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Hmm, been thinking about which cars would be an overall better buy for a project/race/show car. Either a 7th gen coupe with k20 swap and built internals etc etc...running about 300 whp all motor, or the newer Jetta GLI vr6's? Keep in mind that when/if i race, it'd be against mostly honda's/acura's at the night scene and i dono if people would really wanna race their all motor 4-bangers against an all motor vr6. However i think the jetta's are somewhat limited to I/H/E/Cams/performance Chips. I do'nt really see anything else out for the vr6 other than that to stay N/A.

Sorry if this was all confusing and unorganized, but lemme try to clear up the question...

Would you rather have a swapped civic with hytech kit or jetta vr6 for racing other all-motor cars. IMO i think i have a better chance of people wanting to run if i had a civic (but that's just me because i've never really seen any jettas at the night scene).

Also, what do you guys think the ball park figure wuld be for the vr6 for someone under 21? I would ask this at a jetta/VW forum but i don't know of any.

Thanks

 
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My friend used to have a 98 Golf GTI VR6, with a supercharger. that thing was damn quick. So the VR6 Jetta may not be as limited as you think. I hear the VW engines are bulletproof (dont qoute me on that, i dont know anything for sure), and you could always get a smaller pulley for that SC and go even faster.

 
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i never said that they were limited in all performance mods, BUT, i do think they're some-what limited when it comes to going all motor. I know of stage 3 turbo's etc etc, but like i said before, i don't want to go turbo. I prefer to stay NA over NOS and FI

 
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The VR6 makes the car front heavy... they've got quite a bit of understeer. But they can be made fast in a straight line. They can handle... but it takes some time and work.

 
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The VR6 is a really nice car for daily driving, but I'd go with the 1.8T for racing. The parts are limited for the VR6 unless you wanna go custom. Even APR is slow to come out with VR6 parts.

However... if you're gonna go all-motor and you have the money, the VR6 would be great. It would just cost a lot more to do. A Jetta GLI is more than a swapped Civic. The car feels very solid, but there are a few quarrels I have with it. The coils are on recall right now, and the floormats can eat it. Other than that, it's good though.

If you could do a custom supercharger for it... it'd HAUL. That'd be my choice, but it's also my very expensive choice.

 
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I read in a magazine that the Jetta was the "official" car of the gay community. My uncle told me about it cause I was thinking of getting one. I will not be getting one now.

 
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that is one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard...so you didn't get the car because you think either females or gays drive it? WHO CARES if homosexuals tend to have those cars more than others, i don't speculate that a car makes someone's character nor do i feel that i wont get a specific car because of who i may see driving it. Sorry, if this is too controversial or anything like that, but i'm 16 and that comment sounds more juvenile than me.

BESIDES, i didn't ask whether or not you think the car is "gay" or not, i asked if it'd be a good platform to work on an all-motor car to race with, also considering it's a vr6 and not a 4 banger so the # of honda/acura's willing to run with me, whom are also NA, will be limited.

 
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you mentioned racing, so I have to ask... what type of racing do you want to do? Like Boilermaker1 said, the VR6 is nose heavy and udersteers like no other. (Its fun watching my friends VR6 GTi plow through the corners) also, I know that the older VR6 like the ones in the Corrado had a tendency to overheat. The 1.8T is a much more balanced car for corners, but then its FWD Turbo. and that takes a good driver to be able to push it to its potential.


If I were to ever get a VW it would probably be something like this


79 Gti Rabbit

 
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i'm looking for a 1/4 mile car, so nose heavy would be a good thing wouldn't it? having weight down onto the drive wheels during acceleration since a lot of weight transfers to the back wheels? at least thas how i see it. To be honest, i can't drive worth **** when it comes to really knowing your car and it's capabilities in corners...thingsl ike heal-toe shifting, rev-matching isn't exactly something i'm the best at, but maybe a few years down the road i might autocross, but for now, i'm just looking to build a fast car, not become a fast driver, heh

 
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I don't give a damn what you asked for. You wanted opinion, I gave it. I just thought it was an interesting article on Jettas I read recently and thought it'd be funny to share it. Since you are so intent on tearing me a new ***, why you don't take it to PM instead of tar and feathering me out in public kid.

 
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No, what i asked for was opinions pertaining to performance, not opinions on either car's reputation. How am i even attempting to take you on publicly, i don't know you and vice versa. I wasn't trying to start anything with my reply, i was merely trying to get the point across to post constructive criticism about the performance aspect two cars.

