tiptronic?
Because a plain auto gets boring and he may want to play. And dont say well get a manual or whatever. I had no choice in the decision, my mom bought me my car and though I wanted a stick, she got an auto. Though it sux having an auto, I am grateful for my mom having bought me a car.
Hes just looking into his options for stuff he can do for his car.
Thats why!
Hes just looking into his options for stuff he can do for his car.
Thats why!
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I can't comment on the Audi, but...
The BMW "steptronic" isn't bad, for an automatic. I think they finally got the thing where you push forward to shift down and pull back to shift up (the way it "should" be). It used to be the opposite (counter-intuitive).
Of course its no match for the SMGII -- talk about doing it right. A manual gearbox with the automatic mode and varying levels of shift speed. Plus it blips the throttle to match the revs and you get some pretty nice downshifts... I hear its supposed to make its way into the next M5. Currently, its only an M3 item.
As far as the paddle shifting manual gearboxes go, BMW is pretty darn good, as is the Ferrari. The Toyota system apparently shifts slower than a driver can, so the car isn't quicker (its actually slower). However, if you want the sequential manual for track duty, its worth it. I mean imagine being able to rip off seamless downshifts without having your hands leave the wheel.
The BMW "steptronic" isn't bad, for an automatic. I think they finally got the thing where you push forward to shift down and pull back to shift up (the way it "should" be). It used to be the opposite (counter-intuitive).
Of course its no match for the SMGII -- talk about doing it right. A manual gearbox with the automatic mode and varying levels of shift speed. Plus it blips the throttle to match the revs and you get some pretty nice downshifts... I hear its supposed to make its way into the next M5. Currently, its only an M3 item.
As far as the paddle shifting manual gearboxes go, BMW is pretty darn good, as is the Ferrari. The Toyota system apparently shifts slower than a driver can, so the car isn't quicker (its actually slower). However, if you want the sequential manual for track duty, its worth it. I mean imagine being able to rip off seamless downshifts without having your hands leave the wheel.
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So far there have been only 2 companys that have in my opinion done it "OK". Audi and BMW. [/B]
So far there have been only 2 companys that have in my opinion done it "OK". Audi and BMW. [/B]
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I am in the same position that you two are in with being stuck with an automatic. Sucks very much.
I am in the same position that you two are in with being stuck with an automatic. Sucks very much.
What do you mean about the BMW being counter-intuitive. We have a 2001 Z3 with triptronic and to shift up, you bump it up, and to shift down, you bump it down.
To me that makes sense, Im confused now.
To me that makes sense, Im confused now.
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Originally posted by 2k2EXCOUPE
What do you mean about the BMW being counter-intuitive. We have a 2001 Z3 with triptronic and to shift up, you bump it up, and to shift down, you bump it down.
To me that makes sense, Im confused now.
What do you mean about the BMW being counter-intuitive. We have a 2001 Z3 with triptronic and to shift up, you bump it up, and to shift down, you bump it down.
To me that makes sense, Im confused now.
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That is exactly correct. I think for 2002 though, BMW changed it so its "correct". Pull back to shift up, push forward to shift down.
I know thats how the Champ Cars are, and I think the XTrac box used in a lot of race cars is the same way.
That is exactly correct. I think for 2002 though, BMW changed it so its "correct". Pull back to shift up, push forward to shift down.
I know thats how the Champ Cars are, and I think the XTrac box used in a lot of race cars is the same way.
Originally posted by Boilermaker1
in a race car box.... like LeMans or something, you pull back to upshift and forward to down shift. BMW did it backwards... the theory would be that while you're getting thrown back under hard acceleration, you pull in the same direction. As you're being pushed forward under braking, you push forward as well. Thats the way it appears on the in-car camera on TV anyways....
in a race car box.... like LeMans or something, you pull back to upshift and forward to down shift. BMW did it backwards... the theory would be that while you're getting thrown back under hard acceleration, you pull in the same direction. As you're being pushed forward under braking, you push forward as well. Thats the way it appears on the in-car camera on TV anyways....
See to me, thats weird. My friends Mazda Protege 5 has the triptronic and its like that. I prefer the way my moms z3 is, to me, that makes more sense. But I understand now what you mean.
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Thats why SMG is cool... upshift on the right, downshift on the left.
Thats why SMG is cool... upshift on the right, downshift on the left.
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See to me, thats weird. My friends Mazda Protege 5 has the triptronic and its like that. I prefer the way my moms z3 is, to me, that makes more sense. But I understand now what you mean.
See to me, thats weird. My friends Mazda Protege 5 has the triptronic and its like that. I prefer the way my moms z3 is, to me, that makes more sense. But I understand now what you mean.
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