Honda is going down? *help*
Honda is going down? *help*
First of all, i wrote this thread because i just discussed this matter with my bro....
he said that based on a financial magazine.....Honda's sale is down by approximately 6%....he thinks that Honda got 2 years in order to fire up their sales again..
why?
some says that Honda's sale down because "they don't listen to their customers." What do you guys think?
the fact is that there are many other brand who listen to their customers...
Hyundai for say....every year, their reliability increases....and backed with 10 years warranty, they surely hit the market....
what do you guys think? any opinions?
do you guys think what my bro said is true?
he said that based on a financial magazine.....Honda's sale is down by approximately 6%....he thinks that Honda got 2 years in order to fire up their sales again..
why?
some says that Honda's sale down because "they don't listen to their customers." What do you guys think?
the fact is that there are many other brand who listen to their customers...
Hyundai for say....every year, their reliability increases....and backed with 10 years warranty, they surely hit the market....
what do you guys think? any opinions?
do you guys think what my bro said is true?
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It's not Honda that doesn't listen to their customers, it's the Honda DEALERS that doesn't listen. They try to come up with alibis and such when repairing the vehicle. For instance, when I got my 30k maintianance at the Honda dealer, they gave me an estimate of $300. So I took it, and when I was about to pick up my car, they told me it was $600 because they had to clean the fuel injector such and such. Bah'... It states in the manual that you don't clean it 'till 50k+ I believe? Anyway, that's just what I think. 
in a way...
everyday on this site you see everyone complaining about the d17 being too slow, "put the k20 in the 'vic"
get rid of the SI hatch and bring the SI coupe back....
but all this is really a small target market for Honda to consider, because the civic is more of an economic automobile directed to people that care for the economy and great gas saving vehicles.
I honestly only hear people between the ages of 16-21 complain about the slowness of the civic and such...you dont really hear much else
Yes, many other manufacturers have been producing more powerful vehicles such as Nissan (G35, Spec V), Dodge (SRT-4), Mazda (RX-8), Subaru (WRX, STI), Mitsu. (EVO VIII) and so on... but i believe Honda relies more on the RSX, NSX, S2000 for those categories
Honda does not have much of a lineup compared to Toyota, Ford, Dodge and other big companies, they only have about 15 vehicles they sell, they are just soon releasing a truck, which may or may not help them with sales considering that they are not known for producing good/reliable trucks
Honda doesn't really have much of a competitive advantage over others besides there reliability ratings through the word of mouth marketing...
everyday on this site you see everyone complaining about the d17 being too slow, "put the k20 in the 'vic"
get rid of the SI hatch and bring the SI coupe back....
but all this is really a small target market for Honda to consider, because the civic is more of an economic automobile directed to people that care for the economy and great gas saving vehicles.
I honestly only hear people between the ages of 16-21 complain about the slowness of the civic and such...you dont really hear much else
Yes, many other manufacturers have been producing more powerful vehicles such as Nissan (G35, Spec V), Dodge (SRT-4), Mazda (RX-8), Subaru (WRX, STI), Mitsu. (EVO VIII) and so on... but i believe Honda relies more on the RSX, NSX, S2000 for those categories
Honda does not have much of a lineup compared to Toyota, Ford, Dodge and other big companies, they only have about 15 vehicles they sell, they are just soon releasing a truck, which may or may not help them with sales considering that they are not known for producing good/reliable trucks
Honda doesn't really have much of a competitive advantage over others besides there reliability ratings through the word of mouth marketing...
Originally Posted by aZnVoYCe
It's not Honda that doesn't listen to their customers, it's the Honda DEALERS that doesn't listen. They try to come up with alibis and such when repairing the vehicle. For instance, when I got my 30k maintianance at the Honda dealer, they gave me an estimate of $300. So I took it, and when I was about to pick up my car, they told me it was $600 because they had to clean the fuel injector such and such. Bah'... It states in the manual that you don't clean it 'till 50k+ I believe? Anyway, that's just what I think.
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Rep Power: 0 NOOOO!!!!! If Honda goes down i am selling my car! anyways, Honda IS charging too much too much for their cars, the C/P rate is not as appealing as the compititor... for example, Mazda is coming out with really good lookin cars, and the price is about 2-3k cheaper for base models, and perhaps the quality is better... (i have problems with my upholstry in my 2k3 sedan) :/ I hope Honda will not fall to the hands of the other brands.
I sure wish my car was newer
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Rep Power: 364 The majority of people want Honda to make reliable cars that you can drive the **** out of and still have run long enough to give to your kids. They do that.
It'd be nice if they catered to their niches as much as others did though.
It'd be nice if they catered to their niches as much as others did though.
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Has anyone here visited our vehicle issues/problems forum and read about tranny failure at 20-50K, rattles, idle stall, harness melting, and so many hundreds of other problems? I don't think the newer hondas are that reliable.
