Found a affordable Fuel Rail for us all...
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Found a affordable Fuel Rail for us all...
For all of us that have been anticipating the AEM fuel rail to come out and don't wanna pay the bucks out for the $260 piece of aluminum, here may be a alternative a rail by STR for $123- I'm gonna get one an tell you what I think here after the 15th....take it easy guys! Stevo 
http://www.racingworks.com/str_fuelrail.htm
http://www.racingworks.com/str_fuelrail.htm
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do we know it works on our d17's? if so drilling and tapping a hole would be a LOT easier then welding a fitting onto the stock fuel rail
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Originally Posted by tfnaaf
do we know it works on our d17's? if so drilling and tapping a hole would be a LOT easier then welding a fitting onto the stock fuel rail
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Rep Power: 0 thats what I was thinking too, I bet it wouldn't bet that hard either--
LOL if not that one there is a cheaper one but ... I dunno anout this one---
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
LOL if not that one there is a cheaper one but ... I dunno anout this one---
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
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Rep Power: 323 if it really fits then I am sure it would already be tapped for a return line just like prev gens. But i am still a pessamist. I wont believe it until someone proves it fits. Would be nice
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Originally Posted by Gotti
why dont u people believe it when its written down on that website....specifically for d17 engines?
Originally Posted by Zachgeyer
rial olny if you have Nos right ?
You put the fuel into your fuel fill valve at the gas station...gravity takes it to the fuel tank in the back 1/3 of the car. It sits there until the throttle is opened and sends a signal to the in-tank fuel pump to pump it through the series of relatively small pipes...these tubes take it from the fuel tank all the way to the engine bay...the last tube connects to the end of the fuel rail, which evenly distributes the fuel to the four fuel injectors that are welded to it, which inject the fuel into each corresponding cylinder to be combusted.
In any electronically fuel-injected car, a fuel rail is needed for optimal performance. Carbureted cars work differently, with the fuel and air being mixed in the carburator (I apologize for the bad spellerering
) before being sent into the cylinder.If you meant do you need an UPGRADED fuel rail for a nitrous application, then the answer is probably yes. Keyword being probably. This all deals with direct-port nitrous, injecting it through the fuel injectors straight into the cylinder. You could run a small shot nitrous without an upgraded fuel rail. The larger shot of nitrous, the greater fuel and air you would need to supply.
Fuel Pressure Regulator
In-tank Fuel Pump (Walbro 255 lph)
Larger Injectors with Optimized Spray
Upgraded Fuel Rail
Throttle Body Upgrade
Cold Air Intake
Intake Manifold (Turbo Manifold)
Turbocharger
Intercooler + Piping
Slimline Fans
The larger the nitrous shot, the more of the above you would need to supply the correct amount of fuel and air. Remember that nitrous is not directly burned; it is not a fuel source. Nitrous is simply a catalyst for burning fuel hotter and cleaner, getting more power out of the same amount of fuel. Thus if your system is set up to optimize a 75 HP shot and you change to a 100 HP shot, you're just spraying that extra 25 for no purpose. You would have to supply the extra fuel and air for that extra 25 to actually give you any results.
Along with the nitrous you would also have to compensate with better internals to deal with the pressure of the nitrous and the forced induction if you have that.
Forged Piston Heads
Higher Strength Piston Rings
Forged Connecting Rods
Regrind/Nitrous+Turbo Camshaft
Ported and Polished Cylinder Heads
At this point you're also going to have to upgrade the exhaust to reduce the negative pressure on the engine created by a restrictive exhaust.
3" Cat-back exhaust
Hotshot (or similar) exhaust manifold
Testpipe
Downpipe
Straight-Through Track-Only Muffler
optional: Y-pipe for dual exhaust application
The decieving things about products like this is that they say larger fuel rail - 2 to 3 extra horsepower dyno proven. What they don't explain is it renders and extra 2-3 HP when you upgrade the ENTIRE fuel system. If you put a larger diameter fuel rail onto the stock system, it's gonna do jack shyt, because the fuel pump is still pumping through the TINY tubes all the way to the engine...the fuel rail is just going to be half full and the same amount of fuel is going to get delivered. After upgrading the fuel pump and the injectors (minimum, I would replace the entire fuel delivery system), then you see those horsepower gains. For a simple analogy, if you have a 1.5" exhaust header, a 1.5" cat-back exhaust, and a 1.5" muffler, sticking a 5" exhaust tip is going to do NOTHING.
The exhaust, just like the fuel system, is as restrictive as the point of the smallest diameter (1.5")...to warrant the 5" tip you would need a 5" exhaust header, 5" cat-back exhaust and a 5" muffler (all of which are not made, thus why large tips and mufflers are usually referred to as "ricepipes"...anything bigger than 3" is usually all show). This is also why there is such a big emphasis on mandrel-bent exhausts. A bent exhaust takes a 3" pipe and just puts it in a pipe-bender, so the joint gets crimpled and may only be 2"-2.5" in diameter. Thus your "3 inch cat-back exhaust" is really a 2"-2.5" cat-back exhaust. A mandrel bender bends and welds the pipe in such a fashion that the bends are not crimped and retain the 3" diameter of the rest of the exhaust...this is also why a mandrel-bender also costs $$$$$.
