Lowering Springs Issues
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Lowering Springs Issues
I made a post of the B16a swap I was working on and my engine is now up and running fine without any problems. Until further tuning I'll have to better my suspension and brakes. 
I was advised to lower my car first then decide on my wheel size; which I did. Haven't done the measurement yet but I am on stock wheels and get a jumping on my right side (driver side) when cornering hard left. I was told that because of no camber my axles hit the inside. I'm going to get coil overs however; probably Yellow's+GC. The springs i now have are cheap HP Design's which I got from a friend. Don't even know the rates.
What would be this jumping? It feels like something is hitting and it's certainly not tires to a fender. Would camber fix this? Before buying good coilovers, I want to be sure if to get a camber kit or not. I'll be using Varrstoen V1's 16x8 +15. Thanks !
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I was advised to lower my car first then decide on my wheel size; which I did. Haven't done the measurement yet but I am on stock wheels and get a jumping on my right side (driver side) when cornering hard left. I was told that because of no camber my axles hit the inside. I'm going to get coil overs however; probably Yellow's+GC. The springs i now have are cheap HP Design's which I got from a friend. Don't even know the rates.
What would be this jumping? It feels like something is hitting and it's certainly not tires to a fender. Would camber fix this? Before buying good coilovers, I want to be sure if to get a camber kit or not. I'll be using Varrstoen V1's 16x8 +15. Thanks !
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Re: Lowering Springs Issues
I'm not any sort of expert on lowering Hondas, but I have a few questions:
Just to be clear, the car looks like a South American import, and it really is a Right Hand Drive model?
Please elaborate on this description.
I'm picturing several possibilities from that vague description:
Wheel and tire hop? (tire scrub on the pavement in a tight turn?)
Mechanical noise or vibration? (CV joint bad?)
Unwanted physical interference or contact between two items that shouldn't?
Does this occur at any speed?
Does this occur only when cornering rapidly? Normal driving?
Does this occur when going very slow, as in parking maneuvers?
How about the RATE that it jumps at? Once per wheel revolution? 3x per revolution? 6x?
Can you make a video of the problem and post it?
Hit the inside of what?
The body? You should be able to see evidence of contact.
CV joint bottoms out? That would probably make the whole drivetrain shake side to side about 3x per wheel revolution.
Only if that is truly the problem.
You have to figure out what is wrong, before you can figure out how to make it right.
From the pic posted, the car doesn't look like it's been lowered very much.
Just to be clear, the car looks like a South American import, and it really is a Right Hand Drive model?
get a jumping
I'm picturing several possibilities from that vague description:
Wheel and tire hop? (tire scrub on the pavement in a tight turn?)
Mechanical noise or vibration? (CV joint bad?)
Unwanted physical interference or contact between two items that shouldn't?
Does this occur at any speed?
Does this occur only when cornering rapidly? Normal driving?
Does this occur when going very slow, as in parking maneuvers?
How about the RATE that it jumps at? Once per wheel revolution? 3x per revolution? 6x?
Can you make a video of the problem and post it?
I was told that because of no camber my axles hit the inside.
The body? You should be able to see evidence of contact.
CV joint bottoms out? That would probably make the whole drivetrain shake side to side about 3x per wheel revolution.
Would camber fix this?
You have to figure out what is wrong, before you can figure out how to make it right.
From the pic posted, the car doesn't look like it's been lowered very much.
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Hey, first of all it's a Japanese Import and yes it's right hand drive. This only happens when I corner really hard left at high speeds. It feels like metal hitting metal somewhere and jumps pretty fast. It's definitely not tire to fender, it's jumps much faster and it's harder surfaces. You won't feel it with normal driving ever and it's not a bad CV joint sound either. It doesn't feel like a wheel revolution jump, just when it leans hard, something ground's out or touch! 
Was thinking... could it be that I'm so low and my stock shocks ground out?
Was thinking... could it be that I'm so low and my stock shocks ground out?
I'm not any sort of expert on lowering Hondas, but I have a few questions:
Just to be clear, the car looks like a South American import, and it really is a Right Hand Drive model?
Please elaborate on this description.
