2005 Legacy..think WRX with class...
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Don't anyone get me wrong. I like Subarus and have actually had good experiences with them. We actually gutted an old one and autocrossed with some success...
That said, wagons are never "cool" or "sexy". Although the Legacy Outback with a roofrack with a few surfboards or skis stacked on it comes close.
And as for hood scoops, I understand that it's functional it's just not tastefully done. I know looks aren't everything, but a better design would really put that car over the top.
That said, wagons are never "cool" or "sexy". Although the Legacy Outback with a roofrack with a few surfboards or skis stacked on it comes close.
And as for hood scoops, I understand that it's functional it's just not tastefully done. I know looks aren't everything, but a better design would really put that car over the top.
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That said, wagons are never "cool" or "sexy". Although the Legacy Outback with a roofrack with a few surfboards or skis stacked on it comes close.
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How's an M5-Powered Wagon?
And just so I don't leave the Japanese out....
STi-Powered
Ok, so I'm gonna stop now, I've made my point.
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Rep Power: 380 Only issue I have with Wagons is that they tend to be a bit more flexible in the back, I konw thats not really an issue on the street, but I hear the Subi guys complain about it on track.
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Rep Power: 311 Originally posted by Boilermaker1
Don't even start....
All you really need to know is S4
Ok, so I'm gonna stop now, I've made my point.
Don't even start....
All you really need to know is S4
Ok, so I'm gonna stop now, I've made my point.
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Rep Power: 528 Originally posted by nookiemonster
Subaru has yet to make a hood scoop that wasn't functional.
Subaru has yet to make a hood scoop that wasn't functional.
Unlike the stupid Mustang hood scoop that isn't functional.
What's that? Looks like high performance but actually isn't? Why, that's the definition of "rice." Haha, stupid Ford. If I remember correctly, the brake scoops on the side of a Mustang are fake, too. So the next time a Ford Mustang owner says your car is rice, remind him of these two things.Now, look at this:
Those look like 01-02 7thgen AT gauges
hehe.Also I forgot what else I was going to say.
Oh yeah,
Which is faster, a 250hp Turbo 4cyl, or a 250 NA I6? That's interesting that they give you choices of two different engines with the same peak output. I wonder if the torque output or torque curves or redlines are different. Why do you think they made two different engines with the same hp rating, tho?
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Rep Power: 328 Normally the turbo engine is going to be a bit more torquey, and the NA will more than likely be a peakier engine. Personally, I'd take the turbo 4. Easier to tune, and much more responsive.
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Rep Power: 328 Originally posted by xX03EXx
Id take the NA engine, better power curve. Also, I would have the ability to add a turbo later. NA cars respond o so much differently, I love em
Id take the NA engine, better power curve. Also, I would have the ability to add a turbo later. NA cars respond o so much differently, I love em
Then why get an NA engine and turbo it? That's like getting a B18C5 (ITR) motor, removing all the beautifully done NA internals, and turboing it when it has a high compression to begin with, instead of just getting a B18C (GSR)--lower compression--and slapping a turbo kit on it.
A turbo car also responds much better to mods than NA. Ask any of the turbo guys here. A free flowing exhaust, cooler intake from improved intercooler and intake, colder plugs and such mods result in HUGE gains when compared to NA tuned cars. Not to mention that GOBS of power gains are a boost controller away.
Common Sense people--it's free.
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Rep Power: 306 Originally posted by IronFist
Which is faster, a 250hp Turbo 4cyl, or a 250 NA I6? That's interesting that they give you choices of two different engines with the same peak output. I wonder if the torque output or torque curves or redlines are different. Why do you think they made two different engines with the same hp rating, tho?
Which is faster, a 250hp Turbo 4cyl, or a 250 NA I6? That's interesting that they give you choices of two different engines with the same peak output. I wonder if the torque output or torque curves or redlines are different. Why do you think they made two different engines with the same hp rating, tho?
