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The Ralliart does not go high 14's in the 1/4 mile. It was a typo and Motor Trend even said it was a typo. Ralliart is suppose to compete with the Si, base Rsx, Celica GT, etc...

 
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whats a good car to get?

Mazda, toyota

i mean other than honda

 
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Seriously bro, all cars these days are coming up to be about equal. Now in long term, of course Honda and Toyota excel, but by long term I mean 100,000 miles plus. I don't know very many people that even keep cars that long anymore, so seriously, don't worry about it. There are however, a few problem laden vehicles...just do your research.

 
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I don't know why a lot of people don't like Mitsubishi, but they are a good company. Their cars actually have power at lower rpm's. The build quality gives a great initial impression and the long run reliability is ok but not the best.

Obviously you'll get less gas-mileage with a more powerful car compared to say an EX, but you have to choose between power or gas mileage. Anyways, if you don't want a Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, Honda, or Toyota, then I would recommend a Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. (that was meant as a joke)

 
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I see a lot of you "supporting" Mitsubishi on here....


But let me ask you a question: Which car did YOU buy? A Honda Civic, or a Mitsubishi Lancer?

You obviously felt the Honda Civic was a superior product & offered better value as well. Case closed.

 
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thats an extremely weak arguement to end with. You forget that many people buy cars based on looks. Some like the way the lancer looks, others like the civic. Surely you wouldn't buy a car that you didn't like the look of.

 
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man O1Coupe you are really an open minded person arent you if it doesnt have you beloved "H" on the front hood i guess it a piece of **** lease:

 
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I was originally comparing Honda vs Mitsubishi... however...

I agree, the 7th Gen Civics are pieces of *****. I've had nothing but headaches with mine, including a transmission failiure, mid-pipe rattle & cat/converter failiure.

In fact, Honda just had the largest recall in its history--something like 600,000 vehicles, including Oddeysse (spelling?), Pilot, MDX, etc.... transmission recall. I expect down the road, the Civic will face the same recall.

The CURRENT Honda's success is basd on their PAST GLORY, when they actually made very reliable cars (stopped at the previous Accords & previous Civics).

However, keep in mind that the Protege, is pretty much all Mazda. Not heck of a lot of Ford influence there. In fact, if you look at it, the last Protege was the "most Japanese" out of all the Proteges. All the ones before that was shared with the Ford Escort--this one was exclusive.

The Mazda 6 & the Mazda 3, however, are too new. We don't know much about the cars yet, because they haven't been around that long. Having said that, Mazda 6 DOES use a modified version of Ford's Duratec motor, which isn't exactly "durable".... only time will tell, if head gaskets and similar gremlins will appear on the 6 as well.

I think it's fair to say that Ford isn't exactly the most reliable car maker in the world. Jaguar's level was even worse (if the not the absolute worst), but they benifited from Ford parts. Mazda is certainly more reliable than Ford, but as they continue to use more & more Ford parts, logic only says their reliability will go down.

The ONLY company I have 100% faith is in Toyota. My personal experience & near-perfect track history speaks for itself. As for Honda.... they just need to clean up their act and start buildilng good cars again. They have been cheaping out on everything, from tires to crtical components such as the transmission.

 
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Open minded? Open yours eyes and read the rest of my threads, before barking comments like that.

 
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Looks? Sure... but I don't think so. I know there's a certain influence on looks, of course.

But 95% of real mass consumers, like soccer moms, grandmas, etc, are not neccessarly buying cars of their looks. Trust me. They buy it for RELIABILITY & VALUE.

Do you think Toyota Camry got to #1 spot in USA for several years in a roll by making GOOD LOOKING cars? Is it even good looking? I don't think so. I think Mazda 6 & Honda Accord looks WAY better. ****, Accord even out performs it... same with Altima.

But guess who sells more? Camry. They built an entire DYNASTY on reliability & value.

