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has anyone here done the gude performance head package. i just got off the phone with Bill Gude and he says he has had very good luck with their package. on the d17a2 it includes ported and polished head, racing valve grind ported throttle body, cam. he is claiming a 40whp gain and states that they usually see about 149whp with this set up. he also says he has not had any problems with tuning what so ever. idle is great and the ecu doesnt need tuning to allow their set up to run good. i was quoted $1250 for the entire set up which isnt a bad price for what your getting. just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them. he says they have done over 100 cars here in socal. so i am hoping to bump into one of them here to find out their opinion.

 
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Id say stay away from Gude. One member has some problems with them, long long time ago though, Im not sure if you can still find it on the forums. Try searching and see if anything comes up, all I remember is the product didnt perform up to the claims (not even close).

 
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Yea, this package didn't do much for our cars.

 
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i remember the old thread on the gude package, it was not worth it

 
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anyone remember who it was that did the package???? i want to talk to people first hand if it is at all possible

 
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I don't remember who it was but I do remember that their car ran like **** afterwards.

 
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GUDE is a good company.

Unless I read otherwise from person with the package on the car.
I won't fall into the he said she said ****.

 
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GUDE might be a good company, but the D17 is a bad engine to modify.

 
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Everything on the internet is "he said, she said". Try searching Gude on other car forums on the net and you'll start to see some similarities about the posts.


2 of the members on this site that bought their head package were DC5@EM2 and Jhonda. Here are a couple threads about their experiences.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...highlight=gude
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...highlight=gude

 
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they did a terrible job with the d17.even stupid dh racing gave me some gains.

 
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you are probably better off getting a crower cam and lift springs and a V-AFC

 
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http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=40943

I found the old forum when I was searching around tonight. Sounds rough


EDIT Its the same one as up there and you should read it bc itll answer ur question

 
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man out of all this it really seems that there was never any conclusion to this. no one ever posted any dyno sheets and only a few ever installed it. and that was like 2-3 years ago. he has since sold hundreds of those packages. man i might be the new ginea pig on this. if it doesnt work out then i can easily sellthe stuff on ebay form what he wants. i mena i woul dbe pissed to pay $2k fot it but $1250 is much cheaper and is easily resellable for the same price. i mean a few people out of hundreds had problems. man i am really torn now between the stg2 crower and the gude package. over all the gude package is going ot be much cheaper but that also tells me that it probably isnt going ot produce the same power after is all said and done. i would really like to see dyno sheets from the Gude package

 
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Well, good luck but be careful. Are they located near you? It's alot easier to make someone finish your order on time, repair faulty goods, or refund your money if you can meet them in person and don't have to conduct business over the phone. Also, you may be able to get some of the same parts and services from other more reputable companies for similar prices.

Crower Cam from www.Truehonda.com $380
Headwork from a reputable local machine shop about $700
Throttlebody work from www.maxbore.com $100

that's $1180 +/- (+ taxes, shipping, blah blah)

the only things that you would be missing from the Gude package are the ported IM and ECU which Gude won't offer for the D17 anyway.

 
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headwork from exospeed nuf said!

 
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i live about 45min away from him. headwork can be done at almost all machine shops. i know of a good one right here in town as well. if i dont go the GUDE route i will do the stg2 crower cam and springs. so that right there is $675. i should be able to get the PnP and valve job done for under $500 from this company it called precision machine in mission viejo. then to bore the t/b probably another $100. that is $1275 so its not much different for me to go that route. i just wish i could actually talk to someone that had gotten the GUDE package done to see what the outcome was after the dyno. i really dont want to do business with GUDE if the outcome was bad but no one ever reported anything different than what the crower guys were experiencing. i did however pull the specs for both cams. the GUDE is 448in 408ex and dur in 281 and dur ex 276. the crower is 396in 326 ex nad dur in 272 and dur ex 262. so it looks like the GUDE is a much more aggressive cam than the crower. but the numbers i got from crower doesnt state whether its for the stg1 or stg2. no matter what the GUDE package is for top end and midrange power. so the problems these guys spoke about in the GUDE threads were no gains on bottom end. well most of the time headwork and cam wont give much bottom end if any but will allow more power to be created midrange to top end with a higher redline. so top end is what should be affected. but i am worried about the fact that they said you have to feather it to get into the midrange power to begin with. but it has also been years since anyone posted so who knows maybe he has worked out those kinks. no matter waht it will get tuned with at least a vafc2 if not a emanage. i dont doubt that with a tune and all this work 40whp is attainable. but he could be porting too much which is why these guys are experiencing the low end problems

 
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This is where you are wrong. All logic that has to do with adding performance on an engine is not valid when dealing with the D17 engine. You sound like you have already made up your mind, so I don't know why you even asked our opinions. But we have been here for years and have seen EVERYONE fail time and time again. Innevitably, people go FI or swap in the end.

 
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i've seen ONE na member reach the 140whp mark meaning 30whp gain after pnp, cam gear, vafcII IHE and a few other things.

 
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my mind is not made up by far. and i appreciate all your guys response more than it sounds like. like i said i have a lot of parts right now to go FI but dont know if i want to spend the $4k+ to do it right. going the head route will prove to be more reliable on a daily driver. and cost hello less.i am not looking to make huge #'s jsut have a car that is much more fun to drive. if i ran a low 15 to high 14 i would be happy. but as it seems the headwork and cam arent going to yeild that unless i do a 50 shot on the top. which is doable for me i have plenty of nitrous experience. but all in all i just want more power and for it to be reliable. i know you guys have been here for years that is why i ask you opinion and it does affect my opinion everytime i hear someone give a bad review. but also i have heard the same things about the crower as i have about GUDE. it all complaints about bottom end and idle. well the bottom line is i cant do any headwork until i get my turbo and shizz sold so check out my thread if you are interested in anything
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=230244

 
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and i have I|H|E clutch, flywheel. already so the headwork i want to do should compliment the parts i have nicely. FI would require me to sell the cat pipe and header and lose more money. so to me FI is out unless i buy a STI

 
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Hey man I just wanted to let ya know that I have a crower turbo cam that is kicking *** right now. The cam was really nice quality, I talked directly to Brian Crower about it, very good company to deal with. on 5.5 psi I dynoed 201 whp at 6800 and it didnt fall off too bad after that, with substantial torque gains throughout. 7500 soft cut rev limiter keeps the turbo from falling off too bad between shifts. Super top quality products, garanteed to perform. Thats Why Dezod and Truehonda sell them. Id have heard some good and some bad about gude, not enough to make a valid decision.

 
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thank you guys for all your input and i continue to welcome any info that you may have!

 
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just get a damn turbo man... get the dezod turbo run it on stock engine with what 6-8 psi? ull get up and around 145-160 i think.... idk but thats on stock engine with low psi... now if u upgrade internals and get a bigger turbo.... u can get about 2xx hp with a total of 4-4500 spent

 
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or i could roughly make 140+whp with headwork, cam and tune and spend $1500. this is a lot less money than the 3800 that dezod wants for his kit for what 25 maybe 30hp more. and i have a t3/t4 and a few other goodies right now. but to get the i/c, piping, manifold with wastegate and emanage its another $2500 and i have $1250 invested in parts already. so if i wanted to go the turbo route i would i just dont want to puT $4k into the motor work on a daily driver. it would be a lot more reliable to go n/a than turbo but i know ill be sacrificing a few ponies for the $2500 imnot spending. a n/a car is fun as hell to drive as well.