Haters admit they love our hondas......***READ***
Thread Starter
ALGARETE
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,375
Likes: 0
From: SIN CITY ( LYNN, MASS )
Rep Power: 340 
Haters admit they love our hondas......***READ***
this is on page 13 of the new eurotuner mag
who has better engines?
thats right **** the big H
who has better engines?
thats right **** the big H
Last edited by PICHY; Nov 21, 2004 at 01:11 PM.
cool aricle and yes honda makes the best engines out of al the car brands in the world probably toyota comes second but since the supra was taken off and the celica became ugly as hell and th mr2 is just not good enough toyota/lexus is just fot the luxury family oriented person
Originally Posted by wrussi
cool aricle and yes honda makes the best engines out of al the car brands in the world probably toyota comes second but since the supra was taken off and the celica became ugly as hell and th mr2 is just not good enough toyota/lexus is just fot the luxury family oriented person
Why is my vagina bleeding?
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,582
Likes: 0
From: Montreal
Rep Power: 305
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
I will disagree on that one... I love my accord and civic, but my Toyota's engines much better. Honda's engines are less efficient than Toyotas, thats why toyota's 225 horses are equivalent to hondas 240. I'm glad that Honda's finally starting to bring in the DOHC though, about time.
Yo dude Honda is known for its drivetrains. And 225 hp is 225 hp engine and 240 hp engine is a 240 horse engine. it doesn't matter if the engine is sohc mohc or blohc. Honda keep in mind has a 2.0 litre engine pushing 220hp(integra type R) and Honda does it reliabily and fuel economically. The lotus elise comes with the celica GTS engine, there are some with a k20a swap but its not street legal. Honda engines might not be pushing huge numbers, but we can never question their effeciency.
Originally Posted by nindoo
... And 225 hp is 225 hp engine and 240 hp engine is a 240 horse engine. it doesn't matter if the engine is sohc mohc or blohc.
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
Originally Posted by wrussi
cool aricle and yes honda makes the best engines out of al the car brands in the world
Don't get me wrong, I love Japanese technologies but in terms of engines, the best engines are produced by the Germans, and by far.
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
I will disagree on that one... I love my accord and civic, but my Toyota's engines much better. Honda's engines are less efficient than Toyotas, thats why toyota's 225 horses are equivalent to hondas 240. I'm glad that Honda's finally starting to bring in the DOHC though, about time.
Honda has been doing DOHC since at least 1983 so I'm not sure what you're talking about on that front.
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
What are you talking about? ofcourse it matters if the engine is double overhead cam or single!
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
Did it ever occur to you that factors other than peak engine output affect a car's acceleration? Try vehicle weight for starters, then gearing, and once we gain an understanding of basic physics we'll start looking at the area under the torque curve instead of peak horsepower numbers.
Last edited by watermelonman; Nov 22, 2004 at 12:23 AM.
Originally Posted by watermelonman
I guess Yamaha engines must be roughly 4 times more powerful than Toyota engines, because with only half the horsepower the R6 will hit 60mph in under half the time of the Camry.
Did it ever occur to you that factors other than peak engine output affect a car's acceleration? Try vehicle weight for starters, then gearing, and once we gain an understanding of basic physics we'll start looking at the area under the torque curve instead of peak horsepower numbers.
Did it ever occur to you that factors other than peak engine output affect a car's acceleration? Try vehicle weight for starters, then gearing, and once we gain an understanding of basic physics we'll start looking at the area under the torque curve instead of peak horsepower numbers.
Originally Posted by watermelonman
Honda has been doing DOHC since at least 1983 so I'm not sure what you're talking about on that front.
05 civic - sohc I4
05 accord - 3L sohc V6
05 Odyssey - 3.5 sohc V6
Pilot - 3.5 sohc V6
I'm sure they've built a DOHC before... but where are they exactly?
The only dohc engines are in the prelude and S2000, and look how amazing they are. Other manufacturers stopped building sohcs a while back and offer dohc in their every model. And having a double overhead cam is important if you want to get the most out of vtec.
[QUOTE=watermelonman]1 horsepower is 550 ft-lbs per second regardless of who made the engine. Perhaps you've failed to look at the torque curves of the engines in question, and are making incorrect assumptions about the power output based on other factors.
Sorry, I don't need physics classes from you. And I see you love analyzing torque curves. If you do, why don't you go analyze one between a V6 camry and a V6 accord that we were talking about earlier. You're not exactly that good at what you like to do, are you? The camry produces way more torque than the accord, and with less power. And this is no R6 i'm comparing a toyota engine to, its an accord. And to add to that, the camry even weighs more than an accord and can still match it.
I love Hondas too, but I'm not going to be bias about it.
Originally Posted by watermelonman
I guess Yamaha engines must be roughly 4 times more powerful than Toyota engines, because with only half the horsepower the R6 will hit 60mph in under half the time of the Camry.
Did it ever occur to you that factors other than peak engine output affect a car's acceleration? Try vehicle weight for starters, then gearing, and once we gain an understanding of basic physics we'll start looking at the area under the torque curve instead of peak horsepower numbers.
Did it ever occur to you that factors other than peak engine output affect a car's acceleration? Try vehicle weight for starters, then gearing, and once we gain an understanding of basic physics we'll start looking at the area under the torque curve instead of peak horsepower numbers.
I love Hondas too, but I'm not going to be bias about it.
Last edited by kasimmmmm; Nov 22, 2004 at 11:13 AM.
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
Originally Posted by Rsxtc
Quite possibly the dumbest thing i've read today.
Why is my vagina bleeding?
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,582
Likes: 0
From: Montreal
Rep Power: 305
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
What are you talking about? ofcourse it matters if the engine is double overhead cam or single!
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
thats like saying that 50 pounds of feathers are lighter than 50 pounds of bricks. 1 horsepower = 1 horsepower, just like 1 inch = 1 inch its just the was the system works.
There are other factors that are involved in a cars ability to pick up speed. Whats the final drive ratio? what is weight of both cars? whats the torque on each cars? Where does it peak? Which takes advantage of gearing? Also keep in mind 240-225 is only 15 HP!.
Do you have an option for a 6 speed gearbox in a camry cause you have one in a accord. Let me tell you that thing will leave some dust.
Last edited by nindoo; Nov 22, 2004 at 11:36 AM.
who's saying that 1hp is not equal to another hp. I clearly said that honda's engine need to be a little more efficient, in the sense that a lot of hp is lost by the time it gets to the wheel.
Why is my vagina bleeding?
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,582
Likes: 0
From: Montreal
Rep Power: 305
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
who's saying that 1hp is not equal to another hp. I clearly said that honda's engine need to be a little more efficient, in the sense that a lot of hp is lost by the time it gets to the wheel.
what does sohcs dohc blohc have anything to do with how the power gets to the wheel and how power is lost? Thats inneficient so an SUV that pushes 250 hp is not and efficient engine cause it can't do 0-60 in 7 seconds like a camry. I don't get your logic. Is your reasoning based on fuel consumption?
What if one car weighs more? And there is the whole torque and did you get the 0-60 specs from the same place. Cause getting one spec from one place and comparing to the accord spec in another article does not have any value. Where did you see the specs?
the 6 speed manual does 0-60 in 6.2 it will give a dude in mustang GT a run for his money.
Last edited by nindoo; Nov 22, 2004 at 11:51 AM.
