting in 3rd then throwing it down into 2nd
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Rep Power: 311 the only timer i drop it into 2nd is if i'm on the freeway and going between 60-70 mph cuz it wont drop it on its own, but if i drop it, then it'll put it in second and i can take it to 78 mph before i have to shift
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Rep Power: 0 bgoetz, i knew d3 would shift into second at close to redline but then for some reason, the revs jump like pretty much anyother time im driving and the tranny upshifts. thats why i do that shifting crap. anywayz, it makes me more invovled and practicing for a manual