I've been lucky. Only had a fuel sender go out, seatbelt buckle break, and shocks squeaking. Oh and rattles all over, starting problems, messed up plugs, etc.
I've been lucky. Only had a fuel sender go out, seatbelt buckle break, and shocks squeaking. Oh and rattles all over, starting problems, messed up plugs, etc.
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Rep Power: 583 tell your bro that he doesnt know what hes talking about. if you look at hondas financial statements you can see that total worldwide honda sales went up about 2%. according to financial statements there is not a single business unit of honda that decreased in sales from last year.
just in case you dont believe me:
and as far as not listening to customers, thats BS. the number of members on the site constitute a TINY percent of their customers, and the ones that are not happy are even a smaller percent. honda doesnt care about boy racers or tuners, they care about families, environmentalists, commuters, etc. and as far as those people are concerned, honda is a great company that makes a fantastic car.
so no, honda is not going down the drain any time soon.
just in case you dont believe me:
and as far as not listening to customers, thats BS. the number of members on the site constitute a TINY percent of their customers, and the ones that are not happy are even a smaller percent. honda doesnt care about boy racers or tuners, they care about families, environmentalists, commuters, etc. and as far as those people are concerned, honda is a great company that makes a fantastic car.
so no, honda is not going down the drain any time soon.
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everyone don't get so scared, every single car company in the world is showing a loss. Not just Honda. Toyota(Lexus),Nissan(Infiniti), Ford and all its subsidiaries, GM, Daimler-Chrysler(which also includes Merecedes), Subaru, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, VW, Lambo, Porche. Everything is losing money, because the worlds economy is for **** right now. I think I would stick with Honda or Toyota, they are the ones that are going to consitantly put out hybrids, and thats what we are needing for the future.
Originally Posted by PbFoot
tell your bro that he doesnt know what hes talking about. if you look at hondas financial statements you can see that total worldwide honda sales went up about 2%. according to financial statements there is not a single business unit of honda that decreased in sales from last year.
so no, honda is not going down the drain any time soon.
so no, honda is not going down the drain any time soon.
AMEN!
HEY, WAIT....that's worldwide...how about in USA itself?
decreased 0.8% due to "money stuff"....however, the amount of car sold increased...
operating income down by 30%???? WTF??
anyway, my bro was talking about Honda's revenue in USA....not worldwide..
anyway, let's keep the discussion continue....i would also like to know about u guys opinion..
in fact, it's true that many other car manufacturer keep makin good and reliable car every single year.....moreover, that warranty "lick-my-dealer-***" thing.....
honestly, i don't really know what to say....cos' honestly, my own opinions are biased....cos' im a honda owner...
anyway, let's keep the discussion continue..
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the reason why i chose honda because it is a good reliable car. I love seeing cars hooked up and modded with all kinds of stuff, in all actuallity, i love doing that stuff myself but with moderation on the cosmetic, JDM side. but when it comes down to it, we have slow cars. 
it wasnt meant to go fast. It was meant to be good transportation that will last you years and years. Even if you look at the reliability ratings of all the new cars that came out in the same class as the civic. Whats still the most reliable ones? Civic and Corolla. The OG's of compacts. So with that said, It kinda rules itself out that other manufacturers are selling their same-class cars with more HP for 2-3k less, you still will have to buy another car before my civic even needs a major tuneup. Doesnt have much to do with the actual thread, but just wanted to add on to what some members up there had to say.
it wasnt meant to go fast. It was meant to be good transportation that will last you years and years. Even if you look at the reliability ratings of all the new cars that came out in the same class as the civic. Whats still the most reliable ones? Civic and Corolla. The OG's of compacts. So with that said, It kinda rules itself out that other manufacturers are selling their same-class cars with more HP for 2-3k less, you still will have to buy another car before my civic even needs a major tuneup. Doesnt have much to do with the actual thread, but just wanted to add on to what some members up there had to say. 
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Originally Posted by aZnVoYCe
It's not Honda that doesn't listen to their customers, it's the Honda DEALERS that doesn't listen.
I was getting nowhere with my dealer so I wrote a letter to Honda and I got free '04 struts for my 2K1 and a $100 gift certificate to use at the dealership.
Originally Posted by Pharoh
I completely agree with this statement ^^.
I was getting nowhere with my dealer so I wrote a letter to Honda and I got free '04 struts for my 2K1 and a $100 gift certificate to use at the dealership.
I was getting nowhere with my dealer so I wrote a letter to Honda and I got free '04 struts for my 2K1 and a $100 gift certificate to use at the dealership.
niceeeeeee...
might be doing that in the future!!!
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Originally Posted by Pharoh
I completely agree with this statement ^^.