The HP figures are the same between the two engines, but torque from the H6 is notably higher. The reason for the two engines I would think is drivability. Turbocharged cars are a kick. . . so you can get a manual tranny with the 2.5T. But if you don't want to put Premium gas in all the time, or worry about maintaining a turbocharger, or you just want more low-end grunt (say for towing, etc) then you go for the H6. . . but don't look to mate it with a manual, Subaru doesn't offer that configuration.
Doesn't really matter, though. . . . apparently, they're NOT offering the H6 in the 2005 Legacy for North America. . . just the 2.5L and the 2.5T.
Perhaps by 2006 (crossing fingers) they'll introduce the H6 into the lineup. Although I think I'd still want to shift on a daily basis. . . so either way I'll probably wind-up getting the 2.5T Legacy GT wagon.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by nookiemonster
Not necessarily. Unless you plan on completely tearing down an NA designed engine, and putting low compression pistons, reenforced forged rods, reenforcing the block and head while you're at it, full engine and fuel management, new plugs and the like....
Then why get an NA engine and turbo it? That's like getting a B18C5 (ITR) motor, removing all the beautifully done NA internals, and turboing it when it has a high compression to begin with, instead of just getting a B18C (GSR)--lower compression--and slapping a turbo kit on it.
A turbo car also responds much better to mods than NA. Ask any of the turbo guys here. A free flowing exhaust, cooler intake from improved intercooler and intake, colder plugs and such mods result in HUGE gains when compared to NA tuned cars. Not to mention that GOBS of power gains are a boost controller away.
Common Sense people--it's free.
Not necessarily. Unless you plan on completely tearing down an NA designed engine, and putting low compression pistons, reenforced forged rods, reenforcing the block and head while you're at it, full engine and fuel management, new plugs and the like....
Then why get an NA engine and turbo it? That's like getting a B18C5 (ITR) motor, removing all the beautifully done NA internals, and turboing it when it has a high compression to begin with, instead of just getting a B18C (GSR)--lower compression--and slapping a turbo kit on it.
A turbo car also responds much better to mods than NA. Ask any of the turbo guys here. A free flowing exhaust, cooler intake from improved intercooler and intake, colder plugs and such mods result in HUGE gains when compared to NA tuned cars. Not to mention that GOBS of power gains are a boost controller away.
Common Sense people--it's free.
I'm glad Subaru does offer both engines though... it's very thoughtful of them.
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Rep Power: 328 That was a response to xX03EXx about buying a NA tuned car and tuning it. He said he'd be able to add a turbo later.
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Rep Power: 0 Then xX03EXx is retarded... you can add turbo to any car. Even a Hyundai Elantra....... what's the point of doing it to a brand new N/A Legacy??? I just don't get it.
Some people get carried away talking about modding cars...
Some people get carried away talking about modding cars...
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Rep Power: 306 For God's sake you guys. . . . it's H6. . . . NOT a V6
Subaru doesn't make V-piston engine configurations. . . they're BOXER (flat, horizontally-opposed) engines.
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Subaru doesn't make V-piston engine configurations. . . they're BOXER (flat, horizontally-opposed) engines.
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Rep Power: 0 Dude, you can call it V6, I6, H6, VR6, I don't give a flying **** about the configuration. We're talking about the differences of a bigger naturally aspirated engine vs smaller turbo 4....
Like going off topic much??
Like going off topic much??
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Rep Power: 306 Originally posted by O1Coupe
Dude, you can call it V6, I6, H6, VR6, I don't give a flying **** about the configuration. We're talking about the differences of a bigger naturally aspirated engine vs smaller turbo 4....
Like going off topic much??
Dude, you can call it V6, I6, H6, VR6, I don't give a flying **** about the configuration. We're talking about the differences of a bigger naturally aspirated engine vs smaller turbo 4....
Like going off topic much??
edit: And NO. . . what I said was NOT an off-topic response. This whole thread is about the new Legacy. . . so it makes sense to get the facts straight.
