defend the FF cars specially Civic
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defend the FF cars specially Civic
first of all, thank you for all your opinions and ideas you given to me, well i your help again.
my brother who is really a fun of drifting (initial D fanaticism) prefers a FR cars and i had told him that if he really wants a FR car it would be costly and rare, and he doesn't like FF cars cause its "understeer" feature and not powerful cars as FR. please give me some reason why FF is still good car and it really depends on the driver's skills right?
my brother who is really a fun of drifting (initial D fanaticism) prefers a FR cars and i had told him that if he really wants a FR car it would be costly and rare, and he doesn't like FF cars cause its "understeer" feature and not powerful cars as FR. please give me some reason why FF is still good car and it really depends on the driver's skills right?
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In the end, physics will rule and FF will not do as well as a FR car.
FF is only really better in wet conditions or snow when weight is actually needed over the driving wheels...
FF is only really better in wet conditions or snow when weight is actually needed over the driving wheels...
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Originally Posted by ty.barrack
what is ff and fr
Yeah, physics will prevail. With FWD cars you have to turn with your front wheels and accelerate with your front wheels. That's a lot to do for a pair of wheels. In RWD cars, your rear wheels accelerate you and your fronts are free to put all their traction into turning. Not to mention, with RWD, you can more easily induce oversteer and understeer by modulating the throttle. Can't do that in a FWD car (torque steer).
To help ty. barrack -
FF - Front engine/Front wheel drive (Civic, Taurus, etc.)
FR - Front engine/Rear wheel drive (Mustang, Camaro, etc.)
MR - Mid engine/Rear wheel drive (MR2, Ferarri Modena, etc.)
RR - Rear engine/Rear wheel drive (Porsche, old Beetles, etc.)
To help ty. barrack -
FF - Front engine/Front wheel drive (Civic, Taurus, etc.)
FR - Front engine/Rear wheel drive (Mustang, Camaro, etc.)
MR - Mid engine/Rear wheel drive (MR2, Ferarri Modena, etc.)
RR - Rear engine/Rear wheel drive (Porsche, old Beetles, etc.)
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dude, i love initial d also. i watched the first six episodes and i want more. ive even tried to drift my ff on gravel and stuff. they need to bring it over, those damn videos are expensive at ****.
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So guys you mean that FR cars are really better than FF ones. oke why then civicstill is the most preferable compact sedan, most tunable, and capable for a lot of engine modications even though its FF? did the FR's already beaten by FF's or its just because that is the latest trend in automobile world?
in speaking of drifting do FF cars drift? how? and compare it from FR drifting.
in speaking of drifting do FF cars drift? how? and compare it from FR drifting.
oh man, their is ALOT to learn about drifting/civic tuning/drivetrain layouts and such.
each car performs its greastest in specific situations. example: civic: economical, affordable, best selling compact?, very customizable, the FF drivetrain could be great for the track/road racing. and lets take a FR car: nissan 240sx: great for drifting with its rear wheel drive layout and its chassis, customizable too.. you see where im going?
FF cars can "drift" using the e-brake tech. some claim it as drifting, some dont. FR is the most common drivetrain layout that is used for drifting because of its weight to ratio power?
FF/FR are two complete different types. you cannot compare the two when talking about drifting.
each car performs its greastest in specific situations. example: civic: economical, affordable, best selling compact?, very customizable, the FF drivetrain could be great for the track/road racing. and lets take a FR car: nissan 240sx: great for drifting with its rear wheel drive layout and its chassis, customizable too.. you see where im going?
FF cars can "drift" using the e-brake tech. some claim it as drifting, some dont. FR is the most common drivetrain layout that is used for drifting because of its weight to ratio power?
FF/FR are two complete different types. you cannot compare the two when talking about drifting.
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Originally Posted by QuinceArj
So guys you mean that FR cars are really better than FF ones. oke why then civicstill is the most preferable compact sedan, most tunable, and capable for a lot of engine modications even though its FF? did the FR's already beaten by FF's or its just because that is the latest trend in automobile world?
in speaking of drifting do FF cars drift? how? and compare it from FR drifting.
in speaking of drifting do FF cars drift? how? and compare it from FR drifting.
