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skyline debate
my first thread got locked by a mod but i recieved a pm from another mod telling me its ok to start this thread again because i was not the one causing problems.
i know alot of you know me as a domestic lover but this is not a domestic vs import thing ok that said let me say this.
i cant say enough about the skyline in terms of style and handling BUT i noticed some people act like its a perfromance god UMM NO from the factory they are quick but they are not really super fast like some other cars with even lower msrp than $89,500 and with a top speed of 155mph and a 1/4 of low 14's maybe high 13's yes they can be build and be very fast but modding one will cost you ALOT of money and stock they have a mpg of 14/23 thats less than a gas guzzler V8 trans am. my point is lets drop down the skyline a notch or 2.
what are your thoughts on this...
i know alot of you know me as a domestic lover but this is not a domestic vs import thing ok that said let me say this.
i cant say enough about the skyline in terms of style and handling BUT i noticed some people act like its a perfromance god UMM NO from the factory they are quick but they are not really super fast like some other cars with even lower msrp than $89,500 and with a top speed of 155mph and a 1/4 of low 14's maybe high 13's yes they can be build and be very fast but modding one will cost you ALOT of money and stock they have a mpg of 14/23 thats less than a gas guzzler V8 trans am. my point is lets drop down the skyline a notch or 2.
what are your thoughts on this...
personally, the mpg doesnt matter to me, i think because of the rarity of the Skyline, and the style and power it has makes the vehicle more wanted. The AWD is something to consider too!
i know i would rather save up for a skyline than a v8 trans am, but maybe its cause im just an import guy.
some people will always like the skyline like how ricers think civics and integras are the **** and can beat everyone else as long as they have stickers and a 5 ft. wing.
lets keep this as a mature debate....this is NOT an import vs domestic thread people!
Keep the flaming away!
i know i would rather save up for a skyline than a v8 trans am, but maybe its cause im just an import guy.
some people will always like the skyline like how ricers think civics and integras are the **** and can beat everyone else as long as they have stickers and a 5 ft. wing.
lets keep this as a mature debate....this is NOT an import vs domestic thread people!
Keep the flaming away!
Re: skyline debate
Originally posted by sadboy916
i know alot of you know me as a domestic lover but this is not a domestic vs import thing ok that said let me say this.
i know alot of you know me as a domestic lover but this is not a domestic vs import thing ok that said let me say this.
I don't see how this will win anyone over to your side. On to the counterclaiming.
i cant say enough about the skyline in terms of style and handling BUT i noticed some people act like its a perfromance god UMM NO from the factory they are quick but they are not really super fast like some other cars with even lower msrp than $89,500
Actually, the MSRP for a R34 GT-R is about half that. It's MotoRex, the importer, that sets the $89,500 price. It's not a MSRP when it's not set by a manufacturer.
and with a top speed of 155mph and a 1/4 of low 14's maybe high 13's yes they can be build and be very fast but modding one will cost you ALOT of money and stock they have a mpg of 14/23 thats less than a gas guzzler V8 trans am.
Actually, Skylines are popular in Japan because they are relatively cheap and easy to modify. When a simple air filter upgrade adds ~15hp, and gutting the cats (free) adds another 50, I wouldn't consider that expensive. Of course high-end turbo, suspension, and electronc upgrades are expensive, but no more than a similar setup on a domestic.
my point is lets drop down the skyline a notch or 2.
You do that. Everyone else can pass their own judgment. Makes you wonder if the Japanese equivalent of sadboy is saying this about the corvettes on the other side of the pacific?
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Rep Power: 0 i will give it the rare thing but after reading alot of threads here some people talk about them like they are supercars but i just consider them handling machines with a great deal of potential if you have a great deal of money.
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Rep Power: 0 well i havent read the other thread so i dont know if anyone mentioned this but like 301civic said i think its more about its rarity and how there are so few skylines on our side of the border. i think most of the appeal comes from the fact that people want what they cant get, like in the skylines case its not available here and you must go through lots of trouble importing it.
if your just looking at the power it puts down then yes even i think its a bit over rated but lets face it, not everything is about the 1/4 mile.
if your just looking at the power it puts down then yes even i think its a bit over rated but lets face it, not everything is about the 1/4 mile.
