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Iight Guys Hit Me Up...
i got the mugen engine ground kit....i kno there is a DIY on the points but my question is....have u guts found better points to ground the engine up???
let me kno thx
here is the stuff and instructions they provided...BTW does anyone have this ground kit?
let me kno thx
here is the stuff and instructions they provided...BTW does anyone have this ground kit?
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Rep Power: 786 Dude no offense but waste of money. No difference in performance, all for looks. If you had a big stereo, do the alt to battery + wire, and for grounds do battery to chasssis, chassis to engine, and engine to above the radiator ground, but everything elese is pointless, and it's alot cheaper to do it yourself anyway.
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
Originally Posted by MegaHurtz
Dude no offense but waste of money. No difference in performance, all for looks. If you had a big stereo, do the alt to battery + wire, and for grounds do battery to chasssis, chassis to engine, and engine to above the radiator ground, but everything elese is pointless, and it's alot cheaper to do it yourself anyway.
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
Have you SEEN his car?
btw thanks for the pm
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Originally Posted by MegaHurtz
Dude no offense but waste of money. No difference in performance, all for looks. If you had a big stereo, do the alt to battery + wire, and for grounds do battery to chasssis, chassis to engine, and engine to above the radiator ground, but everything elese is pointless, and it's alot cheaper to do it yourself anyway.
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
That being said, just use your stock grounding locations, there is no diff
ok...but if it gives me better ground by grounding difrent spots on the engine
then im gon do it...i kno its not gon give me no HP besides im not looking for that...like cdmx said have u seen my car? i just want to kno if those points given in the DIY are good for grounding or is there better ones...if it all equals the same no matter what places u put them in then...why do it...but if it reduces noise from the radio ( cuz my system is going in the winter ) and gives me better lighting why not...please reply...thx
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Rep Power: 0 use the ones from the diy....just read all through the diy..some ppl say others are better than the ones posted. just gotta try them and see for yourself. and for the assclown up top...answer the damn question and quit telling him what u think you know. many ppl on that diy have said they found the grounding kit benifical. i thought mine worked well for me...i removed it for warrenty reasons when i took my car in for an electrical issue (nothing to do with the kit, just didnt want to be harrassed by the dealer).
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Originally Posted by 4bangin
use the ones from the diy....just read all through the diy..some ppl say others are better than the ones posted. just gotta try them and see for yourself.
ok ill do the DIY..but honestly did u c a diference in lightin, start ups etc like it says on the DIY..Just curious. THX
i didnt belive in this stuff either but a company gave my buddy one of these kits...gained 7hp on a highly modified eclipse on the dyno...who knows...not gonna see those gains on a civic but hey...
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Rep Power: 339 this is some info on ground while i searched around for answers
Constant grounding means better overall performance to help prevent power loss and ensure top performance of your ignition and other components
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Having a constant ground will help elminate power loss, thus improving overall performance of components, such as ignition, were loss of spark is a key to engine performance
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The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground system, which provides immaculate conduction to prevent electrical power loss. The higher resistances of factory grounds have negative effect to the ignition system and obstruct the primary potential.
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Without a constant ground to the motor and all the high output power sources that make your engine work, you are constantly losing power.
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Automotive electrical and computer systems are designed to tolerate up to 100% noise on their input lines. Meaning, if the ECU is expecting a 12-volt input signal, the signal may vary in the range of 0 to 12 volts.
Fluctuations in signal are due to noise and resistance in the system. Noise is generated by spark plugs firing, discharges through the tires to the road, alternator turning on/off, etc. Resistance is the inability of the system to conduct electricity properly.
One of the best-proven ways to compensate for noise and resistance is with proper grounding. Engine grounding has been used in the racing industry for years. The benefits have been proven and documented.
The Custom Engine Grounding Kit allows for cleaner data transfer to the ECU. The result is more accurate measurements by the ECU and therefore more accurate performance, smoother idle and better acceleration.
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IDK man...even if it helps a little i guess is good right...electrical wise
Constant grounding means better overall performance to help prevent power loss and ensure top performance of your ignition and other components
................................
Having a constant ground will help elminate power loss, thus improving overall performance of components, such as ignition, were loss of spark is a key to engine performance
..................................
The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground system, which provides immaculate conduction to prevent electrical power loss. The higher resistances of factory grounds have negative effect to the ignition system and obstruct the primary potential.
.....................................
Without a constant ground to the motor and all the high output power sources that make your engine work, you are constantly losing power.
.........................................
Automotive electrical and computer systems are designed to tolerate up to 100% noise on their input lines. Meaning, if the ECU is expecting a 12-volt input signal, the signal may vary in the range of 0 to 12 volts.
Fluctuations in signal are due to noise and resistance in the system. Noise is generated by spark plugs firing, discharges through the tires to the road, alternator turning on/off, etc. Resistance is the inability of the system to conduct electricity properly.
One of the best-proven ways to compensate for noise and resistance is with proper grounding. Engine grounding has been used in the racing industry for years. The benefits have been proven and documented.
The Custom Engine Grounding Kit allows for cleaner data transfer to the ECU. The result is more accurate measurements by the ECU and therefore more accurate performance, smoother idle and better acceleration.
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IDK man...even if it helps a little i guess is good right...electrical wise
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You really won't know until you try!
One thing I hate about advertisements is that they only give you about half the information, then make claims based on this.