I was getting nowhere with my dealer so I wrote a letter to Honda and I got free '04 struts for my 2K1 and a $100 gift certificate to use at the dealership.
I was getting nowhere with my dealer so I wrote a letter to Honda and I got free '04 struts for my 2K1 and a $100 gift certificate to use at the dealership.
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Originally Posted by zen_master
Pharoh, where did you send ur mail to?
did you send an email or a mail?
give us the addresses......he he he
did you send an email or a mail?
give us the addresses......he he he
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Got a copy of that letter you sent? 
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Originally Posted by WannaBFast
remembner.. they dont JUST make cars.. they got lawn mowers, bikes, outboard motors
the list goes on..
the list goes on..
Don't forget they have a prototype jet and self controlled robot.
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Rep Power: 0 i don't think honda's going down i mean jsut look around hondas are EVERYWHERE... and the honda accord is maybe one of the best if not the best economy car ever made... it's won 18 car and driver awards which is more than any other car... most people these days don't care about power so that's really not an issue... they want reliability, safety, and fuel economy... and that's what honda is giving them especially since they are making side air bags standard in the near future
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Originally Posted by Prod
I think you're missing the point though.
If it were "dodge" or "ford" or a company that ONLY sold cars in the US, then the US finacial issues would matter..... but as it stands.. they sell cars everywhere............. so the US' money problems will not shut the company down.
If it were "dodge" or "ford" or a company that ONLY sold cars in the US, then the US finacial issues would matter..... but as it stands.. they sell cars everywhere............. so the US' money problems will not shut the company down.
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Originally Posted by Master
everyone don't get so scared, every single car company in the world is showing a loss. Not just Honda. Toyota(Lexus),Nissan(Infiniti), Ford and all its subsidiaries, GM, Daimler-Chrysler(which also includes Merecedes), Subaru, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, VW, Lambo, Porche. Everything is losing money, because the worlds economy is for **** right now. I think I would stick with Honda or Toyota, they are the ones that are going to consitantly put out hybrids, and thats what we are needing for the future.
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I've seen it vaguely pointed out throughout this thread...
and...
Maybe they don't listen as much to the kids begging for more powerful engines and faster cars but they do listen to their parents who realize that those things will only help their child run into a telephone poll during a street race.
Honda has met the current market demands with arms wide open: GAS ECONOMY sells these days as our gas prices continue to climb and consumers are more aware of the world around them.
Aside from being some of the most green-friendly vehicles out there, the reliability ratings are great, and maybe the interior rattles a bit but at least you're not stranded on the side of the road like that poor sunfire driver you just drove past.
My 2002 has had its fair share of repairs done to it, but not once have I needed to bring it in other than its scheduled maintenance times, because none of the problems I've had have required immediate attention. A friend of mine has a 2000 Jeep, and I've seen her crying several times after coming to work in her loaner neon, because that Jeep is in the shop yet again.
So, if you're feeling a little ignored, its because you're being drown out by the vast majority of Honda customers... Sorry! Honda has what's important down to a science.
Originally Posted by kelemi821
most people these days don't care about power so that's really not an issue... they want reliability, safety, and fuel economy... and that's what honda is giving them especially since they are making side air bags standard in the near future
Originally Posted by 301CiViC5
I honestly only hear people between the ages of 16-21 complain about the slowness of the civic and such...you dont really hear much else
Honda has met the current market demands with arms wide open: GAS ECONOMY sells these days as our gas prices continue to climb and consumers are more aware of the world around them.
Aside from being some of the most green-friendly vehicles out there, the reliability ratings are great, and maybe the interior rattles a bit but at least you're not stranded on the side of the road like that poor sunfire driver you just drove past.
My 2002 has had its fair share of repairs done to it, but not once have I needed to bring it in other than its scheduled maintenance times, because none of the problems I've had have required immediate attention. A friend of mine has a 2000 Jeep, and I've seen her crying several times after coming to work in her loaner neon, because that Jeep is in the shop yet again.
So, if you're feeling a little ignored, its because you're being drown out by the vast majority of Honda customers... Sorry! Honda has what's important down to a science.
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Rep Power: 0 US sales still seems very healthy although more and more sales are transferring to light trucks like the CRV and pilot. Also, brand loyalty is among the best with Honda owners in the US. With more new truck models coming like the new pickup and a rumored new Acura SUV as discussed in vtec.net, I think Honda is still in great shape. What has fallen is Japan domestic sales. A few years back, the Honda Fit was the best seller in Japan, but that can't last forever thus contributing to JD sales falling.
I'm not a gambling man, but I own a nice amount of HMC stock, and still feel confident in its future. I know I can make money or at the very least preserve my money in the stock.
I'm not a gambling man, but I own a nice amount of HMC stock, and still feel confident in its future. I know I can make money or at the very least preserve my money in the stock.
