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Originally Posted by nindoo
what does sohcs dohc blohc have anything to do with how the power gets to the wheel and how power is lost? Thats inneficient so an SUV that pushes 250 hp is not and efficient engine cause it can't do 0-60 in 7 seconds like a camry. I don't get your logic.
What if one car weighs more? And there is the whole torque and did you get the 0-60 specs from the same place. Cause getting one spec from one place and comparing to the accord spec in another article does not have any value. Where did you see the specs?
the 6 speed manual does 0-60 in 6.2 it will give a dude in mustang GT a run for his money.
Why are you comparing an SUV to a sedan? Now stop talking, you're making yourself look like an idiot.
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there is a 15 hp diff.
you said one engine was more efficient thatn the other. If two engines weight the same have the power.
Now you’re changing what you saying. You said 225hp shoc is not as powerful as 225hp dohc. Now you’re going back on what you said to try and justify yourself and you’re moving away from what you said because you know it is utterly ridiculous.
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I can tell you right now that Toyota trannys suck. My friend has a 2004 matrix and already had the tranny out of it(auto) and toyota wouldn't cover it cause he put an aftermarket shifter ****.
All i have to say is i would rather have a reliable and safe car over speed. All my friend have VW and trust me they hold up for what they are.
And if the camry has more torque and 15 less hp and lighter then a accord i would think it would be faster or just as good. I would think it was lighter anyways.
All i have to say is i would rather have a reliable and safe car over speed. All my friend have VW and trust me they hold up for what they are.
And if the camry has more torque and 15 less hp and lighter then a accord i would think it would be faster or just as good. I would think it was lighter anyways.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Sorry, I don't need physics classes from you. And I see you love analyzing torque curves. If you do, why don't you go analyze one between a V6 camry and a V6 accord that we were talking about earlier. You're not exactly that good at what you like to do, are you? The camry produces way more torque than the accord, and with less power. And this is no R6 i'm comparing a toyota engine to, its an accord. And to add to that, the camry even weighs more than an accord and can still match it.
I love Hondas too, but I'm not going to be bias about it.
I love Hondas too, but I'm not going to be bias about it.
If I am not mistaken, in order to determine the efficiency, you have to look into the power at wheel. That is, you have to have the dyno result.
The spec you have shown is perhaps something you got on the internet, and you clear said the power unit is HP, right? That is not the unit you should use to determine efficiency.
Well, if you want to talk about power loss, then you have to get the power output AT WHEEL.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
What are you talking about? ofcourse it matters if the engine is double overhead cam or single!
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
What are you talking about? ofcourse it matters if the engine is double overhead cam or single!
I'm not bashing honda's engines, I own a civic and an accord and I love 'em. But without being bias, Toyota has better engines. Lets talk in terms of performance. A V6 accord produces 240HP and does 0-60 in 7 secs. A V6 camry with only 225 can do 0-60 in the same amount of time. Honda needs to pump so much more power to do what a Toyota engine can do with little.
Buddy.. thats a fact that you're bolding in that statement. Thanks! Whats false about that statement? Man you need 
. And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel.
I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
Whats false about that statement? Man you need . And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel. I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
Last edited by kasimmmmm; Nov 22, 2004 at 12:17 PM.
lol it seems we can get to a point
i agree with some of you guys that toyotas and nissan engines are better but it depends on which ways: reliability performance transmissions etc... take a look at this:
c35a NSX type r: 300bhp no turbo
rb26dett r33skyline gtr spec vII : 290bhp twin turbo (what would happen if u take out the turbos??
k20a ITR :225bhp (05 model)
sr20det silvia s14: not really sure about the hp numbers but about the same with turbo!
f20c1 s200: 240bhp
neon srt-4 240bhp with turbo!
b18c5 USDM integra type r engine 185bhp
vw gti 1.8t about 170bhp with turbo!
acura tl and 330ci (05 models)
there are others....
see in a world without turbos honda engines will beat all of the other "super engines out there" and lets say honda put turbos on all of this engines imagine what the hp numbers will be it will beat all of those engines!
and even the way they are right now honda engines keep up with engines with even twin turbos!!!
about german bmw and mercedes:
a 323 with a 2.4L I6 making 170bhp U call that a good engine? in honda's hands that engine would be doing arround 200 hp example a I4 k24a2!!!
the m3 i respect...
