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What with all the competition and rivalry between Civic Si's and Regular Civics. Around where I live there is alot of bashing and trash talking about each others cars especially in this category. I mean arent they both 7th genz? And both Civics? I mean damn- someone correct me if I'm wrong but it doesnt make sense to me.

 
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no si aint a 7th gen kar. different engine. different frame. n itz a 3rd gen really

 
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They all talk crap around here too.... But not a single one will step up and talk crap about me! lol

 
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i will.
your car sucks!!
(j/k )

 
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People with Si's talk **** just because their car reaches on the average a WHOPPING .4 seconds faster than the regular Civic stock Vs. stock.

It's ****ing gay. In a broad perspective both cars + the RSX Hype S are slow in their stock form. All 3 cars share the same damn Civic chassis and people want to have bragging rights over which car is obivously better.

If you're gonna bash 1, bash all. **** all 3 Civics that all share the same capability to be better than the other with the right amount of mods.

 
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Uhm, since when was the d17 in the same league as the K20A2?

 
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The regular civics are below the SI in the food chain. But the SI in below the RSX-S in the food chain.

The only time I've seen people talking sh*t about whose is better, its just been a bunch of ricer kids.

 
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christ. they're both civics. they're both hondas. they're both built for economy. wtf is there a rivalry about?

 
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stop the hate children

 
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Don't be a ****. You know what he was saying.

With the right amount of mods, any of the 3 cars can be quick. They are all hondas regardless of which way you look at it.

 
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Think "prejudice." People like to categorize themselves and like to associate with those who are similar and seperate themselves from those who are different. It's like racism except that "race" is replaced with "cars." Carism? Haha. ha... ha... ok I'll shut up.

 
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that's a little extreme ^ lease:

 
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both cars are great in their own world, but why they hatin.. they are both civics and both hondas... tho the main argument is prolly on power difference... so the si is 19000, and the ex is about 15500, so juss put 3500 into mods... hahaa.. oh.. and the rsx type s will be second to the si-r wen it comes next year.. its 220hp..

 
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I dont get why people keep comparing two obviously different engines. Since some people can compare a K20 to a D17, im going to compare the LPELS1 to the K20.

K20 - Front wheel drive 16 valve 4 cylinder
LPELS1 - Twin turbocharged 427 ci 8 cylinder RWD

K20 - 200 hp at the crank
LPELS1 - 725 BHP

K20 - properly tuned, maybe 15's in 1/4 mile (just stock engine)
LPELS1 - straight from factory, 8.9 1/4 mile @ 153 mph


Now please stop comparing the K20 to the D17, because they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!

If you keep comparing, i am just going to post this

VS.

 
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I don't see why everyone is so ate up on this matter. The guy that gets the civic EX is going to pocket the the 3000 he saved on the Si and the 5000 he saved on the RSX and hopefully make his ride just as nice with aftermarket parts. 8000 is a whole bunch to work with. Now correct me if I am wrong but a 127 HP VTECH with a turbo will make just as much power as the Type S if not more.

 
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Why the **** would you compare engines? We are not comparing engines, we're comparing CARS.

A car is powered by the engine, the engine does not = the car. It is like the brain that decides how it will perform.

A car is frame. It is a body. The chassis = the car.

DC5, EM2, EP3, ES1 = same Civic chassis thus virtually same car with minor differences in shape and size.

Putting a K20 into an EM2 is like giving humans brain transplants. Same body, different mindset but both bodies can share the same brains and only look different on the outside.

Get over it, they are all Civics with different attributes.

 
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Depends on how much money you have. Obviously most likely the guy with the RSX has a larger wallet for insurance and mods. Turboing an RSX engine would outclass a turboed Civic engine unless the Civic had the same engine as the RSX and similar or better mods. But hopefully for that to happen, the guy with the Civic started out with the larger wallet for more mods.

Being on the level of a stock RSX-S might be impressive to some Civic owners but in a broad perspective, the car is still slow and would definitely be considered slow to any RSX-S owner with enough mods... i/h/e/Hondata/tires/lightweight wheels = possible mid - high 13s.

 
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ummm SIs are 4 seconds faster than stock ex's? thats stretching it a little. and actually the new SIs are 4th gens if im not mistaken.

 
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He said (0.4) not (4.00) seconds

 
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they are .4 seconds faster, depending on the drivers, conditions, blah blah blah.

Anyway, i have come to realize in the past 2 years that the engine in the car doesnt matter. When i saw a car with a SOHC ZC run a 10.2 1/4 mile, i realized that you can make most any engine make power.

That SOHC ZC was in the Venom CRX for a while, and i saw it at the NOPI nationals a few years back when it was at LACR.

But some engines do make more power in their stock form. And some engines do make more power with the same mods. If you can make a ZC run low 10's, then i am sure you can do the same with a D17. The K20 may be good enough to run high 9's. I dont know. Im not into the whole drag race circuit. Maybe someone already has. But if a ZC made enough power, then there is hope for our 'lil D17's

 
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they might be 3 different cars but they are all Hondas.....they should stop the fighting amongst themselves and talk shyt on ford focus' or something

 
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I dont like focuses.

or is it focus', or foci'

i dont know, they are just displeasing to my eyes. I guess my taste is a little different than most people.

 
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yeah i hate em too......i dont believe that those things have DOHC and we don't

 
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Well actually, with the right amount of mods, ANY car can be quick. It's not limited to just the SI, EX/LX/DX, and the RSX just because they share the same chassis. Get off your high horse. The s2k is a Honda. Does it mean that the Civic is comparable to it?

 
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You repeated what I said.

And a civic vs an RSX is a much closer comparison than civic vs S2000. lol

 
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Ok, so I had to register here and set a few things straight.

Civic Si's are not 19K --- maybe a few early buyers, but not for the last 1.5 years, they have sold consistently for 14K-17K NEW.

I, for example, paid 15.6K and got a bunch of extras like tinted windows, accessory alloys, etc... anyway, they had a blue ex w/ spoiler and (p)leather for 18.6K --- now, the choice was easy after that. I realize they sell EX's for 15-16 occasionally... this all means that for all pratical purposes the Si and the EX sell for the same price. In my case, I feel I got the better value.

Now as for the cars all being the same chassis? wtf, crack are you smoking... find me a SINGLE HONDA DOCUMENT showing the ep platform is even vaguely based on the em (or ek/eg for that matter) platform and I will shut up.

Also, this is pathetic, they are both dope *** Hondas in there own way. Get over it.

I'm out.

 
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if the si wuz available at the same time i bought my 2k2 ex at that 15-16k price..hell yeah i woulda taken it...**** those ppl who say it looks like crap..i'd still take it

 
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Reading comprehension > you

Civic chassis' that correspond with the EP3 chassis are as follows:

EM2
ES1
DC5

All which I have made known in an earlier post, and who needs Honda documents when common sense/a lil' knowledge is encouraged here.



Read, read, READ!

 
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Yes, they do share similar chassis, and are based on the same platform.