which car to buy????
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which car to buy????
hey, got a question for all of you guys
i'm think about buying a 03 Passat gls automatic for $16400. it has only 8000 miles on it and has leather seats. do you think it's worth trading in my 02 civic lx automatic, and get that car? or do you guys have other choices of cars for that amount???
thanks in advance
i'm think about buying a 03 Passat gls automatic for $16400. it has only 8000 miles on it and has leather seats. do you think it's worth trading in my 02 civic lx automatic, and get that car? or do you guys have other choices of cars for that amount???
thanks in advance
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Rep Power: 275 Why is that Passat so damn cheap? Don't those things go for around 30K? It's only one season old. Besides.....Passats are chick cars or cars for corny stuck-up business class guys. Depends what you're looking for but it's just my dumb a$$ opinion.
I think the Passat would be a very nice car if you go for that style. However, I am concerned about the price. It does seem fairly low for such a vehicle. Has it been in an accident? If it is really nice and it really is just an excellent deal then I say get it if you like it. It would definately be a step up from your lx civic.
well the passat will definately give you more luxury. Its way better than a civic. But I do feel that there are better cars than the Passat out there, but thats just my opinion. Have you considered the accord, camry or altima?
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Also, they are fairly expensive to repair when something goes wrong.
I'd say look around for something else, unless you can afford the extra price for everything that will go wrong.
I'd say look around for something else, unless you can afford the extra price for everything that will go wrong.
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Originally Posted by equetefue
DO NOT BUY A VW !!!
they are very nice cars. Looks awesome and have a lot of entry level luxury.But they are very very unreliable .
that's why the prices are so cheap
they are very nice cars. Looks awesome and have a lot of entry level luxury.But they are very very unreliable .
that's why the prices are so cheap
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Ir find something on this list and match the car to it.
http://www.superchargersonline.com/superchargers.asp
Ir find something on this list and match the car to it.
http://www.superchargersonline.com/superchargers.asp
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Rep Power: 297 I think Passat is pretty lexury and it has some prestige, however, let me quote you:
"LEMONS
FACT: About one in one thousand VWs and Audis are certified for lemon claims. VW sold 338,000 vehicles in the US in 2002. Odds are, 338 of them will end up in a lemon claim.
Several state government post exhaustive reports on their web sites about lemon law claims. I have read 2001 annual reports for New York, Hawaii and Texas and a 10 year report for New Jersey (1989-1999)
Here are some real numbers
In New Jersey, from 1989-1998 one in every 993 VWs/Audis registered had a comlaint serious to be heard as a lemon case.
This compares to one in every 1,037 Fords, one in 1,406 for GM.
Toyota/Lexus (oh aren't they wonderful!) had a ten year lemon rate of 1 per 4,911, while Chrysler sucked big time at 1 in 392 registrations.
With 2.7% of the market, VW/Audi has 3% of the lemons
Turning just to 2001, things are a bit different:
In Texas in 2001 VWs held 1.3% of the total vehicle market (cars, trucks, Winnebagos, etc). Yet they produced 2.97% of all lemon complaints and resulted in 6% of all buy backs or vehicle replacements.
In New York state VWs/Audis represented just 1% of lemon cases, or 3 of 298, and 1.6% of all buybacks and replacements since 1987. Similar figures apply in Florida & Hawaii.
Here in Canada we don't have lemon laws, but consumers can go through the Canadian Automotive Vehicle Arbitration Program (CAMVAP) for a similar type of recourse against bad vehicles. In 2001 VWs represented 2.2% of complaints and 2.4% of awards, with one buyback for all of Canada.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? My reading of the data suggests that VWs become certified lemon cases at just slightly higher than their indicence in the market place. They do way better than Chrysler, a bit worse than GM, and WAY worse than Honda, Toyota and Subaru.
CONCLUSION: VW = FORD
CHRONIC RELIABILITY PROBLEMS
Besides certified lemons, people on this site complain of many different things going wrong on the same car, making a lemon case impossible and a migraine inevitable.
THE FACTS
In a recent, confidential survey of Canadian automobile dealers, VW dealers gave their product the lowest relaibility rating of all vehicles
Looking at the NHSTA complaints database there are 184 complaints on file for the 2002 Jetta and a whopping 296 (!!!) for the 2002 Passat. Compare this to 175 for the 2002 Ford Focus, 34 for the 2002 Corolla, and only 37 for the oft-maligned Hyundai Elantra.