amg engines have such hp munbers because of their dispacement size 4.0^ any engine that big must have lots of hp
i agree with some of you guys that toyotas and nissan engines are better but it depends on which ways: reliability performance transmissions etc... take a look at this:
c35a NSX type r: 300bhp no turbo
rb26dett r33skyline gtr spec vII : 290bhp twin turbo (what would happen if u take out the turbos??
k20a ITR :225bhp (05 model)
sr20det silvia s14: not really sure about the hp numbers but about the same with turbo!
f20c1 s200: 240bhp
neon srt-4 240bhp with turbo!
b18c5 USDM integra type r engine 185bhp
vw gti 1.8t about 170bhp with turbo!
acura tl and 330ci (05 models)
there are others....
see in a world without turbos honda engines will beat all of the other "super engines out there" and lets say honda put turbos on all of this engines imagine what the hp numbers will be it will beat all of those engines!
and even the way they are right now honda engines keep up with engines with even twin turbos!!!
about german bmw and mercedes:
a 323 with a 2.4L I6 making 170bhp U call that a good engine? in honda's hands that engine would be doing arround 200 hp example a I4 k24a2!!!
the m3 i respect...
amg engines have such hp munbers because of their dispacement size 4.0^ any engine that big must have lots of hp
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Rep Power: 337 You can't compare Toyota's 3.3L engine vs. Honda's 3.0L engine. Thats like comparing apples and oranges. You need to look at engine's with similar displacements. If you don't, the car with the larger displacement is going to have more torque (and probably a better torque and horsepower graph).
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
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Originally Posted by wrussi
lol it seems we can get to a point
i agree with some of you guys that toyotas and nissan engines are better but it depends on which ways: reliability performance transmissions etc... take a look at this:
c35a NSX type r: 300bhp no turbo
rb26dett r33skyline gtr spec vII : 290bhp twin turbo (what would happen if u take out the turbos??
k20a ITR :225bhp (05 model)
sr20det silvia s14: not really sure about the hp numbers but about the same with turbo!
f20c1 s200: 240bhp
neon srt-4 240bhp with turbo!
b18c5 USDM integra type r engine 185bhp
vw gti 1.8t about 170bhp with turbo!
acura tl and 330ci (05 models)
there are others....
see in a world without turbos honda engines will beat all of the other "super engines out there" and lets say honda put turbos on all of this engines imagine what the hp numbers will be it will beat all of those engines!
and even the way they are right now honda engines keep up with engines with even twin turbos!!!
about german bmw and mercedes:
a 323 with a 2.4L I6 making 170bhp U call that a good engine? in honda's hands that engine would be doing arround 200 hp example a I4 k24a2!!!
the m3 i respect...
amg engines have such hp munbers because of their dispacement size 4.0^ any engine that big must have lots of hp
i agree with some of you guys that toyotas and nissan engines are better but it depends on which ways: reliability performance transmissions etc... take a look at this:
c35a NSX type r: 300bhp no turbo
rb26dett r33skyline gtr spec vII : 290bhp twin turbo (what would happen if u take out the turbos??
k20a ITR :225bhp (05 model)
sr20det silvia s14: not really sure about the hp numbers but about the same with turbo!
f20c1 s200: 240bhp
neon srt-4 240bhp with turbo!
b18c5 USDM integra type r engine 185bhp
vw gti 1.8t about 170bhp with turbo!
acura tl and 330ci (05 models)
there are others....
see in a world without turbos honda engines will beat all of the other "super engines out there" and lets say honda put turbos on all of this engines imagine what the hp numbers will be it will beat all of those engines!
and even the way they are right now honda engines keep up with engines with even twin turbos!!!
about german bmw and mercedes:
a 323 with a 2.4L I6 making 170bhp U call that a good engine? in honda's hands that engine would be doing arround 200 hp example a I4 k24a2!!!
the m3 i respect...
amg engines have such hp munbers because of their dispacement size 4.0^ any engine that big must have lots of hp
Or to make it simpler, what would the turbo engines produce if they didn't have the turbos, thus making them N/A.
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Originally Posted by cambo
You can't compare Toyota's 3.3L engine vs. Honda's 3.0L engine. Thats like comparing apples and oranges. You need to look at engine's with similar displacements. If you don't, the car with the larger displacement is going to have more torque (and probably a better torque and horsepower graph).
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Buddy.. thats a fact that you're bolding in that statement. Thanks! Whats false about that statement? Man you need . And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel.
I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
Whats false about that statement? Man you need . And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel. I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
So I guess you had no logical comback so as you usual you has to resort to try an dmock me.