You have a lot to learn my friend.
FR is better for drifting because it can produce oversteer; FF cannot.
civic sedan is popular because its cheap, has great gas mileage, and is very reliable. i would much rather have another 240 or rx7 over my civic now, but i cant do it because of those reasons. how do you figure civic sedan is the most tunable and capable of alot of engine modifications?
FF is better in wet conditions because of the extra weight on the driving wheels. FF is a good racing car, but not better than FR. FR has a better weight distribution, and when a car accelerates, it typically "squats" on the rear tires. this helps FR have better traction.
pulling the e-brake in FF is not drifting. pulling e-brake in FR is not drifting. drifting is meant to keep the speed up through a turn thats incapable of keeping speed by gripping, but now its become alot more of a "who can make the most smoke" and "hardest angle" and "longest slide" show.
civic sedan is popular because its cheap, has great gas mileage, and is very reliable. i would much rather have another 240 or rx7 over my civic now, but i cant do it because of those reasons. how do you figure civic sedan is the most tunable and capable of alot of engine modifications?
FF is better in wet conditions because of the extra weight on the driving wheels. FF is a good racing car, but not better than FR. FR has a better weight distribution, and when a car accelerates, it typically "squats" on the rear tires. this helps FR have better traction.
pulling the e-brake in FF is not drifting. pulling e-brake in FR is not drifting. drifting is meant to keep the speed up through a turn thats incapable of keeping speed by gripping, but now its become alot more of a "who can make the most smoke" and "hardest angle" and "longest slide" show.
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Rep Power: 0 I dont think it matters much if it is FF or FR or AWD , etc for everyday driving. They only matter if you drive at racing-like speeds or if the road is really slick. For drifting, rear drive does it best it can spin the wheel with power, not by locking it up with ebrake.
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Rep Power: 328 Okay being that I own both a FF car (civic) and a FR car (RX-8) I'll throw in my 2 cents.
Driveability:
Putting around town, stop and go traffic you really wouldn't notice a difference between the two. In hard driving, especially hard acceleration, the FR car is superior hands down. All of the weight shifts to the back of the car when accelerating, and provides more traction over the drive wheels. When I accelerate hard in the civic, there is a hint of torque steer--it would be worse if the damn car had more power (it was really bad in my MSP).
Driving hard on the track and through canyons is also totally different. The FF car understeers horribly, and makes it more difficult to turn the car through corners at high speeds. The FR car just glides through, and is quite easy to break the rear end loose and create a "drift" by initiating oversteer, and correcting with a countersteer while accelerating through the turn. Burnouts are very easy (although I rarely do them) and donuts are as well. If I wanted to do that in my civic I'd need some food trays from McDonald's.
Economy
Well, the RX-8 is notorious for getting less than mediocre gas mileage. I chalk it up to be the drivetrain, and the high power rotary. Tires also seem to wear noticeably quicker. Conversely, the civic is famous for being a gas sipper. The tires seem to wear reasonably, probably due to its less aggressive suspension set up, and alignment settings.
Inclement Weather
Although the RX-8 comes with Dynamic Stability Control, and Traction Control I would never dream of driving it in snow. When it rains I tend to slip and slide. I currently am on the Bridgestone RE040 Potenzas, which are terrible in the wet, but I still wouldn't feel comfortable even with all season tires. Just the other night, I had the stability control off and nearly spun out on a patch of wet leaves while accelerating out of a parking lot. FR cars take alot more driver skill and control--that which honestly, I could still learn a thing or two about.
The civic however, is always composed in the wet. Aside from the usual hydroplane, the car never really loses it's rear end in a slide of any kind. Well, not unless you're being stupid. I'd be willing to bet with alot more power, and torque steer of course, the car would be a huge handful in bad weather. Because of it's mild road manners, I think the civic is a better car for bad weather....as would most FF cars be.