Over on the VWvortex, which contrary to accepted wisdom here, actually does have some thinking members who are not blnded by VW dazzle, the complants threads go on and on (sorry, this is more anectdotal evidence than stats) - transmission problems, MAF failures, electrical gremlins, stuff falling off, etc. About once a week there is a dedicated VW owner posting "I've had enough, I'm bailing" and many people are actually warned not to buy VWs because of the reliability issue.
Reliability ratings have been downgraded at Consumers Reports, and the latest JD Power initial quality figures put VW 10 points below the industry average.
Yet remarkably, 90% of Canadian VW/Audi owners say , they would purchase the same vehicle again.
CONCLUSION: I think Mr. Up-the-River knows more about cars than I do, and while he may get a bit cranky about how ALL VWs are now a POS, he has a point. The facts show - these cars break down way more than average- heck they break down as much as Fords
RESALE VALUE
I was interested in seeing what kind of a hit people are taking when unloading these beautiful losers, so I looked at resale prices in Toronto and Chicago (love that Auto Trader eh?) Here's a comparison of
a) Jetta GLS, 2.0 manual
b) Toyota Corolla CE (the mythical reasle value champ)
c) Ford Taurus SE (the chump?)
These are typical prices, offered at major dealers. I'll do US first, then Canada. The percentage figure in brackets is the cost of the used car as a percentage of MRSP for a 2003 model
CHICAGO
Jetta GLS
1996 - $6,000 (32%)
1998 - $8,500 (45%)
2000 - $14,000 (74%)
2003 - $18,800 (MRSP)
Toyota Corolla
1996 - $6,000 (39%)
1998 - $8,000 (53%)
2000 - $10,000 (66%)
2003 - $15,200 (MRSP)
Ford Taurus
1996 - $4,500 (22%)
1998 - $6,000 (29%)
2000 - $10,000 (50%)
2003 - $20,700 (MRSP)
TORONTO (Canadian dollar = 71 cents US)
Jetta GLS
1996 - $9,000 (38%)
1998 - $12,000 (50%)
2000 - $17,500 (73%)
2003 - $24,000 (MRSP)
Toyota Corolla
1996 - $9,000 (45%)
1998 - $11,500 (58%)
2000 - $16,000 (80%)
2003 - $20,000 (MRSP)
Ford Taurus
1996 - $6,000 (23%)
1998 - $8,000 (30%)
2000 - $14,000 (53%)
2003 - $26,600 (MRSP)
WHAT DOES IT MEAN: Unless the sky falls (and you guys actually get a class action suit going) you can expect to be able to unload your Jetta for about a 7 or 8% worse depreciation hit than if you owned a Corolla, AND it will hold its value better than a
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"LEMONS
FACT: About one in one thousand VWs and Audis are certified for lemon claims. VW sold 338,000 vehicles in the US in 2002. Odds are, 338 of them will end up in a lemon claim.
Several state government post exhaustive reports on their web sites about lemon law claims. I have read 2001 annual reports for New York, Hawaii and Texas and a 10 year report for New Jersey (1989-1999)
Here are some real numbers
In New Jersey, from 1989-1998 one in every 993 VWs/Audis registered had a comlaint serious to be heard as a lemon case.
This compares to one in every 1,037 Fords, one in 1,406 for GM.
Toyota/Lexus (oh aren't they wonderful!) had a ten year lemon rate of 1 per 4,911, while Chrysler sucked big time at 1 in 392 registrations.
With 2.7% of the market, VW/Audi has 3% of the lemons
Turning just to 2001, things are a bit different:
In Texas in 2001 VWs held 1.3% of the total vehicle market (cars, trucks, Winnebagos, etc). Yet they produced 2.97% of all lemon complaints and resulted in 6% of all buy backs or vehicle replacements.
In New York state VWs/Audis represented just 1% of lemon cases, or 3 of 298, and 1.6% of all buybacks and replacements since 1987. Similar figures apply in Florida & Hawaii.
Here in Canada we don't have lemon laws, but consumers can go through the Canadian Automotive Vehicle Arbitration Program (CAMVAP) for a similar type of recourse against bad vehicles. In 2001 VWs represented 2.2% of complaints and 2.4% of awards, with one buyback for all of Canada.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? My reading of the data suggests that VWs become certified lemon cases at just slightly higher than their indicence in the market place. They do way better than Chrysler, a bit worse than GM, and WAY worse than Honda, Toyota and Subaru.