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Rep Power: 0 more or less its just a rarity thing. you see how people jizz their pants on here when they talk about spotting one. if they never brought over integras or any other number of cars for that matter, itd be the same thing. rarity wins points so to speak
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well, many of the skylines out there are supercars... the ones that we "idolize'' (couldnt think of a better word to say) are tuned to 1000+ horsepower, and us, driving civics with a stock horsepower of ~100hp at the wheels (street tuned to about 200-250-ish) , well, the rest is kinda obvious..
The Skyline in Japan has the same appeal to the tuners over there as the pony cars and F-bodies do over here. Maybe that will help you understand why it's so hyped. People in Japan love American muscle and probably think the same way we do about Skylines.
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last year, one of the friday nights that sema was in town, at the speedway was also midnight mayhem (legal drag races at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway), they let 3 skylines loose, and oh my god was it sweet..
last year, one of the friday nights that sema was in town, at the speedway was also midnight mayhem (legal drag races at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway), they let 3 skylines loose, and oh my god was it sweet..
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well i havent read the other thread so i dont know if anyone mentioned this but like 301civic said i think its more about its rarity and how there are so few skylines on our side of the border. i think most of the appeal comes from the fact that people want what they cant get, like in the skylines case its not available here and you must go through lots of trouble importing it.
if your just looking at the power it puts down then yes even i think its a bit over rated but lets face it, not everything is about the 1/4 mile.
well i havent read the other thread so i dont know if anyone mentioned this but like 301civic said i think its more about its rarity and how there are so few skylines on our side of the border. i think most of the appeal comes from the fact that people want what they cant get, like in the skylines case its not available here and you must go through lots of trouble importing it.
if your just looking at the power it puts down then yes even i think its a bit over rated but lets face it, not everything is about the 1/4 mile.
o yea someone said there might be a counterpart of me in japan lol thats funny and i do want to hear his arguement on why he might think a zo6 is over rated.
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Rep Power: 306 Rarity aside, you're going to have three groups of people with three different opinions on the Skyline.
1. Import enthusiasts are going to LOVE it because of its performance, styling, rarity, and what all that represents.
2. Domestic enthusiasts could care less. They're more than content to idolize the Z06s, Saleen Mustangs, Vipers, etc. And that's just fine. (Domestic equivalents)
3. Then you have people like me, AUTO enthusiasts who appreciate the Skyline simply for what it is. . . .
a. It's rare in all countries but Japan
b. It's got performance to back up it's aggressive styling
c. There are MANY options for mods and tuning to make it even better
d. There ARE better cars in the world, the Skyline is merely in the top 3% or so
e. It can easily hold its own with most domestic supercars, and most Europeans, too
f. Would I like to own one? Yes. Will I likely own one? No.
Granted, this is a very simplified tip of the iceberg. . . but you get the idea.
Personally. . . I'd LOVE to own a 97-98 Viper GTS. To me (and I'm still mainly partial to imports) this would be the modern-day pinnacle of cars I'd actually own. In fact, I see myself owning one in a few years. After attending a local dyno day with more than 20 Vipers back in February, and hanging out with some local guys who own them (one just a few minutes from my place) I have learned a tremendous amount of useful information on them. So much so that I'm VERY impressed with how they're designed, put together, and revered by the automotive community.
Will I continue to own imports? By all means. I'm waiting for a call to pick up my STi as we speak. . . . any freakin' day now!!! Sheesh. Will I think the STi is the be all, end all of imports? No. . . . . but for the money it's pretty damn close.
(My own little GT-R)
Anyway. . . . after reading both threads, I have to give Sadboy some credit . . . it's not easy to come up on an import board and ask "Why does everyone think such and such import is the best?" It's also not easy to leave out comparisons to domestic competition. . . hell, comparisons are NECESSARY to get points across in most cases.
In the end, so long as we can all see each other's points that are trying to be made, it's all good. I like the Skyline. . . I wouldn't necessarily say it's the finest machine Japan has to offer. . . but make no mistake, it IS very impressive.