Oh well
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Buddy.. thats a fact that you're bolding in that statement. Thanks! Whats false about that statement? Man you need . And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel.
I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
Whats false about that statement? Man you need . And if you read properly, I'm talking being efficient in getting the power to the wheel. I think you enjoy getting smoked. Its obvious that you don't know jack **** about cars because you compared an SUV to a sedan. Then said that cams don't matter. Go back to basics. If thats what you'll be doing, there's a lot you need to learn.
So I guess you had no logical comback so as you usual you has to resort to try and twist my words and use pretty insults.
Oh well
Last edited by nindoo; Nov 22, 2004 at 12:48 PM.
Originally Posted by cambo
You can't compare Toyota's 3.3L engine vs. Honda's 3.0L engine. Thats like comparing apples and oranges. You need to look at engine's with similar displacements. If you don't, the car with the larger displacement is going to have more torque (and probably a better torque and horsepower graph).
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
So, I'm going to lay it all out for you.
Honda 3.0L V6
240 horespower
212 ft lbs torque @ 5000 rpm
Max Horsepower: 6250 rpm
Toyota 3.0L V6
210 horsepower
220 ft lbs torque @ 4400 rpm
Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm
Now you can see that toyota's engine is making 30 less horsepower than Honda's similar engine. You'll also notice that toyota is producing 8 more ft. lbs torque than Honda. This is because the goal of different manufactuers are different.
You'll find these to engines in Toyota's Camry mated with an automatic tranny or Honda's Accord mated with a manual tranny. So even then you can't really compare the two engine's or the cars' 0-60 times. Well, you can compare them, but its pointless. The camry was made to be a family car, while the accord was made to be more sporty (read: 6 sp. tranny).
So basically, the arguements in this thread have been pointless.
You're talking about camry's engine which was in the 02. Thats old news. Why don't you compare the 04/05 V6 with the accord 04/05 engine?
Originally Posted by nindoo
Like I'll say for the hundreath time a 100hp shoc engine has the same horsepower as 100hp dohc engine. If you don't get it, then I guess there is no hope for you.
So I guess you had no logical comback so as you usual you has to resort to try and twist my words and use pretty insults.
Oh well
So I guess you had no logical comback so as you usual you has to resort to try and twist my words and use pretty insults.
Oh well
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
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Rep Power: 0 I'm just curious but you have this:
Accord V6 = 240
Camry V6 = 210 0r 225 or whatever it is.
They both are 3.0l and V6 so wouldn't the one making the most horsepower be more efficient when they are both basicly the same motor? Now if you are talking about who can get where faster with less power, wouldn't that only include gearing and weight? I'm serious, I'm not saying one is better than the other, but this is how I understand it, if its wrong then correct me please.
Accord V6 = 240
Camry V6 = 210 0r 225 or whatever it is.
They both are 3.0l and V6 so wouldn't the one making the most horsepower be more efficient when they are both basicly the same motor? Now if you are talking about who can get where faster with less power, wouldn't that only include gearing and weight? I'm serious, I'm not saying one is better than the other, but this is how I understand it, if its wrong then correct me please.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
You're talking about camry's engine which was in the 02. Thats old news. Why don't you compare the 04/05 V6 with the accord 04/05 engine?
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/hond...enav..8.Honda*
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/toyo...nav..8.Toyota*
both are 2005s actually. Like i said before, its pointless to compare to engines of different displacements. You just cant do it.
these ppl copied and pasted the old specs for the 04/05camry specs
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Let me give you classes on cams.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
A 100 hp sohc engine still has the same horsepower has a 100hp dohc. If one engineer decided he needed dualoverhead camshafts for one particular design to meet a specification while for the another design he used single overhead cams.
DOHC SOHC BLOHC MOHC all you want 100hp is 100hp. 50 pounds of feathers = 50 pounds of rocks. Logic is logic. Now not admitting when your wrong............
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
these ppl copied and pasted the old specs for the 04/05camry specs
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
Last edited by nindoo; Nov 22, 2004 at 01:15 PM.
Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Let me give you classes on cams.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
Wow, this thread is full of retarded comments. Even if you perhaps do know what you are talking about you are not conveying it in your words. You sound like a bunch of idiots. Kasimm...Are you implying that the SOHC honda engines do not have 4 valves per cylinder? Cuz, thats what I'm getting from your post. It is possible to have 4 valves per cylinder using a SOHC.
