Shame we dont have double wishbone.
Shame we dont have double wishbone.
Man I drove a double wishbone suspension car today and realized how much better it is then this mcphearson strut garbage.
Why they decided to change for our generation?
Why they decided to change for our generation?
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before all of you go around bashing Macpherson struts, heres a short list of other car companys that also use them...
BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagon, Audi ect ect ect.......
BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagon, Audi ect ect ect.......
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Rep Power: 344 I was actually digging into a TSX that autocrosses with me, checking out the front suspension setup (double wish bones)....with a welder, talent, and a doner car you could convert your car..... 
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
before all of you go around bashing Macpherson struts, heres a short list of other car companys that also use them...
BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagon, Audi ect ect ect.......
BMW, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagon, Audi ect ect ect.......
just b/c the suspension is a certain way, doesnt mean it's a immediate "bad". The Vette has leaf springs and that car can still handle.
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Rep Power: 0 Having owned a previous gen car with the double wishbone set-up (2000 1.6EL) and now owning a current gen with mac struts up front (2003 1.7EL), I can honestly say the difference between the 2 (stock vs. stock) is not as bad as alot of people seem to think it is. In all honesty, there is next to no difference at all, and yes I drive both cars rather hard.
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Rep Power: 305 What was better about the double wishbone front set up? was the only advantage that it was cheaper to lower the car?
The new Integra type R has a MAC front set up.
The new Integra type R has a MAC front set up.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
What was better about the double wishbone front set up? was the only advantage that it was cheaper to lower the car?
The new Integra type R has a MAC front set up.
The new Integra type R has a MAC front set up.
Ride quality there should be no Perceptible difference between a strut and double wishbone type suspensions...
performance handling, Double wish bone type suspensions have some atributes that play well in to handling and not so well in to Lowering... as in Camber Gain!!
Camber gain is when the suspension compresses and you get Extra negitive camber. You'll notice it on the older civics that were lowered with out camber kits. the cars wheels look like this / \ from the front/back. Struts dont gain much negitive camber as they compress.Camber Gain, BTW, is a good thing when it comes to handling. as it gives you a bit more negitive camber when ever you turn, giveing you just a bit more traction. It also allows you to run less static negitive camber, which helps braking and acceleration.
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Rep Power: 0 i think about this every day... i've driven an integra, and the suspension seemed just a whole lot better than our macstruts...
i wish they would've kept the double wishbone....they did it on the TSX... why not mine?
i wish they would've kept the double wishbone....they did it on the TSX... why not mine?
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Rep Power: 0 also let's not forget no company realy sets the car up for handling as it should be. even the companys with double wish bone don't mount them right for great handling, and if you are racing (mostly SCCA) everyone else is stuck with the stock stuff too.
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Rep Power: 305 How do you know the double wishbone set-up of the previous civic is better than ours. Can you take turns faster with it? The newer body and chassis is suppose to be much more rigid. The only advantage I see of the double wishone front, it seems that it would be easier to to lower the car.
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I would kill to have the double wishbone suspension. So much easier to lay front!!
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Rep Power: 366 the wishbone setup is better in at least one sense... its more reliable. already have struts goin out on my car, and i know lots of people on here have had them go out. the new suspension is fine except for the pops, rattles, crunches, creaks, groans, scrapes and other various noises i hear while i drive/turn. btw i dont have the money for new struts so i get to enjoy the crappiness of the factory ones until i can get coilovers/bags or at least replacements.
i do believe you can get the dc5 type r's suspension setup and bolt it onto our cars, but its hideously expensive to import them and the parts themselves are high dollar aluminum.
example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
i do believe you can get the dc5 type r's suspension setup and bolt it onto our cars, but its hideously expensive to import them and the parts themselves are high dollar aluminum.
example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
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Rep Power: 276 McPherson struts: yeah they may save space, yes they are used by hig end companies blah blah blah. BUT, and this is a big but, if the rest of the front end geometry sucks, you get the crappy Honda Civic suspension that we have. Ever notice that our car suffers from TERRIBLE BUMP STEER? That was the first thing I noticed when I took that bad boy out on the highway and encountered a turn with a bump......damn thing sent me across the lane. I was able to counter-act some of it with lowering springs, strut tower brace, and rear lower tie bar but I can still feel it once in a while. I think if I do a front and rear sway bar kit and rear RSX strut tower brace, you might not notice it. That's why folks.....we have an ECONO car.
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Originally Posted by modoman
the wishbone setup is better in at least one sense... its more reliable. already have struts goin out on my car, and i know lots of people on here have had them go out. the new suspension is fine except for the pops, rattles, crunches, creaks, groans, scrapes and other various noises i hear while i drive/turn. btw i dont have the money for new struts so i get to enjoy the crappiness of the factory ones until i can get coilovers/bags or at least replacements.
i do believe you can get the dc5 type r's suspension setup and bolt it onto our cars, but its hideously expensive to import them and the parts themselves are high dollar aluminum.
example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
i do believe you can get the dc5 type r's suspension setup and bolt it onto our cars, but its hideously expensive to import them and the parts themselves are high dollar aluminum.
example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
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Originally Posted by modoman
err i meant wishbone setup of old civics compared to the mac strut on our civics... not the macpherson setup in general. sorry.
Did you read my post about the chassis and body being more rigid on our gen vics?
There are several advantages of using the MacPherson strut suspension systems.
These include:
1. They weigh less than the conventional two control arm system.
2. The system spreads the suspension load over a wider span of the car's chassis.
3. That take up less room in the engine compartment, which allows room for other components.
4.There are fewer moving parts than in the conventional two arm control arm system.
These facts taken out of the textbook MOTOR AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY third edition. No where in the text does it mention that MacPhersons are inferior to double wishbones.
These include:
1. They weigh less than the conventional two control arm system.
2. The system spreads the suspension load over a wider span of the car's chassis.
3. That take up less room in the engine compartment, which allows room for other components.
4.There are fewer moving parts than in the conventional two arm control arm system.
These facts taken out of the textbook MOTOR AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY third edition. No where in the text does it mention that MacPhersons are inferior to double wishbones.
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Originally Posted by CuRiOuSfIsH
Lets not forget everyone's "favorite" the EVO and Sti and M3!
just b/c the suspension is a certain way, doesnt mean it's a immediate "bad". The Vette has leaf springs and that car can still handle.
just b/c the suspension is a certain way, doesnt mean it's a immediate "bad". The Vette has leaf springs and that car can still handle.
same pro driver tested them both twice and the vette beat it by 2 secounds.
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Rep Power: 366 I DONT MEAN that the macphereson is inferior, in fact i KNOW its superior!!! however, the fact that my struts suck makes me wish i had the wishbone, just so i dont have to replace the damn struts every 20k. thats all. i dont mean the setup is sucky, i mean that it sucks from the factory... errg do u get me?
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Originally Posted by modoman
I DONT MEAN that the macphereson is inferior, in fact i KNOW its superior!!! however, the fact that my struts suck makes me wish i had the wishbone, just so i dont have to replace the damn struts every 20k. thats all. i dont mean the setup is sucky, i mean that it sucks from the factory... errg do u get me?