1. Import enthusiasts are going to LOVE it because of its performance, styling, rarity, and what all that represents.
2. Domestic enthusiasts could care less. They're more than content to idolize the Z06s, Saleen Mustangs, Vipers, etc. And that's just fine. (Domestic equivalents)
3. Then you have people like me, AUTO enthusiasts who appreciate the Skyline simply for what it is. . . .
a. It's rare in all countries but Japan
b. It's got performance to back up it's aggressive styling
c. There are MANY options for mods and tuning to make it even better
d. There ARE better cars in the world, the Skyline is merely in the top 3% or so
e. It can easily hold its own with most domestic supercars, and most Europeans, too
f. Would I like to own one? Yes. Will I likely own one? No.
Granted, this is a very simplified tip of the iceberg. . . but you get the idea.
Personally. . . I'd LOVE to own a 97-98 Viper GTS. To me (and I'm still mainly partial to imports) this would be the modern-day pinnacle of cars I'd actually own. In fact, I see myself owning one in a few years. After attending a local dyno day with more than 20 Vipers back in February, and hanging out with some local guys who own them (one just a few minutes from my place) I have learned a tremendous amount of useful information on them. So much so that I'm VERY impressed with how they're designed, put together, and revered by the automotive community.
Will I continue to own imports? By all means. I'm waiting for a call to pick up my STi as we speak. . . . any freakin' day now!!! Sheesh. Will I think the STi is the be all, end all of imports? No. . . . . but for the money it's pretty damn close.
(My own little GT-R)Anyway. . . . after reading both threads, I have to give Sadboy some credit . . . it's not easy to come up on an import board and ask "Why does everyone think such and such import is the best?" It's also not easy to leave out comparisons to domestic competition. . . hell, comparisons are NECESSARY to get points across in most cases.
In the end, so long as we can all see each other's points that are trying to be made, it's all good. I like the Skyline. . . I wouldn't necessarily say it's the finest machine Japan has to offer. . . but make no mistake, it IS very impressive.
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well put , also i say it over and over again im not against imports im not a fan of the "import scene" heck one of my favorite cars of all time is the rx-7 .
well put , also i say it over and over again im not against imports im not a fan of the "import scene" heck one of my favorite cars of all time is the rx-7 .
I have to agree with everyone that talked about how the Skyline being rare outside Japan makes it a more wanted car.
Just like how many people want JDM merchandise and are willing to shell out the extra bills for it...because they now have something many others don't. Plus bragging rights.
Just like how many people want JDM merchandise and are willing to shell out the extra bills for it...because they now have something many others don't. Plus bragging rights.
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Rep Power: 0 there are better domestics out there for the money but like everyone has said it is the raraty and the bragging rights that set it so far apart from others. Me personally i would love to have one and if i ever get the money (and my gf consent) i probably will. AWD makes a difference and granted more and more cars are starting to show up with this feature, but the skyline tends to set the bar. On the import scene there is not a more revered and loved car.
As for aftermarket parts for it....you have to pay out the wazoo for JDM parts and others just for the shear raraty of the car, but the performance gains off of all of it is very very noticable.
The skyline is a performance machine but i do agree that it is a little overrated when it comes to other cars. It should me on so high of a pedistool but it should still be on one.
As for aftermarket parts for it....you have to pay out the wazoo for JDM parts and others just for the shear raraty of the car, but the performance gains off of all of it is very very noticable.
The skyline is a performance machine but i do agree that it is a little overrated when it comes to other cars. It should me on so high of a pedistool but it should still be on one.
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Rep Power: 0 ^^^exactly. You can buy a z06 for like 55k. it will kill the stock skyline in a straight line..and for not much money it will out handle it. But thats just like saying why is your mercedes more than a hyundai. Speed isn't everything when it comes to cars, obviously. I am also probably the only other domestic lover on this site besides Sadboy...
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^^^exactly. You can buy a z06 for like 55k. it will kill the stock skyline in a straight line..and for not much money it will out handle it. But thats just like saying why is your mercedes more than a hyundai. Speed isn't everything when it comes to cars, obviously. I am also probably the only other domestic lover on this site besides Sadboy...
^^^exactly. You can buy a z06 for like 55k. it will kill the stock skyline in a straight line..and for not much money it will out handle it. But thats just like saying why is your mercedes more than a hyundai. Speed isn't everything when it comes to cars, obviously. I am also probably the only other domestic lover on this site besides Sadboy...
