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i was offered a 12w6 for $100. i currently have a 12w3

 
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Keep the W3..

The W6 has a looser progressive suspension, larger magnet flatter BL curve, Less excusrion. slightly better power handling. The audible difference.. Less SPL less low end extension....

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Mohawk

 
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SPL is install dependant.... and power handling is also very important for SPL as well.....

the reason to really keep teh w3 is because the 12w6 cant go very low comparitively. this is why everyone i know gets 10w6, cause they actually model LOWER than 12w6.

thats why i personally would keep the w3, but buy teh w6 anyways, and sell on ebay or something. easy $50 bucks.

 
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<< SPL is install dependant.... and power handling is also very important for SPL as well.....

the reason to really keep teh w3 is because the 12w6 cant go very low comparitively. this is why everyone i know gets 10w6, cause they actually model LOWER than 12w6.

thats why i personally would keep the w3, but buy teh w6 anyways, and sell on ebay or something. easy $50 bucks. >>



Less SPL due it's sensitvity and slightly heavier moving mass..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..

and Hmmm Buy it for $100 and sell it for $50 on Ebay... Dude!!! I eman..come on.. dude!!!!

 
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<< Less SPL due it's sensitvity and slightly heavier moving mass..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG].. >>



show me a person who thinks one sub will ALWAYS be louder than another, ill show you one ignorant installer, especially when the subs are so close like that....



<< and Hmmm Buy it for $100 and sell it for $50 on Ebay... Dude!!! I eman..come on.. dude!!!! >>



buy for 100, sell for 150, easy 50 bucks profit. not much, but its an eighth....i notice that alot of our quibbling is based on misnderstandings....

 
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given the same power...the W3 has more potential to be louder.. a w3 in a crap setup won;t be as loud as a W6 in an SPL tuned ported enclosure.

Man you knit pick and need every miniscule detail don;t you?..

 
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i refuse to let misinformation breed misinformation.

did you forget to mention that higher frequencies also have higher energy? as far as SPL is concerned, that is......

why do you think they put that 80 Hz cap on frequencies? it was easy back in the day to burp a 120 Hz test tone and pull mid 70's!

so if you got a sub like a w6 that plays upper frequencies better..... [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] think of the energy!

 
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Louder potential sub is the W3...for car audio applications...

And not allowing false info??Dude.. then answer every single question here in such detail that no one will be able to add to it and it cannot be scrutinized in any way.. untill then..dude.....knock the knitpicking off...

 
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flatter bl curve, less xmax? these arent details he is concerned with!

all he probably cares about is that in an identical install, the w6 wont outperform his w3. thats his bottom line.....

but you didnt even mention the potential of the w6! the w6 is a completely different animal than a w3, so in a different install, a different box, maybe a more powerful amp (depends on what load and power he is runining now)

the w6 MIGHT have more potential in his car!

and wasnt it you who said that ultra low bass isnt as important in cars cause of the bass transfer?

IF your gonna go into minute detail, may as well give it all. otherwise, may as well just say install dependant, and give details, like the w6 requires a larger box to achieve the same Q and such like this......

hell, i dont even care about the BL curve of the w6 in comparison.....its just important to know how the woofer SOUNDS, what kind of box you need to get it to sound good, and how much power is required to get it really bumpin, and maybe throw in some headroom to clean up the signal maybe....

thats all that really matters in a daily driver...

edit: and as far as low bass is concerned, in a proper box for each, the w6 will actually play LOWER than the w3! the difference is only a couplea Hz tho, maybe quarter of an octave, no more....

the install, the install!

 
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Install is 60% of it. Power is 20. Product is 20 [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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like we always say in the audio forum, 90% install, 10% equipment

edit: but now we are nitpicking again [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]

 
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<< like we always say in the audio forum, 90% install, 10% equipment

edit: but now we are nitpicking again [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG] >>



the 90% install aprt was true in the 80's when old fols ruled car audio..and msot equipment was really close in quality..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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Amazing Install.. Pyramid amps and components off a road gear HU.. you competewith it [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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ummm why don't u just save yourself the trouble and keep the W3..those bad boys pound....nuff said

 
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theres a guy over on CAF who took $89 subs and hit 155..... if that dont prove my point, nothing will.....