I hope this helps someone.
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Originally Posted by DodgeNeonSRT-4
The larger the nitrous shot, the more of the above you would need to supply the correct amount of fuel and air. Remember that nitrous is not directly burned; it is not a fuel source. Nitrous is simply a catalyst for burning fuel hotter and cleaner, getting more power out of the same amount of fuel. Thus if your system is set up to optimize a 75 HP shot and you change to a 100 HP shot, you're just spraying that extra 25 for no purpose. You would have to supply the extra fuel and air for that extra 25 to actually give you any results.
Nitrous is simply a catalyst for burning fuel hotter and cleaner..............
If you meant do you need an UPGRADED fuel rail for a nitrous application, then the answer is probably yes. Keyword being probably. This all deals with direct-port nitrous, injecting it through the fuel injectors straight into the cylinder. You could run a small shot nitrous without an upgraded fuel rail. The larger shot of nitrous, the greater fuel and air you would need to supply.
If you meant do you need an UPGRADED fuel rail for a nitrous application, then the answer is probably yes. Keyword being probably. This all deals with direct-port nitrous, injecting it through the fuel injectors straight into the cylinder. You could run a small shot nitrous without an upgraded fuel rail. The larger shot of nitrous, the greater fuel and air you would need to supply.
Nitrous oxide provides the oxygen that allows an engine to burn more fuel, more burned fuel equals more power.
And with a wet N2O system additional fuel is also sprayed into your motor......
you are definetely allowed to disagree with me, but if you look at your statement you are actually agreeing with what I said.
in your second quote from the website you use it to refute my statement about needing more fuel and air...it says "allows an engine to burn more fuel"...WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT FUEL COMES FROM? Yes, some of it is just burning the fuel that is already there (fuel that normally remains unburned and wasted)...but the overwhelming majority of it needs to be supplied by a greater air and fuel system...same goes with the oxygen...the nitrous provides a little, but you really need to upgrade that air supply
to illustrate this in real life, strap a 50 shot onto your stock civic...big gains...now a 150...providing you don't blow the piston heads through the hood, you're not going to get much more gains...now upgrade those fuel/air systems and WHAM...big power
in your second quote from the website you use it to refute my statement about needing more fuel and air...it says "allows an engine to burn more fuel"...WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT FUEL COMES FROM? Yes, some of it is just burning the fuel that is already there (fuel that normally remains unburned and wasted)...but the overwhelming majority of it needs to be supplied by a greater air and fuel system...same goes with the oxygen...the nitrous provides a little, but you really need to upgrade that air supply
to illustrate this in real life, strap a 50 shot onto your stock civic...big gains...now a 150...providing you don't blow the piston heads through the hood, you're not going to get much more gains...now upgrade those fuel/air systems and WHAM...big power
also, I would take into account your source (Nitrous Express)...I'm not saying they are giving false information, but I would remember that they are trying to sell you a product...they are obligated to tell the truth, but they may just not tell the whole truth
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Originally Posted by tfnaaf
And with a wet N2O system additional fuel is also sprayed into your motor......
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Originally Posted by DodgeNeonSRT-4
also, I would take into account your source (Nitrous Express)...I'm not saying they are giving false information, but I would remember that they are trying to sell you a product...they are obligated to tell the truth, but they may just not tell the whole truth
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechSer.../NOSTech5.html
Q: How does nitrous work?
A: Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F.
A: Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F.
Nitrous is simply a catalyst for burning fuel hotter and cleaner
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Rep Power: 297 Oxygen burns and nitrogen cools the engine. If you take a bottle of oxygen, crack the valve and put a weedwacker for instance, near the bottle, at full throttle it spins way faster. In about 3 mins it seizes up because of the heat. Look at the composition N20. 2 parts nitrogen 1 part oxygen. Its just adding air, freezing cold uncontaminated air. Note that they mix some sort of sulfur into the mix but it does almost nothing to hinder performance. Its just to keep people from trying to breath it.
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Rep Power: 297 My friend already talked to nopi. Thats a bogus thing. They said it was made only to fit the STR manifolds. Its more than likely not a dirrect bolt-on and you would almost definately hafta hack something to make it fit
Originally Posted by tfnaaf
Is false and incorrect, man i was trying to say it nicely that you dont have a clue. From what your saying N2O burns the exisiting fule hotter/cleaner ( more efficent? ) when it actually introduces more oxygen to the system allowing you to introduce more fuel....as in a wet system already does pre-measured. Or it could be that the 2 largest N2O kit manufactures are lying to us all and i feel for all thier crap!
Look at what I put above to "refine" my statement a little better. Yes, the n20 supplies SOME oxygen to the combustion process but the overwhelming majority is coming from the existing 02 supply system. the nitrous is not a fuel, it's a catalyst to help the fuel work more efficiently (more efficiency = more power produced)
And yes, I am insinuating that major companies would go so low as to bend the facts or even directly lie to us. :cough: Enron :cough: They wouldn't have half the buisness they have now if they didn't.
