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Old Dec 10, 2002
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Im looking for new components. Prices aren't really of matter right now. And please also recommend a good amp to go with the components. for the back 6x9" im probably going to run some Pioneer Premier TS-906's. I'd like to just have one 4-channel amp to amplify the components and the 6x9"s. Unless you think that that's not a good idea.
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best components? and price is no option?

Rainbow reference line

that'll run you about $7000 dollars for the pair...

theyre releasing a slightly cheaper set for about $2000 real soon

also pretty good

up there with it too
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Don't let the $7,000 price tag convey to you that they are the "best" components. They are an extremely nice sounding but VERY overpriced set of components. Also listen to the JL Audio XR line, Rainbow Professional series, MB Quart QSD series, the new DLS stuff, and the OZ Matrix series components. All are wonderful sounding speakers. Let your ears decide what is the best sounding speakers and remember install is the key!
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even if i had the 7 grand for em, i still wouldnt buy em...
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the rainbow references on paper and in lab tests sound virtually perfect in transient responce, frequency response, cone eminatates 0.003% THD (FOcal Utopia is a far second at 0.02%) at 1khz at rated power handling....they are potentially the "best" but settong them up properly in a car with it's wacked out cabin gains and losses makes it nearly impossible to let the woofer live up to it's quality.

For Car audio the upper middle end component sets are generally the one's that seem to work best in competitions. likeRainboww Pro series, Focal 165k's , MBQ Q series, CDT classics, Oz Audio matrix, and often mish mash systems using scanspeak, Vifa, addison, AVI Tweeters with home audio midrange drivers and either small subwoofers or large midbass drivers..(Illusion audio ND8's, IDQ8 Free-airs, and many others sound in the scene...

In a civic with it's cheap hard plastic surfaces it's a challenge most people will call you crazy to take if you want to compete in the SQ world.

Some sets that should work really well are Rainbow pro's because of their crazy midbass good midrange and Ultra smooth detailed tweeters... MBQ Q series (with tweeter mounted off axis of course) for it's ultra dynamic ransparent midrange and tight punchy midbass. Focal Utopia's for their strong midbass, smooth midrange and very detailed tweeter(needs attenuation) Or use DD, Rainbow, ID, Illusion, Focal, or Koda midbass drivers, Scanspeak midranges (work extremely well in small sealed enclosures like kicks) and a Vifa, or other ultra smooth detailed home audio tweeter....

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If you are considering MB Quart and price is no object, the QSD line is all you need to listen to. I can personally vouch for these comps, wonderful sounding speakers. Give them an accurate install and some juice and you shold be extremely happy.
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If you are considering MB Quart and price is no object, the QSD line is all you need to listen to. I can personally vouch for these comps, wonderful sounding speakers. Give them an accurate install and some juice and you shold be extremely happy.[hr]
that's cause you have an MB Boner [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]... When it comes to greats like Focal U,s Rainbow Pro's, MBQ Qsd's, CDT's, Dynaudio, Morel....setup will affect sound more than the speaker..but each set has their own qualities and fallbacks... the Q's have the most detailed dynamic midrange of all the sets mentioned. The Midbass on them isn't "as" strong as the other sets and needs to be crossoed over a touch higher or the mids start sounding hollow.. the Rainbows have the best midbass of all the sets mentioned, they have the smoothest tweeter on any axis so tweeter install isn't as picky..but midrange detail and clarity isn't as good as any of the other sets.

Focals are all around good and the most transparent sounding, but their tweeters response just can't be flattened out no matter what you do..the Morels are really smooth great drivers..but they distort when turned up..

It's all about what kind of sound an individual s searching for..
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What I thought I clearly stated in my post was that if he was considering MB Quart speakers and price was not a factor, then all he needed to listen to from the MB Quart line are the QSD series. I realize there are several comp sets that are very nice and I did mention in my first post that install is the key. My "MB boner" is second only to your Rainbow fetish.
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Touche!
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wow... its like 2 people arguing over caviar
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IMO the best way to find the best components for your needs is to go to a car audio show and listen for yourself. I think that this is better then going to a store because they are not in some weird boxes on the wall! See what the pros run and how they run them. This can be a lil difficult because sometimes it is hard to see components, but this is a great way to see subwoofers in proper applications. Most of the guys at shows are more then willing to talk about their cars and what they are running. If you hear a set that you like you can ask the car owner what he is running. It is almost like a blind taste test!
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All this and the guy hasn't even responded back to his thread.

