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i cant decide if i want to boost my 04 civic ex or trade it in for a new 04 black civic SI. if i trade in, its going to work out to have the same payments. if i keep my civic and boost it what next thats about it cuz the d17 blows, but if i get th SI i will some day boost it but the money i have for a turbo will be used on other stuf first like full coilovers and rims, btw if i get the civic si im going to black it out black paint, 5% tint, and solid black rims.it should look sick and it has so much after market support i would know what to buy next. anyways could u guys tell me what you all think, thanks.

 
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I'm kinda in the same situation.

I've been thinking about trading my 01 EX AT in for either an 04 EX MT or an 04 Si. Not too sure on what I want to do, if anything.

 
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but with the turbo ill make about 180whp i could get beat by a rsx with a few mods but if i had a turbo on a EP3 i should be over 250whp then i could keep building a motor that responds to aftermarket parts

 
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or i could just get the civic si and get a turbo before anything else

 
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I dont know this question bothers me day and night. One second ill want a new car, then the next ill want to boost the vic.

 
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thats how i am

 
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New SI if it were me!

 
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Get the SI.
More upgrade options
And the Upgrades will acctually be worthwhile.

Turbos are great but alot of people have had issue with the turbo on the 7th gen.

 
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There you go. This man here just said it all. There are boosted 7th gens but also so many with problems.

 
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Is it possible to get a good deal on a used rsx type S? The 2005 are out with 10 more horses and upgraded looks. I think a lot of leased cars are going to be coming back this season, some 2001, 2002, 2003.

 
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Yeah get a used RSX or SI and save some cash.
Then Supercharge the thing!

 
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since you have a 04 civic I would say go with the SI, That way your still under warranty!!!
for those with 02 or 01 likle me with warranty closing soon go with boost. Best bang for buck.
Mango owns a wrx says that yourinmyworlds car is faster than his and hes a boosted 7thgen.
180whp will smoke an rsx type S even with thier bolt ons.
Not many people with rsx go with turbocharging thier engines.
Ep3 is also hideious looking like a damn egg.

 
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can you guys explain the problems? Is it just the kits themselves suck or is it how the d17 reacts to them? I know i'll probably be in the same situation in a couple of years and i've already started to think about the turbo route.

 
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Sure. I'm no turbo guru like some people on this site, but just from reading the FI threads there are a lot of problems with producing boost and the MAP sensor raeading CEL. Having to deal with the check engine light and what not even though with the Synapse Missing Link to use as a piggyback. I'm not going for boost anymore because of the time and money that will be involved with the Tuning part of it. There are people who have had great success boosting their 7th gen. I just don't wanna take on that project anymore. If Hondata was to make something for our cars, it would be a hell of a lot easier to boost. Like I said, I don't wanna sound like I know it all about turbos. You just learn some stuff from reading about it in the threads. It just seems like the problem is mostly with electrical stuff and tuning. Timing of the turbo and what not. The turbo itself works fine.

 
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sooo easy to make MAPs!!!!! just take it to the dyno or do it when your driving! As for the CEL light! pull the damn bulb out
I never saw CEL lights in old muscle cars
anyways mostly the problem is with the kit makers not the turbo people...
custom turbo people
take time research your setup alot before you buy it!!
know about all the parts your buying and how they are going to go together, also how they will effect other things like the tranny etc.

 
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I'd say keep the civic if its paid off, and turbo it. You dont have to run high psi and risk things. Most of the problems with turbo 7thgens have been from the installers, not the kit itself. I dont like how the new Si's look but you have to like what you have to drive.

 
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Yeah, that's why I said people do have success with it. You just gotta know your sniet. I thought about putting together a custom kit. I just don't have the patience in waiting for things to get fabricated so I just kinda let those plans get away. Just like you, I think custom is the best way to go.

 
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its not paid off but for the amount i have left i can trade in put a lil down payment and be making the same payments but for a si and no miles i dont know if all the honda dealers have them this cheap or cheaper but they want 16,900 and i love the insideand the shifter the only thing i dont like is that it has no center arm rest

 
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I'd say go for it man. I can't believe its only going for that much. The shifter is also the reason that I chose not to go with it too. Even my Dad told me to get that last year but I didn't like the shifter and chose to go with the EX instead. I didn't realize that we were limited to aftermarket products at the time of purchase. If I knew that, I would've taken an Si instead.

 
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you gotta love the aftermarket
here is an armrest: www.zetaproducts.net/civicsi_install.html
pics: http://secure.crisp.net/ecommerce/ze...products_id=31

 
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i'd go with the si.

 
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Id keep saving, until the new civics come out. Youre gonna have an 04 and be like damn... when can i trade this thing in for that.

 
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Eh, I have 03 Si.
And arm rest is not needed at all, Shifter is comfortable as is.

It's really up to you.
There's more afteramarket options, if you decided to go with new si.

 
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dude save the money, add more to it and swap a k20 into the coupe. the coupe is really a beautiful car just too slow. save up!

 
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i suggest u boost the d17a2 ... some members got very nice members from boosting it.. so give it a try.. if u wont like it.. take the turbo off.. sell it out.. and by ur self ep3, but thats just me i love turbos.. give it a try besides the ep3's are fugly

 
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That's what i think exactly.

 
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TURBO...can an si go psss??

 
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sure a si with a turbo

 
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if im going to trade i need to find a stock exhaust if anyone is within about an hour away from lawton/FT.Sill that would sell me it or hook it up let me know i have a ex 2dr or if someone would want to buy and trade my Greddy EVO 2

 
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I wish I had atleast test driven the SI.. but at the time I was like that thing is too damn ugly, but now im almost thinkin, with all i've put into my car, I could have made the si look good too :P - even tho the coupes look 10x better stock..