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I just read a large thread on down shifting, but I think that I need more help up shifting. I am not talking about daily driving I am talking about for performance. Often times I feel as if I get very inconsistent shifts. My problem is not in the shifting it self, but the action of the clutch and gas pedal. Sometimes it feels like I get on the gas to soon (before the clutch is out) other times I get jerky shifts. Now keep in mind that I am makeing it out to be worse than it is I am really not that bad. I just feel like there is another level to be reached with good advice. So how do you work the clutch and gas, also what rpms do you shift at??? Do you run it almost to the rev limit (slightly past redline) or do you shift at redline?? Is there any websites that could help with this??

 
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i shift at or a little before redline..and if it all possible double clutch

 
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can i see pics of your car d00d sounds nice^^^^^^^^

 
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practice practice practice.

 
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double clutchin hahaha, db clutchin only slows down ur shifts..... how about practice on ur clutch, shift and gas, the faster u are the better shift u get, as for rev, go through the power ban shift at red

 
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double clutching? That slows it down. Shift at or around redline, and just pull it into gear. Short shifters help with shorter throws, but make it a little harder to pull into gear.

 
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Double clutching is only good when downshifting, not for shifting up. Synchros don't get hurt when upshifting, and that's the primary reason for double clutching when downshifting: not to hurt the synchros.

I used to had problems when racing cause I didn't depressed the clutch completely, it was horrible. But you have to keep practicing, not pressing the whole clutch will not make you shift any faster, it will kill your tranny!!

Now, keep in mind that pressing the clutch is to make the tranny GET the next gear, wich means that when shifting from one to another, the clutch have to be fully pressed to make the tranny get the gear, but not to take the knobb out of any gear. Knowing that helped me A LOT to learn how to shift a lot faster than I used to. How?? Cause I dont: -stop accelerationg, press the clutch, take out from gear, go to another, and then depress the clutch and press the accel. I accelerate, take out half the foot from accel, take out the knobb the current gear, beggin to press the clutch (yes, the knobb can be taken out from it's current gear without pressing all the clutch), THEN I TAKE OUT THE FOOT FROM THE ACCEL, engage the next gear, accel again while taking foot out of the clutch.

Trust me, it really helped me out, I don't have any "short shift kit", and by doing that, My car doesn't keep reving up like crazy as many of you might be thinking, it does help to shift fast and keep consistent engine speed while shifting.

Not easy at first, and you might feel that your car is revving up between shifts, but when you learn to do it really fast, the engine will not have enough time to revv up. You WILL notice when you beggin to do it well.

Hope it helps, and if you believe I'm doing wrong just let me know, but I know it does help me a lot not to loose speed while shifting.

Good Luck!

 
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Please tell me you are kidding about double clutching....do we have to have a another lesson in The Fast and the Furious?

 
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hahaha buddy must feel really stupid

 
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Sometimes i shift before i push the clutch in *edit* sorry not shift but pull it out of gear..clutch in next gear...im pretty quick at it

but alot of the time im just feeling till it gives way; but it doesn't sound like im harming anything

 
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I don't have any at the moment, but I will try to post some tomorrow or Sunday (I need to clean it bad before I take any pics )

 
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Mmmmmm, i love the feel of 3rd to 4th when hauling ***. With a revoSS, its like WAM!

 
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don't double clutch. we have syncros and it its not necessary at all. jeff is just a gl00b

 
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Theres not much to shifting...not much at all..if you trying to shift w/ performance in mind...dont wait until redline to shift.. you lose horsepower after around 6,200 rpms shifting faster might help if you dont have a short shifter but ..in this case you could mis the shift and grind gears...but other than that theres no secret "performace shifting skill" just shift around 6200 and you'll be good. Also........people that think double cluching makes you faster.........needs to leave the car parked in the driveway and stick to watching stupid a$$ movies..that do nothing but polute the mind w/ invaluble (sp) information.........Double cluching is pointless like stated about we have syncros in our cars.....theres no need for it....i think and i only think...that big rigs are the only vehicals made to this day that you have double cluch .....and even then there the exeption....(they can also be power shifted ( shifting w/o pushing in the cluch) (its that grinding noise you hear sometimes)) but other than that........"your Granny shifting" is faster than your "double cluching" ... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................................god dam# film makers..........................get one ricer to tell them somthing and all of a sudden it becomes the import tunners new trend

 
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All I have to say is this

"A good upshift, just like a good down shift, Should be Heard and not felt".



http://www.318ti.org/notebook/shifting/

 
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If you're talking about street driving, the stuff above covers it pretty well.