 
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<< theres a guy over on CAF who took $89 subs and hit 155..... if that dont prove my point, nothing will..... >>



SPL wise..how's it sound?..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG].. think from both angles..not the best of both worlds at once..

My friend ran 2 Prymamid super pro's and 4 Pyramid 1600 watt amps and broke 158...in 13.9 cubes tuned to 61hz...yer point being?...

 
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SPL is the only thing that you have brought up in this thread, till now. saying the w3 will be louder, saying teh w6 is less efficient. only thing non SPL wise been discussed si that the w6 wont go as low. and in fact, that IS SPL related, as higher frequencies put out more energy.....

so you wanna talk SQ now? w6 was built for SQ, is supposed to have better sq than w3. and youll get a good crowd that likes w3 better, and equal number of people who like w6 better. tho most of those ppl have 10w6's, not the 12.....

ill repeat, the w6 is still a capable woofer, and if he has the proper power for it (maybe the w3 isnt utilizing his amp as best as it could) and if he is willing to make a slightly bigger box, the w6 might be a worthwile investment.

because its certainly capable. and thats really the bottom line. that it is install dependadnt, not BL/xmax dependant.

my vote is for him to go to a shop and listen to a w6, or if its from a friend, demo it to really see if itll be better than his w3. then he can make an educated decision about whatll be best for him.

 
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looser progressive suspension, flatter BL curve,, [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..come on man!!!!..

Siund quality between the 2 is pretty much enclosure dependant so it's not really an issue. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..

Ya happy?.. what now...I know you have something else here..what is it?.. come on..bring it on ..[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].

Cheers
Mohawk

 
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dude, your all over the place, i cant make an argument. first, all you ever talked about is what teh sub is on paper, no real world anything. second, you talk only about SPL, so i make a statement about that, but you tell me teh SQ is crap. so i start to talk about SQ, and you tell me that SQ is a non-issue.

your saying teh w6 is not worth it, im saying it can be. i think ive done a good job defending that opinion, to teh point where it is basically fact. the w6 IS a proven woofer, as much as the w3.

so ill tell you what. you name what you wanna discuss, and ill discuss it. but dont keep talking about one thing then changing to the other, when everything is install dependant. so let me know whats up.

 
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The difference between the W3 and W6 in an average install. Where the car is not thoroughly sound deadened. Both subs in their appropriate enclosures. Crossed over at the typical 80Hz at a 12db/octave slope. The sound quality will difference will be indestinguishable. The SPL output given the same power would go to the W3. Giving both their reccomended RMS ratings would probably yield Identical or very close to SPL output. Given the W3 is a tad more sensitive a driver than the W6. the better bet is the W3 as he allready has one.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]. The comparisons between W3 and W6 is liek comparing Granny SMith apples to GOlden Delicious' . Apples to apples. SOme like one better..some like the other.....

Wanna discuss Psycho Acoustics?

 
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<< Wanna discuss Psycho Acoustics? >>



no. for another day [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]



<< The difference between the W3 and W6 in an average install. Where the car is not thoroughly sound deadened. Both subs in their appropriate enclosures. Crossed over at the typical 80Hz at a 12db/octave slope. The sound quality will difference will be indestinguishable. The SPL output given the same power would go to the W3. Giving both their reccomended RMS ratings would probably yield Identical or very close to SPL output. Given the W3 is a tad more sensitive a driver than the W6. the better bet is the W3 as he allready has one.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]. The comparisons between W3 and W6 is liek comparing Granny SMith apples to GOlden Delicious' . Apples to apples. SOme like one better..some like the other..... >>



agreed completely. which brings me to my previous point [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] about his amp. w6 is dual 6 ohm coils (this one is prolly dvc 6 ohms) I dont know what his amp is, nor the impedance of his w3. but there is the possibility that his amp would be better suited to play at a 3 ohm load rather than what he has. (any 4 ohm amp will do a 3 ohm load.) if he has a 4 ohm amp playing a dvc 2 ohm w3 (i dont remember all teh w3 varieties out there) then its possible, if the amp is unregulated, that there will indeed be more power available for that sub. in which case the edge will go slightly for the w6. This can make the $100 investment, minus sale of the w3 worthwhile.

but its all dependant on what equip he is running, if its better suited for a w6 or his current w3.

how'm I doing so far?