And about straight lines... Only in America do people obsess over straight line races. If you've noticed, prestigious international race events, like the WRC, F1, Le Mans ALL have curves. So please don't put straight lines on the pedastal.
Furthermore, about Corvette's killing Skyline GT-R's in a straight line. Do know that Japan has a informal horsepower limit of 280? The engineers tune down the Skyline to keep it at 280. If you change the chip and do some minor bolt-ons you easily get 350hp. Which would beat a Corvette, if not give it a run for its money. The Skyline's "slow" straightline performance is based on regulations, not internals.
And about the "for not much money it will out handle it" statement. Bolt-ons cost cheaper than a suspension tune-up, so don't play it up like for $5 dollars more you can beat up a Skyline.
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The engineers tune down the Skyline to keep it at 280
As for straight line performance, i also have videos of stock R34 GTR's running 12.92, so mathing short of a Z06 or 03 Cobra will be beating a skyline in a straightline. Like it was said before the Skyline rsponds extremely well to mods, so $2000 later a Skyline will be pulling the domestics in a straight line.
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Rep Power: 304 I think the older Skyline GTRs are sweet looking cars, and I am one of those who would love to own one if they weren't so overpriced here in America for what you get.
Me, I'd rather take $25-30 and get a nice late model M3, do a few mods to it and have one hell of a car just the same.
Maybe one day when I am stinking filthy rich I can afford to sink $90k into a car that costs half that over seas. Not to mention the maintenence costs, etc.
imho
Me, I'd rather take $25-30 and get a nice late model M3, do a few mods to it and have one hell of a car just the same.
Maybe one day when I am stinking filthy rich I can afford to sink $90k into a car that costs half that over seas. Not to mention the maintenence costs, etc.
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Rep Power: 0 Since someone brought up awd in this thread, and I dont know domestics that well, I wanted to ask this.
Are there any domestics out there that have or are planning to come out with awd?
Just kinda curious
Are there any domestics out there that have or are planning to come out with awd?
Just kinda curious
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Rep Power: 0 I love it when you guys talk straight line and oval tracks. There is SO much driver talent there. Please please please educate yourselves in actual racing. It takes nothing but mechanical supremecy to run straight lines. And what does that prove? Your mechanic is better than the other guys mechanic? And don't get me started on making left turns all day. The most boring tracks in GT3 are the ovals. I friggin dread them, just cause all I have to do is widen out the gearing...race is over. (No, I haven't ran an oval IRL just cause it would be so boring). Talk to your local SCCAs, take some driver courses, you will quit talking about straight line.
Oh, and as for the Skyline? I would love to own one. Am I going to? No...I am not paying $80k for a car that sells for $15k in Japan (used). I'd go pick up an NSX first.
Oh, and as for the Skyline? I would love to own one. Am I going to? No...I am not paying $80k for a car that sells for $15k in Japan (used). I'd go pick up an NSX first.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by CPEasy02
^^^^ not that i know of. I heard that they were going to bring back the camaro and firebird as AWD cars but i'm not sure...that is just talk.
^^^^ not that i know of. I heard that they were going to bring back the camaro and firebird as AWD cars but i'm not sure...that is just talk.
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Rep Power: 304 Speaking of the NSX... It seems like they are compared to the Skyline many times in terms of price and prestige. But is the NSX really a comparible car to the Skyline, since lets face it, like has been said in this thread, the Skyline _is_ sexy for it's rarity here.
From a local NSX meet here recently. Don't see that many Skylines in one place around here!
From a local NSX meet here recently. Don't see that many Skylines in one place around here!
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by IMURMILK1
Where in my fvckin post did I criticize the skyline? I love the skyline...I was sticking up for it...read jackass
Where in my fvckin post did I criticize the skyline? I love the skyline...I was sticking up for it...read jackass
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Originally posted by DC5@EM2
Since someone brought up awd in this thread, and I dont know domestics that well, I wanted to ask this.
Are there any domestics out there that have or are planning to come out with awd?
Just kinda curious
Since someone brought up awd in this thread, and I dont know domestics that well, I wanted to ask this.
Are there any domestics out there that have or are planning to come out with awd?
Just kinda curious