So to sum it up, FR cars are better for track driving, good weather around town, and spirited driving in general. If you enjoy driving hard, and driving a sports car like it should be driven, FR is the superior choice. FF cars are good every day cars, especially for around town in the city and such. In inclement weather, especially snow, they do surprisingly well. Not as good as an AWD/4WD vehicle, but they do well enough to get by.
Hope that helps you out.
Driveability:
Putting around town, stop and go traffic you really wouldn't notice a difference between the two. In hard driving, especially hard acceleration, the FR car is superior hands down. All of the weight shifts to the back of the car when accelerating, and provides more traction over the drive wheels. When I accelerate hard in the civic, there is a hint of torque steer--it would be worse if the damn car had more power (it was really bad in my MSP).
Driving hard on the track and through canyons is also totally different. The FF car understeers horribly, and makes it more difficult to turn the car through corners at high speeds. The FR car just glides through, and is quite easy to break the rear end loose and create a "drift" by initiating oversteer, and correcting with a countersteer while accelerating through the turn. Burnouts are very easy (although I rarely do them) and donuts are as well. If I wanted to do that in my civic I'd need some food trays from McDonald's.
Economy
Well, the RX-8 is notorious for getting less than mediocre gas mileage. I chalk it up to be the drivetrain, and the high power rotary. Tires also seem to wear noticeably quicker. Conversely, the civic is famous for being a gas sipper. The tires seem to wear reasonably, probably due to its less aggressive suspension set up, and alignment settings.
Inclement Weather
Although the RX-8 comes with Dynamic Stability Control, and Traction Control I would never dream of driving it in snow. When it rains I tend to slip and slide. I currently am on the Bridgestone RE040 Potenzas, which are terrible in the wet, but I still wouldn't feel comfortable even with all season tires. Just the other night, I had the stability control off and nearly spun out on a patch of wet leaves while accelerating out of a parking lot. FR cars take alot more driver skill and control--that which honestly, I could still learn a thing or two about.
The civic however, is always composed in the wet. Aside from the usual hydroplane, the car never really loses it's rear end in a slide of any kind. Well, not unless you're being stupid. I'd be willing to bet with alot more power, and torque steer of course, the car would be a huge handful in bad weather. Because of it's mild road manners, I think the civic is a better car for bad weather....as would most FF cars be.
So to sum it up, FR cars are better for track driving, good weather around town, and spirited driving in general. If you enjoy driving hard, and driving a sports car like it should be driven, FR is the superior choice. FF cars are good every day cars, especially for around town in the city and such. In inclement weather, especially snow, they do surprisingly well. Not as good as an AWD/4WD vehicle, but they do well enough to get by.
Hope that helps you out.
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Rep Power: 380 From a pure Physics stand point there is absolutly no reason a FWD chassis cant pull as many G's in a corner as a RWD chassis. The biggest problem with FWD doesnt deal with its handling but rather with it putting down power...when you have an engine that is putting down Higher HP/torque then FWD is not the chassis you want it in
The handling differences of FWD Vs RWD deal more with how each chassis reacts to cornering with power on (Adding throttle while cornering). RWD, with some exceptions, tendes to oversteer when you apply throttle in a trun. FWD tends to Understeere when you applyl throttle in a turn. Because of this you have to drive and react differently in a FWD car Vs a RWD car. so people who have driven RWD typicaly hate FWD because all of the instints and reactions they learned with RWD have a completly different effects when you apply them to FWD.
and This has been coverd Before
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ling++drifting
The handling differences of FWD Vs RWD deal more with how each chassis reacts to cornering with power on (Adding throttle while cornering). RWD, with some exceptions, tendes to oversteer when you apply throttle in a trun. FWD tends to Understeere when you applyl throttle in a turn. Because of this you have to drive and react differently in a FWD car Vs a RWD car. so people who have driven RWD typicaly hate FWD because all of the instints and reactions they learned with RWD have a completly different effects when you apply them to FWD.
and This has been coverd Before
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ling++drifting
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