I say again--RELIABILITY & VALUE. Is Lancer more reliable than Civic? I don't know, time will tell. But any professional will tell you that Honda has a MUCH SUPERIOR track record than Lancer. Is Lancer better value? I don't like to think so, especially when you take resale value into consideration. Only true exceptional value out there today is HYUNDAI, who BTW, because of ultra-strong VALUE, are doing EXTREMELY well.

Maybe you have better theory as to why Mitsubishi is getting their *** kicked right now and in the virge of bankruptcy. It sure isn't because they make UGLY cars. They just make shittier ones than the comeptition.

 
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HYUNDAI, another DC joint venture :P, and i was reading this thread which you have done nothing but shun(sp) every other car manufactuer out there but your two beloved japs

 
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I know exactly why Mitsu is in such financial stress right now. Anyone remember DSM? The EVO seems to have followed the trend set by those cars. Problem ridden, but an excellent tuning platform. Mitsubishi had many many many problems with these cars that they dumped millions into to fix problems that Daimler Chrysler caused for them. For the uninformed, the DSM's were the Eclipses (all gens previous to the current) 3000GT, and I think the Dodge Stealth might be considered a DSM.

 
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lol 315 watt

 
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man with the money you would be upside down on your car you could get all that feel with what you have now. you just gotta work for it. but if you do it to your own car you will know your car in and out.

 
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Okay so simply because Ford took the previous Protege, and reskinned and rebadged them as Escorts, they weren't Japanese? It would seem more that the Escort was Japanese, not the other way around. Dude you got some strange logic.

 
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lets clear some things up here people:
1. Ford sources Mazda parts, not the other way around, notice the new Mazda 3 came out before the new Focus.....
2. Hondas are better in EVERY WAY regardless of price than Mitsubish (read my first post on here, I know a guy that works at a mitsubishi dealership)
3. Ralliarts in particular are junk, they are so hefty, that they are barely any faster than an OZ Lancer which weighs much less.
4. If I was going to spend $18K on a car right now, I would buy a Mazda 3 Wagon, PERIOD, no quesitons about it

 
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evos get owned by mr2s here. they're no big deal. the new lancers are ugly as fu*k, and im sure smoking the ralli art (for me) would be less of a challenge than smoking any gsr.

 
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i thought it was both ways? ... guess i'm more confused than i thought ^_^

why are they junk? with that much torque at that low RPM, they are BARELY faster than the OZ lancer (which is jsut a dressed up version of the base lancer)? i dunno, i'll need some numbers to believe that...i felt the pull on that car, and i give my props to it.

i agree on that 100%...i love those 3's, especially the wagon! ^_^

 
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well, Ive gotten the info from a guy whos worked on, and driven both of them, so im going by his butt-dyno. Although there really is a large weight difference.

Damn, I just checked, and i be minus $550 with my car as a trade in at the moment...

I owe $12,800
trade in value is $12,250

thats sick, considering I have 25K on it and its only a year old with that mileage.

I doubt I would get another car, I really like the civic alot.

 
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The Ralliart is only 173 lbs heavier than the OZ Rally. With more than 40 more hp than the OZ Rally, i'm confident that the extra weight isn't too much of a concern.

 
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looks are subjective, so you could go either way in civic vs lancer.
but all i can say is...

the ralliart is fast.
i've driven it... and it felt closer to a rsx type-s than a base rsx (car its competing with)

i drive a mazda3, and the ralliart will beat it.
i was considering a ralliart, but the interior felt too cheap compared to the 3.
it feels like a 6thgen civic in there. it looks way too dated.

the car is way faster than an oz, whoever said that doesn't have experience in both lancers.

 
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OK, Ill tell him that, although I dont exactly know what his response will be considering he WORKS at a Mitsubishi dealership... Not to get in your *** or anything, but this guy deals with these cars almost every day, and I would expect him to know thier performance by his EXPERIENCE with both cars....