CONCLUSION: VW = FORD
CHRONIC RELIABILITY PROBLEMS
Besides certified lemons, people on this site complain of many different things going wrong on the same car, making a lemon case impossible and a migraine inevitable.
THE FACTS
In a recent, confidential survey of Canadian automobile dealers, VW dealers gave their product the lowest relaibility rating of all vehicles
Looking at the NHSTA complaints database there are 184 complaints on file for the 2002 Jetta and a whopping 296 (!!!) for the 2002 Passat. Compare this to 175 for the 2002 Ford Focus, 34 for the 2002 Corolla, and only 37 for the oft-maligned Hyundai Elantra.
Over on the VWvortex, which contrary to accepted wisdom here, actually does have some thinking members who are not blnded by VW dazzle, the complants threads go on and on (sorry, this is more anectdotal evidence than stats) - transmission problems, MAF failures, electrical gremlins, stuff falling off, etc. About once a week there is a dedicated VW owner posting "I've had enough, I'm bailing" and many people are actually warned not to buy VWs because of the reliability issue.
Reliability ratings have been downgraded at Consumers Reports, and the latest JD Power initial quality figures put VW 10 points below the industry average.
Yet remarkably, 90% of Canadian VW/Audi owners say , they would purchase the same vehicle again.
CONCLUSION: I think Mr. Up-the-River knows more about cars than I do, and while he may get a bit cranky about how ALL VWs are now a POS, he has a point. The facts show - these cars break down way more than average- heck they break down as much as Fords
RESALE VALUE
I was interested in seeing what kind of a hit people are taking when unloading these beautiful losers, so I looked at resale prices in Toronto and Chicago (love that Auto Trader eh?) Here's a comparison of
a) Jetta GLS, 2.0 manual
b) Toyota Corolla CE (the mythical reasle value champ)
c) Ford Taurus SE (the chump?)
These are typical prices, offered at major dealers. I'll do US first, then Canada. The percentage figure in brackets is the cost of the used car as a percentage of MRSP for a 2003 model
CHICAGO
Jetta GLS
1996 - $6,000 (32%)
1998 - $8,500 (45%)
2000 - $14,000 (74%)
2003 - $18,800 (MRSP)
Toyota Corolla
1996 - $6,000 (39%)
1998 - $8,000 (53%)
2000 - $10,000 (66%)
2003 - $15,200 (MRSP)
Ford Taurus
1996 - $4,500 (22%)
1998 - $6,000 (29%)
2000 - $10,000 (50%)
2003 - $20,700 (MRSP)
TORONTO (Canadian dollar = 71 cents US)
Jetta GLS
1996 - $9,000 (38%)
1998 - $12,000 (50%)
2000 - $17,500 (73%)
2003 - $24,000 (MRSP)
Toyota Corolla
1996 - $9,000 (45%)
1998 - $11,500 (58%)
2000 - $16,000 (80%)
2003 - $20,000 (MRSP)
Ford Taurus
1996 - $6,000 (23%)
1998 - $8,000 (30%)
2000 - $14,000 (53%)
2003 - $26,600 (MRSP)
WHAT DOES IT MEAN: Unless the sky falls (and you guys actually get a class action suit going) you can expect to be able to unload your Jetta for about a 7 or 8% worse depreciation hit than if you owned a Corolla, AND it will hold its value better than a
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Originally Posted by Steak84SS
Why is that Passat so damn cheap? Don't those things go for around 30K? It's only one season old. Besides.....Passats are chick cars or cars for corny stuck-up business class guys. Depends what you're looking for but it's just my dumb a$$ opinion.
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Rep Power: 0 the owner of the car is going back to her home country, Korea, so she needs to sell that car. and she just selling that car with the price that she gets from the trade in at the dealers. and 16400 is the price they told her. there's nothing wrong with that car.
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Rep Power: 275 ^^^^You know what, if there's nothing wrong with the car, and you're 100% sure of that, that's a hell of a price!!
EDIT: I just looked it up and that price at that mileage is a damn steal.
EDIT: I just looked it up and that price at that mileage is a damn steal.
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Originally Posted by lewal
I think also in 2002 VW started manufacturing from Taiwan... You can draw your own conclusions
haha, you need to verify that info again...
They might be made in Mexico, but it is impossible to be make in Taiwan..
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