I'm picturing several possibilities from that vague description:
Wheel and tire hop? (tire scrub on the pavement in a tight turn?)
Mechanical noise or vibration? (CV joint bad?)
Unwanted physical interference or contact between two items that shouldn't?
Does this occur at any speed?
Does this occur only when cornering rapidly? Normal driving?
Does this occur when going very slow, as in parking maneuvers?
How about the RATE that it jumps at? Once per wheel revolution? 3x per revolution? 6x?
Can you make a video of the problem and post it?
Hit the inside of what?
The body? You should be able to see evidence of contact.
CV joint bottoms out? That would probably make the whole drivetrain shake side to side about 3x per wheel revolution.
Only if that is truly the problem.
You have to figure out what is wrong, before you can figure out how to make it right.
From the pic posted, the car doesn't look like it's been lowered very much.
Just to be clear, the car looks like a South American import, and it really is a Right Hand Drive model?
Please elaborate on this description.
I'm picturing several possibilities from that vague description:
Wheel and tire hop? (tire scrub on the pavement in a tight turn?)
Mechanical noise or vibration? (CV joint bad?)
Unwanted physical interference or contact between two items that shouldn't?
Does this occur at any speed?
Does this occur only when cornering rapidly? Normal driving?
Does this occur when going very slow, as in parking maneuvers?
How about the RATE that it jumps at? Once per wheel revolution? 3x per revolution? 6x?
Can you make a video of the problem and post it?
Hit the inside of what?
The body? You should be able to see evidence of contact.
CV joint bottoms out? That would probably make the whole drivetrain shake side to side about 3x per wheel revolution.
Only if that is truly the problem.
You have to figure out what is wrong, before you can figure out how to make it right.
From the pic posted, the car doesn't look like it's been lowered very much.
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Can you reproduce the sound by pushing down on one of the corners of the car?
Car doesn't look like its lowered enough to be hitting the shock body but if your rates are soft enough I suppose it is possible.
Car doesn't look like its lowered enough to be hitting the shock body but if your rates are soft enough I suppose it is possible.
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Extreme side loading.....it does not happen when making a similar turn to the right?
Makes me think of 2 things:
Possible bottoming of the strut, maybe missing bumpstopper around the shaft?
Or possible bottoming of the inner CV joint (plunge joint) as the wheel is pushed inward by the weight of the car, while the engine/trans is swung outward by centrifugal force.
An axle that is too long might cause this,
so could a drivetrain that is mounted off center
or a bad mount(s) that lets the drivetrain move too far
To go to the opposite extreme, I've seen crash damage reposition a drivetrain far enough to one side to make an axle pop out (disengage from the transmission) during a turn, and I've seen axles that were too short pop out on turns too.
If suspect: Raise the front end, remove the 2 axle nuts, measure how far each axle stub can be pushed inward. This is measuring how much "plunge" room there is in each of the inner CV joint cups to allow for normal movement of the suspension and drivetrain. There should be similar measurements on each side of the car. If the left side has more room to "plunge" than the right, that might explain it.
HTH
Makes me think of 2 things:
Possible bottoming of the strut, maybe missing bumpstopper around the shaft?
Or possible bottoming of the inner CV joint (plunge joint) as the wheel is pushed inward by the weight of the car, while the engine/trans is swung outward by centrifugal force.
An axle that is too long might cause this,
so could a drivetrain that is mounted off center
or a bad mount(s) that lets the drivetrain move too far
To go to the opposite extreme, I've seen crash damage reposition a drivetrain far enough to one side to make an axle pop out (disengage from the transmission) during a turn, and I've seen axles that were too short pop out on turns too.
If suspect: Raise the front end, remove the 2 axle nuts, measure how far each axle stub can be pushed inward. This is measuring how much "plunge" room there is in each of the inner CV joint cups to allow for normal movement of the suspension and drivetrain. There should be similar measurements on each side of the car. If the left side has more room to "plunge" than the right, that might explain it.
HTH
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like ezone mentioned, lift car, pull out tire and check for metal contact wherever teh supension/steering parts are close to the body. contact should be visible.
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