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Hey I've been reading 7thgen civic for a while but never posted so I know I look like a newb. Found this over at ClubRSX and the companies website shows it for the non-si civic also.. http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=227594



http://www.viscoustech.com/

their kit even shortens the side to side throw - looks pretty sweet

anybody tried it yet?

 
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dont buy, only get the revo short shifter, that add on crap doesnt do much, the revo is the entire unit that drops in and it is only 90 bucks, i am sure that thing is atleast 50

 
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guy on there was saying how much better it was than the revo he removed

 
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The guy who posted this said that he had the revo for a year and a half, and said that compared this one the revo is a piece of junk. I was like ok so this guy is trying to sell this thing for his company or something, but then I get to the bottom and there is a disclaimer that said he was not connected to the company at all. $65 shipped, and guys im not promoting this cause I have no clue about this thing, im just saying that people can come out w/ better products than people already have. Especially with a little r and d, maybe this one is better than the revo!

 
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yeah good point - I was hoping to find someone who had already tried it on a civic but I guess it may be too new.

 
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I read all the posts on ClubRSX I think i'm going to give it a try. I dont really want to replace my whole assembly with the Revo. This might be a better option for me... not bad for $65.

 
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Haven't seen that one before
It look alot better than most short throw adapters I have seen on the market.
But I would like to see an exact fixament for the 7th gen.

here is what appears to be a comparison between a dc or neupseed style and their brand

 
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intresting... adjustible..

 
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those adaptors only do the up and down movement.. the side to side is unaffected...

oops saw the one picture with the 2 adaptors.. NICE

 
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I like the look of this adapter, i think i might sell my revo and get this adapter instead.

 
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nice...someone get it and post a review.

 
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... You would have to be on crack to do that.

 
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What is wrong with people? That guy is probally working for a company just cause he said he isin't doesn't mean you should believe him. The revo is the best and always will be imo.

 
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I dunno - alot of people over at clubrsx complain about the revo making extra slop in the shifter feeling lose, some also think the throw reduction isn't enough. I'm willing to be open minded

Maybe Alphax will get it and post a review for us.

 
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It's going to be 105 shipped if you want the front and the side adaptor. Thats a rip.
Nevermind i miss read it my bad.

 
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what if... you combine the revo and like a dc short throw shifter? Would that cut the throw like 65%?

 
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He said that they wouldn't fit together.

 
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Theres probally a reason that Revo didn't make the throw shorter because they could of made it shorter. Probally because if you make it to short and your syncros aren't fast enough it will grind gear.

 
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^^ Basically asked this question K20A_Wanabe.. thought it was a very good point. here is the thread again.

Short Shifter

 
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I think the dealership would probably argue that any short shifter will reduce synchro life - but really its all about driving style (and sometimes honda/acura does actually make a mistake)
I figure as long as you shift when the engine revs match what they should be in for the next gear it doesn't matter how quick the shift is.. I generally revmatch when I shift anyways

 
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I've hear that before.. what is rev matching exactly.. (not just matching rev's )

 
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basicly you shift out of gear - then when the revs get to the RPM they should be at for your current speed and the gear you want to be in , then you shift into gear..

when upshifting (1-2-3-4-5) this is quick and barely noticable as the revs naturally drop while out of gear - a lightened flywheel will also make for faster shifts and less synchro use.

when downshifting (5-4-3-2-1) you have to pull out of gear, blip the throttle, then shift into gear while the RPM are higher.

I've been doing it for enough years that I can do it while heal-toe shifting and braking in a turn.. and it makes driving a little more fun. (also it saved me once when my clutch hydraulics on my wifes subaru when out and i had to drive home with no clutch, I just rev matched and never ground a single gear

 
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I don't like the idea of those adapter things, kind of wierd looking. I have a Scat Drag Fast Shifter in my 69 bug, only throws about 2 inches, and has reverse lockout. I wish they had those for our cars, but I guess our shifters are cable operated or something like that wierd. I think I will go with the Revo soon.

 
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cool only being doing standard for about a year now i'm still learning new stuff... I do blip the throttle when i downshift now tho.

 
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can you even shifter without the clutch with the 7thgen cause they have that gear locks where you cant take it out or put in. i think!

 
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It looks just like the SOLO adapter. I had the SOLO and it was awsome!

 
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So has anyone driven an RSX or Civic with this part installed? I'm curious... I like the shifter to a little taller, but still have a short throw. I've got a Revo now, and it's OK, but feels kind of cheap compared to the solid OEM assembly (even with the aluminum bushings holding it in place).

 
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yes you can shift without the clutch cause ive done it before just to try it, but i dont see the point.. those adapter things are a piece of junk... if you think about how short shifters work, its all about the angle of the shift linkage and the shift point.. the higher the shift point the lower the throw.... you can see this when you compare with the older gen civics integras etc. the ball is alot higher up from the o ring where the shift linkage attaches. same principle in our cars the cable that shifts up or down is a lot higher than where it used to be... revo just decided to make theres one pice and charge more.... i have the cheap ebay one and its actually feels shorter than my friends revo..

 
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its basic highschool physics - the adaptors are shifting the cable attachment farther from the pivot/vertex -
Only difference is this adaptor is the only one that does the side-side motion also, and they seem to be pretty high quality.

 
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This is the response someone on ClubRSX got when they asked the manufacturer's basically the question me and K20A_Wanabe had...

Subj: SS affect on synchro life
Date: 1/25/2005 5:48:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "jdavis@viscoustech.com" <jdavis@viscoustech.com>
To: ***********@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


In response to your question there are a few points to look at..

- A short shifter itself doesn't control how fast the synchros mesh. The synchros and blocker rings determine how fast they can match gear speeds.
- A short shifter will actually reduce the leverage on the shift forks from the shift lever, (this can sometimes be felt as an increase in shifting effort). This means as you shift normally you are putting less pressure on the synchros themselves, theoretically reducing wear and increasing their life.
- Synchro life will mostly be determined by the driving style. If it is driven very aggressively most of its life things do wear out faster, and a short shifter will not impede more conservative driving.

For these reasons it is generally understood that if more people with short shifters see shorter synchro life than those without then it is due to the reason they purchased one; they enjoy spirited driving. I should clarify, however, that our shift adaptors will have no more affect on the synchros than any of the others on the market. We have seen no synchro problems due to a short shifter on any vehicle and only heard the myths dealerships hand out to avoid replacing failed components under warranty.

As with anything in the automotive performance world - the harder you drive it the faster things wear out.
I hope this information was helpful and if it is any consolation I have a short shifter on every car I own.

Jon Davis
Director
Viscous Technologies LLC