Just listen to all the different brands that have been listed. All are excellent choices. MB Quart gets my vote. On my 3rd set. Just be careful with tweeter position as they can make your ears bleed. Although, I swear they sound so good that the band may as well be on my dash. It's all personal preference though. I just gotta hear these rainbows at some point...
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i dont have that much free time on my hand. i juz got home. and it hasn't even been a day yet (sheesh)..

anywayz, i was thinking bout getting some JLs (XR evolutions). What do you guys think bout them?
and i never would have guessed that there are some $7,000 speakers -_-... what i was talking bout was anything under a 1,000. but thx though ^_^

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All this and the guy hasn't even responded back to his thread. [hr]
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i dont have that much free time on my hand. i juz got home. and it hasn't even been a day yet (sheesh)..

anywayz, i was thinking bout getting some JLs (XR evolutions). What do you guys think bout them?
and i never would have guessed that there are some $7,000 speakers -_-... what i was talking bout was anything under a 1,000. but thx though ^_^[hr]
Sheesh...drink a beer on me! [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG] Didn't pay attention to the date..lol

I don't know why you would want to go with JL if you have that kind of money to spend. Everything listed on this page is a few steps up from those imo. However, if you ears like them then they are the best.

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JL XR beautiful stuff.... for the price its almost unbeatable...
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well I haven't heard any of the speakers listed by anyone here =\. But from what I have listened to in stores, I like the JL's alot. My dad says he likes the Blaupunkt ODca660's alot though. What do you guys/girls think of those?

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well IMO the infinity 6.5 components sound amazing.....the kappa series that is...if i am not mistaken....they sound great but thats just my opinion...like what other ppl stated on this thread it all depends on your setup..and what sounds good to YOU!! [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]
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problem with infinity is the lack of midbass.... nothing below 120Hz exists,
i dont like blaupunkts because blau is simply sony with a different look to it... if i am correct, their parts are built by sony.... but also i dont like how they sound.... JL's wont give you any midbass problems
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JL XR's are a very nice sounding comp set and the price is great. I got a chance to hear the JL Audio demo car and it was very sweet. Of course the bass was scary with 2 13W7's and a 1000/1 on each sub. JL is a nice product line all around.
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the Blau OD's are allright...but they suffer from mad cone flex when you power then up...they actually sound very awesome with low power...but turning them fairly loud results in cone distortion of ungodly levels..

The XR's for the money are the best in their "class" very smooth...good strong midbass...
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for the back 6x9" im probably going to run some Pioneer Premier TS-906's. I'd like to just have one 4-channel amp to amplify the components and the 6x9"s. [hr]
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uhm.. whiterabbit sorry but no real msg comes up cept for my quote. did u say anything after that?
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i have the oz audio components...i think it was the 180CS or something like that...and they sound good to me[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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It is all in the install...
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uhm.. whiterabbit sorry but no real msg comes up cept for my quote. did u say anything after that?[hr]
whats the point of getting ultranice money is no object components (even XR's) if you match them with pioneer 6x9's in teh back? it would be far better than that to just ditch teh rear speakers than to mix such high end product with such entrylevel, in my opinion. I mean, they SAY reafill doesnt need to be expensive, but you want some semblance of low frequency extension, power handling, and a stiff cone!

I'd personally rethink my priorities......
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Stock speakers running off the HU is more than enough for rear fill...
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I have components in the front and the stock in the rear. The components are amped and the rears are run by the HU.

I keep the internal amp off so I only get the front speakers and I love the way it sounds. I turn the internal amp on when my daughter is in the back seat so the rear speakers play and I can't stand the way it sounds.

My point is that you may not need any speakers in the rear at all. You'd be very surprised at how much sound you get from a nice pair of components in the front. Just something to think about.
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Also try Boston Acoustics (rally and pro series) as well as Diamond Audio. I had some M3 comps and loved them for right around $225.
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Stock speakers running off the HU is more than enough for rear fill...[hr]
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just like getting answers for teh test, its all well and good till the question includes "explain your answer." since you cheated, your screwed.

these are 2 very true statements, but just by themselves, are meaningless. you can read this on every other audio post in any audio forum, so its real easy to just read it and regurgitate it with no understanding. but while true statements, do they really apply in this situation? faintreality, id like you to explain the pros and cons of rear fill, explaining in detail why exactly stock speakers running off low power WOULD in fact work.

after that, you should then be able to use our own statement to explain fully why pioneer 6x9's would probbaly not be a good combo sharing a 4 channel amp with an ultra high end component set.

if you get stuck, me or mo can give you hints on teh way. mo, dont just give him the answer before he gets a chance to figure it out on his own!
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well iono.. my friend had the pioneers in his car, and they sounded pretty good to me. But I trust ur judgement since u seem to know alot about what ur talking about.
So, after reading ur message, I looked around diff. websites, and stumbled upon Audiobahn's ABC6002Q (they're 6.5" 25mm tweeter components) it says they have 200 watts of RMS power, 30Hz-25kHz freq. I currently have three 10" audiobahn subs in my trunk and i like them. Are their components good?
As for the 6x9" rears, I still haven't found really good ones. But, im looking at the JL VR690-CXi's, and they dont seem too bad. If i get those, I'd match them up with the JL XR's, not the audiobahns.
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