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Old Aug 11, 2003
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What exactly makes a part legal?

What is requried for an aftermarket part to be legal? Just passing emissions? What does CARB legal mean? Isn't it "California Air Resources Board" or something? Does CARB legal mean it passes emissions? Can you have one and not the other?

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Come on, this is a more informative topic than which exhaust sounds the riciest, oops, I meant "loudest." My bad.

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it has to pass smog
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yea California Air Resources Board, i think they decide whats legal


if it passes carb, then it will pass anywhere...now there are some places with no emmissions
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Any just about any carb legal part sucks, too. (I.e. DC header)
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so the aem cai sucks?, lol
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I heard it's possible for something to pass emissions but not be legal.

Is this true?

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a turbo wouid be an example of that, for since it runs of exhaust gases anyways emissions it would pass but it isnt legal for whatever reason the government says we cant have it in Ca unless it has a carb legal sticker on it, which to get that certification would mean to much money for certain companies so they dont bother with it
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Originally posted by IronFist
I heard it's possible for something to pass emissions but not be legal.

Is this true?

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its easily possible for a CAI to be CARB legal, but illegal in some state/area/city/town/world if the law states that under the hood mods are illegal

same thing with exhaust systems...can be CARB legal and within the dB limit, but the law could say that a car has to have a STOCK exhaust system. therefore making the mod/part illegal.
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Something can pass emissions but still be illegal. CARB is somethin special in California that imposes especially strict restrictions on what can/can't be done.

In general, changing anything relating to emissions is illegal, such as an exhaust manifold. Has nothing to do with how much they pollute. If you had a racing header w/ a cat on a civic, it still pollutes less than a lot of other, especially old vehicles.

They just want to make it difficult for people who want to make their cars faster by sacrificing emissions quality.
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it is legal as long as you are not caught
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Originally posted by xtiszx
so the aem cai sucks?, lol
It produces more noise than power... you lose more low end torque than you do gaining high-end torque and you also lose some throttle response. All in all, it sucks, too. But for the fact that it's carb legal means ****. Like any other intake, it's just a pipe with an air filter. I've heard no one get worthy gains from an intake on our engines.

But I happen to like that noise - I don't use low-end power to launch my car when I'm racing to launch my car so it's a give or take compromise. You'd get more throttle response from an SRI (or 1/2 the CAI) but it's just throttle response to me.

There's my review of the AEM CAI for you.
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Originally posted by aki
They just want to make it difficult for people who want to make their cars faster by sacrificing emissions quality.
What? You mean there really aren't people that care for the environment?
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Originally posted by HondaLuver
it is legal as long as you are not caught
You're right - and you'd have to be doing something stupid, or just in the wrong place at the wrong time for that to happen.
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the will rip you a new one....you might as well be if you get caught with a lot of illegal mods.
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Yeah . .you should be ok with about any mods, just as long as they don't attract too much attention. If you get pulled then you were probably doing something dumb, or the cop just has it in for cars that have been worked on .
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Stuff is only made illegal because some azzhole behind a desk desides that it's too hot in his office and a little noisy so he blames it on ricers and global warming. That's why there are not as many parts as there could be. Just because some dork in an office signs a piece of paper that says mods are illegal.
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Originally posted by pheaton
Yeah . .you should be ok with about any mods, just as long as they don't attract too much attention. If you get pulled then you were probably doing something dumb, or the cop just has it in for cars that have been worked on .
The trick is to not look like it.
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^ Yeah, the only thing I would add that might be illegal would be under the hood, like a header. That's what I was asking about, actually.

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Get a header that eliminates the cat. At least you'll go a bit faster.
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