For win at all costs racing where you aren't worried about wearing out parts, you have two options.

1) Once the car is moving, never lift the gas pedal and don't use the clutch. Just slam the trans into gear. Kinda hard on parts, but makes for more consistent shifts. A guy I know goes through 1-2 trans rebuild per year doing this in an old muscle car, but he is deadly consistent. Looks funny as hell watching him ram home the gears as he goes down the track.

2) Put a bit of pressure on the shifter before the shift, leave the gas down and ram home the shift as you tap the clutch. Not quite as consistent as option 1, but easier on parts.

Unless your civic is a stripped down turbo charged, nitrous sucking monster, I'd just practice your granny shifts like the rest of us...

 
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^^ for drag racing the above is pretty much true.... For circut racing.... Not using the clutch is a sure fire way to not finish a race.... and you have to finish to win.

 
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B.S THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE ON WHAT NOT TO DO...........unless you feel like dropin a couple grand to fix it " A guy I know goes through 1-2 trans rebuild per year doing this" .....................he said it himself.....P.s it cant be consistand if your slaming the trans into gears. ...because your forceing it....wich will probley take a couple hard shoves to do it...and even then you miss your shifting point...possiby redlineing you engine............NOT A GOOD IDEA

 
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Did you notice he said win at all costs racing. As in to win not matter what even if you *** up the tranny.

 
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anyone know our max horsepower at what rpm, is it 6100

 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Check post 35, in the thread below.

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...=161722&page=3

 
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http://www.standardshift.com/videos.html

great stuff for anyone wanting to improve their stick handling. haha

 
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my shifting is as fast with using the clutch as it would be without

 
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shifting without the clutch can be don, it is good to know how to do it, I have had a couple of clutch cables come loose over the years, and it's OK, but not recommended to do it a lot.

 
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+1 AGREED!

driving is like having sex. you can be ok at it, but to be really good you have to listen to what your partner is telling you, literally and figuratively when it comes to cars.

you have to learn the cues, find the sweet spots and remember them so that you can go back w/o any suggestions from your partner. lol you gotta listen to the moaning...HAHA and pay attention when she says "ouch" cause you dont want to do that again.

whether youre coming up or going down, listening is the key to a good run.

 
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^^^^^^^ I like the analogy.

 
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very good link thank you very much.

 
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modulate the clutch, to get NO wheelspin.Wheelspin = slower times.

What I suggest is go to an empty road and film/video tape going through your gears, then watch and learn from it.

 
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lol, you don't have to double clutch when you downshift either.

ever heard that "whine" noise when you put the car in 1st gear even though the clutch is pushed in? the simple explination is that is your synchros rev matching for you.

double clutching on a modern car does NOTHING. it does NOT rev match your engine and clutch flywheel. your synchros do it for you whether you "double clutch" or not.



for those who don't know.... lets say im racing and rev my car to 9000rpms. when i disengage the clutch to go to the next gear, the engine rpms probably drop to maybe 7000rpms, while the clutch is still spinning at 9000+ rpms. this is because of intertia, which we all know, however the flywheel/engine has more "resistance" thus slowing it down faster than the clutch.

back in the olden days, when cars didn't have synchros, double clutching, would help the clutch speeds come back down to earth, closer to the engine/flywheel speeds before shifting to the next gear.

nowadays, when you shift to the next gear, before you even let the clutch out, the synchros do this for you. hence, double clutching on a modern car does nothing but exert energy from your leg muscles.

 
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right and wrong.

wheelspin off the line is GOOD. if you get no wheel spin, then you're probably tearing the hell out of your clutch because you're "feathering" it, which can cause the clutch to super heat. this can cause it to slip and is even WORSE than wheelspin.

a little chirp when you shift from gear to gear doesn't really affect anything either. maybe a hundreth of a second more or so in that 1/4 mile. for you racing your car some sunday to see how well you do, that .01 of a second is inconsequential.