No one can really say who makes the BEST engines. This is all in the eye of the beholder. There are many different persepctives which can change your idea of what makes a good engine. Is it horsepower,torque,displacment, cost, refinement, simplicity, noise level, vibration, creative features, fuel efficiency? Come on guys, this could be argued forever. Hows about kasimm and nindoo brush up on the technical side, and pay more attention to what you are trying to say. Its not coming across very clear.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
these ppl copied and pasted the old specs for the 04/05camry specs
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
Engines
dohc V6 3.3
Horsepower 225 @ 5600
Torque (lb-ft) 240 @ 3600
5-speed automatic 21/29
The 3L only gets sold in the southern states and mexico. The 1MZ-FE is an old engine.
Well then wouldn't that make the Accord engine that much more efficient since the engine has less displacement but making more power. So if the Camry weighs more then that would mean that it would be geared more aggressively since it has less power but weighs more but still be able to be just as fast as the Accord? Lol, this gives me a headache.
To me it looks like that the engine in the Accord is more efficient because it makes more power and the drive train in the Camry is more efficient because it has less power but can give the same results as the Accord, if that even makes sense. Then again I could be all wrong, lol. Really, what does it matter? Both cars are great at what they do and you can't go wrong with either one, its just preference.
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No one can really say who makes the BEST engines. This is all in the eye of the beholder. There are many different persepctives which can change your idea of what makes a good engine. Is it horsepower,torque,displacment, cost, refinement, simplicity, noise level, vibration, creative features, fuel efficiency?.........Its not coming across very clear.
Lol, I was trying to go for this but I couldn't figure out how to word it.
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Originally Posted by JP375
No one can really say who makes the BEST engines. This is all in the eye of the beholder. There are many different persepctives which can change your idea of what makes a good engine. Is it horsepower,torque,displacment, cost, refinement, simplicity, noise level, vibration, creative features, fuel efficiency? Come on guys, this could be argued forever. Hows about kasimm and nindoo brush up on the technical side, and pay more attention to what you are trying to say. Its not coming across very clear.
I mentioned some of those very concerns in my earlier posts. How can you simply label one engine more efficient than another simply from the cam configuration? It was mentioned that 100hp dohc engine developed more hp than 100 hp sohcs engine. I immediately pointed out that 100hp is 100hp irregardless of cam configuration.
I started off with sain posts like yourself but it has escalated to this. I will no longer post in this thread.
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Originally Posted by kasimmmmm
Let me give you classes on cams.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
DOHC stands for Double Overhead Camshaft. Now there are 2 camshafts per header. So in an inline there are 2 camshafts because there is only one header, but there is 4 in a V-type or flat engine. These DOHC engines usually have 4 valves. One camshaft for the exhaust valves and the other for the intake valves.
The engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently.
With a double valve train (camshaft, lifters, pushrods (if present) rockers, valves and springs) there is an advantage to light weight. A valve will be opening 1500 times a minute (25 times a second) at highway cruising speeds (3000 RPM). If the valvetrain weighs a lot, when the camshaft lifts it, it will just keep on going up until the spring finally catches it. That could be a lot of looseness.
I remember fact about Toyota engine being smoother. However, you really need to find out the number of HORSE POWER AT THE WHEEL to talk about efficiency. Otherwise, for 2 equal size engine, the one which makes more HP is more efficient.
Please just find out the HORSE POWER AT THE WHEEL of these 2 cars; otherwise you can't sound convincing.
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Rep Power: 327 How the hell did this turn into a Camy vs Accord thread? We should all stop talking about this because there is little correct information going on here.
The Honda has an amazing naturally aspirated engine line. Plain and simple. Whether is DOHC or SOHC, for the same displacement, it's hard for other companies to match the HP that Honda can make. EX - 200HP K20 RSX-S, vs a TURBO 2.0L Mazdaspeed. Both 2 litres, but one with 7psi of boost. And that car only made 170hp. See where I'm coming from?
DOHC is only for the CAMSHAFTS. SOHC is for the CAMSHAFTS. One layout has an intake camshaft and exhaust camshaft, the other (single) has one camshaft for both.
The Honda has an amazing naturally aspirated engine line. Plain and simple. Whether is DOHC or SOHC, for the same displacement, it's hard for other companies to match the HP that Honda can make. EX - 200HP K20 RSX-S, vs a TURBO 2.0L Mazdaspeed. Both 2 litres, but one with 7psi of boost. And that car only made 170hp. See where I'm coming from?
DOHC is only for the CAMSHAFTS. SOHC is for the CAMSHAFTS. One layout has an intake camshaft and exhaust camshaft, the other (single) has one camshaft for both.
