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Old Sep 23, 2004
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Best ECU Mod?

I have an automatic 2004 Civic EX and have been trying to decide on what fuel/air management system to go with:

- AEM EMS
- Greddy E-Manage
-Apexi VAFC-II
-Venom 400

What do you guys reccommend, and will all of these work with an automatic transmission. I plan on getting turbo within a couple of months, if that makes any difference.

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Well if your going to get a turbo get the greddy emanage.
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- AEM EMS not applicable to the 7th gen
- Greddy E-Manage definatly the way to go, Especially with a boost application.
-Apexi VAFC-II not that great
-Venom 400 this will advance your timing a bit.. bad for boost
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why does AEM say that their ecu is for our gen? has anyone bought it? do you know for sure? cause i was looking to getting the AEM EMS. also i heard the greddy ones werent that great, but thats what i heard. just wondering.
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Not available yet. The venom only tricks some sensors, and the vafcII gets reset by the ecu. So get the e-manage and the bypass that sends the ecu a fake "okay" signal under 1psi of boost.
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Originally Posted by djmota
- Greddy E-Manage definatly the way to go, Especially with a boost application.
What exactly does it do to a N/A car?
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What exactly does it do to a N/A car?
adjust fuel curves. Also with the ignition harness, it allows your to advance or retard your timing.
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is the Greddy E-Manage compatible with an automatic transmission, I had heard it wasn't.
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there is no point in getting an EMS unless you have some serious mods (i.e forced induction or severe engine work).. save your money and do your mods first.
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Emanage and Auto...

Originally Posted by ofourcivic
is the Greddy E-Manage compatible with an automatic transmission, I had heard it wasn't.
I have no experience with the unit but that is what Dezod is using in his kit right?
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Hmmm...I'm not sure about tha turbo application...isn't that only for manual?
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VAFC II gets reset by the ECU? wtf?
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Originally Posted by snowboreddave
there is no point in getting an EMS unless you have some serious mods (i.e forced induction or severe engine work).. save your money and do your mods first.


unless you have some engine work done it would be kinda pointless to get any type of ems. put in some mods first
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What would be the best for N/A if i have an LX?
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whats the best piggyback mod for a lx with I/H/E? IMPROVING THE QUARTER MILE TIME?
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vafcII is good for light mods. It doesn't work on 03-04 civic ecu. E-manage and ems are overkill, and venom plain sucks.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
vafcII is good for light mods. It doesn't work on 03-04 civic ecu. E-manage and ems are overkill, and venom plain sucks.
How is the vafc II for those of us with 01-02 models? I have I/H/E and aem pullies.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
vafcII is good for light mods. It doesn't work on 03-04 civic ecu. E-manage and ems are overkill, and venom plain sucks.
VAFC2 works for me. old dyno of 231whp and new estimated 270whp.
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that's weird, i can't get my vtec to kick in properly without the cel coming on with the v-afc2....

i was thinking about emanage, but does anyone think it's actually worth it for a n/a car?
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Originally Posted by gtracing
that's weird, i can't get my vtec to kick in properly without the cel coming on with the v-afc2....

i was thinking about emanage, but does anyone think it's actually worth it for a n/a car?
The VAFC works to adjust fuel. The vtec controller portion is only good as a VTEC light or if you do a LS/EX vtec conversion. DO not mess with the VTEC engagement points. It will make you car do weird things. I know from dyno tuning. Stock ECU does not like VTEC changed.
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The e-manage has functions you'll never need like timing adjust, injector duty cycle, etc. Plus it's a pain to tune it. Most shops don't know how to do it right.

That's very strange about your vtec. Did you ever get a code reader and find out what the cel number was? That will tell you at least what's wrong.
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gerabox, i'm already 4 steps ahead of you...yea, i got it to work once on the dyno, got amazing numbers...but since after that, the cel always comes on...i checked the code and it was just the vtec problem code...can't delete the code, nothing...so i dunno, i'll just leave it as stock i guess
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Originally Posted by gtracing
gerabox, i'm already 4 steps ahead of you...yea, i got it to work once on the dyno, got amazing numbers...but since after that, the cel always comes on...i checked the code and it was just the vtec problem code...can't delete the code, nothing...so i dunno, i'll just leave it as stock i guess
did you solder your connections or use crimps. You have to solder the conections. maybe that is your problems
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i've used the greddy system (with the e-01) on different cars and the apexi model. personally, i think they're both very good but I prefer the apexi. once you learn it's complicated system there is really no limit to what you can do with it. and if you got the boost controller they make it looks nice having the two together.

the e manage is easier to use, especially with the e-01 or the newer 02 model
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get obit by cartonics

obit is a great ECU designed for closed looped systems like the newer Civics
http://www.obitasia.com/piggyback_ecu_o-bit.htm
function include: http://www.obitasia.com/function.htm

recorded 15% bhp gain after dyno. i think is impressive for an NA car solely boosted by electronics & simple i/h/e bolt ons alone.

Last edited by Deadkookaburra; Nov 16, 2004 at 07:42 AM.
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The AEM ECU is out for the motor, however the multiplex controller isn't functioning at this time.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
vafcII is good for light mods. It doesn't work on 03-04 civic ecu. E-manage and ems are overkill, and venom plain sucks.
sorry to bring this back from the dead but i've never heard this before.
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yeah i may stay n/a on d17 lol.........
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im getting ems. and yes there is one for our cars. ems can do more stuff than e-manage. I would go with ems, but only if you have money and the mods to work it. I usually only see higher end vehicles using the ems, such as supras etc.
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