 
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And I wasn't stating any malicous remark against gays or anything. If you read my post again, you'll notice that I was also seriously considering a Jetta. VW's right now have a poor reputation for build quality. I'm not being opinionated about that either. Most reports say the interior quality of the Jetta is poor, and the Turbo on the 1.8 tend to go. That's my techinical assessment. My opinion for real is that it is a poor man's BMW. It even looks like a BMW. Aftermarket support is good though. You might like the Hyundai TIburon if you like the Jetta. The Tiburon has virtually all the options the Jetta provides...

 
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My buddy has a jetta and that thing is quick as some ****. He smoked by friend in his 2001 Camaro SS that is doing high 11's low 12's. Even though I have a civic I would get the Jetta.

 
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im considering a gli also, but the thing thats making me think is that its an FF layout. my other choice is the wrx cause its AWD. both are great cars with lots of potential, im sure you can even look into swapping audi motors in there, like an s4...which could be pretty crazy. but the whole drivetrain thing is a biggie for me.

im not knocking you, but i dont see the 1/4 mile as real racing. racing is about the driver and the car, and that means curves and strategy and skills. mashing on the pedal isnt skills...but im just rambling. go with the gli, the k20 swap is great and all...but its too much trouble. unless the civic comes w/ the k20 in the 8thGen or last year of the 7th, go w/ the GLI.

 
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to be honest, i'd love to road race, autocross someday...but tuning interests me slightly more at the moment and drag is prolly the best place to show the cars performance and it's engine's tunability(?), i dono, i can't think of another word right now. But the only reason i'm considering the civic is because insurance will rape me for something like a wrx, evo, rsx-s...so i'd rather have civic insurnace payments with the speed of an rsx-s, know what i mean? Having the best of both worlds just so long as the insurance company doens't find out or i happen to crash.

 
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rofl ok well it obviously isnt stock my friend. IF you put enough money into anything you can smoke a stock SS. but NO stock VW will smoke a SS in autocross, 1/4 mile, anything.

 
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Actually, a stock 1.8T can take an SS in autocross, if the driver knows what he's doing. Autocross has A LOT to do with the driver, (but the car is still a factor). Also, the STOCK 337's humble many cars more expensive than them .

P.S. IMO, a Camaro is not a car I would prefer to Autocross in.

P.S.S. My brother's chipped GTI 1.8T smoked my friend's 02' SS in a straight line. Now my friend isn't the best or drivers, and my brother is an exceptional driver, so that obviously had a lot to do with it. But it still made my jaw drop to the floor .

 
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exactly.

Example, Stock Hundi Tiberon (the old "Slow" one). Running in H-Stock, on one course put down a 75.565. on that same coures a B-Stock Firebird?Trans am? put down a 75.781.


Tiberon


Loser



In autocross Driver is about 95% of what makes a car fast.

 
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EDIT: A cut-n-past from a PM conversation about my opinon of the GLI:

I love the performance of the car although it is a bit different from my civic. Due to the 6 speed it is definately more of a freeway car than a drag car. For some reason VW designed it so you would need to shift to 3rd to go from 0-60 which is out of the ordinary. That being said...I have taken the car to the drag strip and ran times about equal to what I ran in my civic with a 50 shot of N2O.

The VR6 is a good motor and after about 8000 miles I have had absolutely no problems with mine. All the major problems you hear about with VW's such as coils and window regulators have been corrected with the 2003 models and there have been no real complaints.

As for performance mods, the 24v aftermarket is growing, but slowly. Like with every car, nitrous is the easiest way to add power, but because th 24v has a dual runner intake manifold, direct port is the only safe way to set it up. VF engineering has a multi stage setup for superchargers that 24v owners absolutely love. When you visit the link...just remember that the HP readings are at the wheels! Of course GIAC also makes a chip for the 24v, but so far, since the 24v does not have FI, the chips mainly raise the rev limiter and increase throttle smoothness.

I'll answer your last two questions at once by saying the transmission is the part that made the sell for me. To me the shift feel is smooth and notchy and the shift gates are a nice width apart. Plus the 6 hasn't had the same reliability complaints as other have had with the 5spd grinding in 2nd until the synchros die.

I'll finish up by saying that I'd recommend the GLI with a couple caveats. First, if you want better aftermarket support for the engine, I'd recommend the GTI 20th anniversary ed. This is the only VW that mates the 6spd with the 1.8T, which to me is the nicest combo for modding. If you're interested in the VR6 engine, I'd recommend it waiting for the 2005. The new gen Jetta and Golf will be out in 05, and the 3.2 liter 240hp VR6 that is in the Golf R32 will be standard in these cars. Here's a pic of my car now with 35% tints and an H&R cup kit suspension that lowers about 1.8in.

 
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is this just about tuning a volkswagon a4 series car with a vr6 engine for racing? why not get a golf/gti? basically the same car, but a hatchback.. and a little lighter.