I like the one that says "The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground systems." How much does this system cost...way to much I am sure. I work as an eletrical engineer in the construction business. I deal with high-end medical systems where proper grounding is the difference between life and death of a patient. ONe thing you ahve to remember is that copper is copper. There is no one type of copper wire that has less impedance (resistance) than another. What makes the difference on impedance is the size of the wire. So techincally I could sell a grounding kit for say $100 when it only cost me $20 to make.
OK enough bashing the companies. One thing to look at is how they attached the lugs to the end of the wires. All it will take is those to corrode a little bit and you will have a ton of impedance problems on your hands. Another thing to consider is the shorter the wire the less impedance it will have. Granted we are talking very small numbers but if you under the impression every little bit helps then it may help. Extra grounding will never hurt you and you may want to leave the factory grounding in place too....this will give you two paths to ground.
Just my 0.02...well probably more like 2.00 but oh well!
One thing I hate about advertisements is that they only give you about half the information, then make claims based on this.
I like the one that says "The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground systems." How much does this system cost...way to much I am sure. I work as an eletrical engineer in the construction business. I deal with high-end medical systems where proper grounding is the difference between life and death of a patient. ONe thing you ahve to remember is that copper is copper. There is no one type of copper wire that has less impedance (resistance) than another. What makes the difference on impedance is the size of the wire. So techincally I could sell a grounding kit for say $100 when it only cost me $20 to make.
OK enough bashing the companies. One thing to look at is how they attached the lugs to the end of the wires. All it will take is those to corrode a little bit and you will have a ton of impedance problems on your hands. Another thing to consider is the shorter the wire the less impedance it will have. Granted we are talking very small numbers but if you under the impression every little bit helps then it may help. Extra grounding will never hurt you and you may want to leave the factory grounding in place too....this will give you two paths to ground.
Just my 0.02...well probably more like 2.00 but oh well!
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Originally Posted by Wulf
You really won't know until you try!
One thing I hate about advertisements is that they only give you about half the information, then make claims based on this.
I like the one that says "The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground systems." How much does this system cost...way to much I am sure. I work as an eletrical engineer in the construction business. I deal with high-end medical systems where proper grounding is the difference between life and death of a patient. ONe thing you ahve to remember is that copper is copper. There is no one type of copper wire that has less impedance (resistance) than another. What makes the difference on impedance is the size of the wire. So techincally I could sell a grounding kit for say $100 when it only cost me $20 to make.
OK enough bashing the companies. One thing to look at is how they attached the lugs to the end of the wires. All it will take is those to corrode a little bit and you will have a ton of impedance problems on your hands. Another thing to consider is the shorter the wire the less impedance it will have. Granted we are talking very small numbers but if you under the impression every little bit helps then it may help. Extra grounding will never hurt you and you may want to leave the factory grounding in place too....this will give you two paths to ground.
Just my 0.02...well probably more like 2.00 but oh well!
One thing I hate about advertisements is that they only give you about half the information, then make claims based on this.
I like the one that says "The Hyper Ground System wire cables have 10 times less impedance than factory ground systems." How much does this system cost...way to much I am sure. I work as an eletrical engineer in the construction business. I deal with high-end medical systems where proper grounding is the difference between life and death of a patient. ONe thing you ahve to remember is that copper is copper. There is no one type of copper wire that has less impedance (resistance) than another. What makes the difference on impedance is the size of the wire. So techincally I could sell a grounding kit for say $100 when it only cost me $20 to make.
OK enough bashing the companies. One thing to look at is how they attached the lugs to the end of the wires. All it will take is those to corrode a little bit and you will have a ton of impedance problems on your hands. Another thing to consider is the shorter the wire the less impedance it will have. Granted we are talking very small numbers but if you under the impression every little bit helps then it may help. Extra grounding will never hurt you and you may want to leave the factory grounding in place too....this will give you two paths to ground.
Just my 0.02...well probably more like 2.00 but oh well!
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Rep Power: 329 copper is copper, but there is pure copper and cheaper stuff. 24k and 14k gold are 2 different things.
but wait, neither is gonna give a performance gain on a civic. i've run a grounding kit, and sold it, it was useless. plus winter made it look real frickin nasty
but wait, neither is gonna give a performance gain on a civic. i've run a grounding kit, and sold it, it was useless. plus winter made it look real frickin nasty
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Originally Posted by DoubleDeuce2k2
copper is copper, but there is pure copper and cheaper stuff. 24k and 14k gold are 2 different things.
but wait, neither is gonna give a performance gain on a civic. i've run a grounding kit, and sold it, it was useless. plus winter made it look real frickin nasty
but wait, neither is gonna give a performance gain on a civic. i've run a grounding kit, and sold it, it was useless. plus winter made it look real frickin nasty
I will agree with you to a point....there are fly by night companies we have to be carefull about when it comes to copper. Some companies use alloys and market it as copper wire. The only plus I have in construction is that the wire we spec has to meet certain standards set by the National Electrical Code. Now on to the basis of "pure copper"....if wire is made to specifications it is copper...there is no such thing as pure copper. This is a marketing ploy to get you to spend more money on something that won't help you. Trust me on this....if there was such a thing as "pure copper" the construction industry would suck it all up. Nothing worse than having to charge a client more money because a wire had to be upsized due to teh voltage drop!
Now if they could make that grounding kit with a copper/gold alloy cable then that would be very low impedance...and worth alot too....you would have to put a huge padlock on your hood to keep theives out!
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Rep Power: 812 I would only replace the stock ground points. Battery to chassis, battery to tranny, and battery to engine block. Nothing else will really matter.
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