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My setup:
Sony MEX-5DI
2 JL 12" W0's
Memphis Audio 500D Sub Amp
Memphis Audio MC 3004 4 Channel Amp

The subs were used and given to me almost free. I need a good deep thump sub. I am partial to JL subs. I thought about the w7 but its kinda pricey I also like the Kicker Solobaric. But im no expert on audio. Any recommendation on what subs to go with? I'd like to get 2 12" again and prefer to keep the price under $500 for 2.

Thanks in advance

 
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you can get two jl w3v2's off ebay for about $300,

Or get just one sub like a jlw6v2, cost you somewhere around $500 from what i've seen.

If you get two w6v2's you might want to get a second amp or a bigger one for both.

 
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Thanks I didnt even think about the w3v2 but that might be a good option for me. I really don't need/want a bigger amp. The w0's were loud enough before.

 
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The w3's will have more output than the w0's for sure. They are a really nice sub.

 
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Thanks guys for your feedback It is greatly appreciated.

 
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I 2nd the W3v2 it rawks my ***!!

 
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looks like the w3v2's will be a good fit for what you want, let us know how it turns out.

 
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i suggest a single IDmax. it comes in a dual 4 or dual 2 ohm version, so no matter what yoru amp is stable to, itll work, and 500 rms is plenty for this supersub to get loud enough. at least as loud as a pair of w0.

and you wont believe the upgrade in the quality of sound. the difference between a w0 and w3v2 in quality of sound is almost as much as the upgrade in quality of sound from the w3v2 to the idmax.

go from the w0 to an idmax? forget about it!

and with a pricetag of $500 RETAIL, you can get them online for $250 no problem. and ID is laid back, they will still fix your stuff if it breaks and you didnt buy from an authorized dealer. its just not "warrantee" (free)

 
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if you are looking for deep thump, and your amp is 500 rms at 2 ohms, I would consider a pair of tempests, running isobaric. it doesnt get any deeper than that! but it would take up quite a bit of space, about 2.5 cubic feet isobaric, ported.

but you can potenitally get down to subsonic frequency response with it.

and RETAIL the cost is $300. thats full factory warrantee from adire! not as musical as the MAX but DANG would you get some deep deep bass!

 
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Hey Thanks WhiteRabbit. I will continue my research on all of these suggestions and let you know what I end up with.

 
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The only question I might have about the IDmax and Adire is quality of the product. I found a few photos online and they look cheaply made. Is this an issue? I also want to go with 2 12" subs not a single because I already have a box. Im not looking to buy subs and a box at least not right now. I want something I can just drop back in place of the w0's I'll worry about the box later. I also was wondering about price. If I can get 2 new JL w3v2's for 160 as apposed to one IDmax for $250 It seems a better buy to go with the 2JL's. But Quality of the manufacturing is as important to me as the quality of the sound.

 
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both are very well manufactured, and you can find LOTS of positive reviews on online audio forums

edit: you are questioning the build quality of the tempest and IDmax versus the build quality of the w0??

you should do some research on JL.....

 
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Im not actually comparing them to anything. I was just questioning the overall quality of the products. I didnt go into detail earlier but the true reason my W0 blew is because the rubber ring had dry rotted from being in storage for about 6 years with no use or care. I still believe JL makes a good quality product. I know about JL I just dont know about IDmax and Tempest thats why I asked that question. I don't know of any local audio dealers that sell them so I cant go and look at them first hand or hear them. But the little research I did on them they all came up with good audio reviews. I just didnt see anyone mention postive or negative comments about the quality of manufacturing.

 
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cool, i was just razzing you a bit anyways.

seriously, the build quality of them both is far superior to the w0. the tempest is like the entry level woofer on steriods, I was even able to place in an SQ competition running tempests despite a half built car!

and if you are looking for low low bass..... man, look no farther than tempest!
re****ulous!

the idmax is kinda like the exact opposite... very high end! very output capable.... designed to play music, SO well! might not have the LFE of the tempest, but can still reach very nearly 20 Hz, albeit never quite getting htere....

the accoustical transparrancy is amazing.... the tempest cant possibly touch the max for accoustic transparrancy, but if you only listen to synthesized beats, who needs that?

on the other hand, if you listen to jazz-funk, and need that stand up bass to really shine in the lower lower notes.... ;D

 
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neither jl or ID (don't know about adire) are good choices for equipment abusers though. JL really means what they say about power maximums, you shouldn't push it much farther than that. IDMAX has a break in period, sensitive motor structure. well built though.

i love my max. i might go for a slight SPL period for summer, but i'll be back to the max in fall i guarantee it

 
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Thanks guys, I still havent made a decision. I defintley prefer the deep bass over the more musical bass. But I can't say I have heard a great musical sub so I don't have anything to compare to. I tend to listen to a wide range of music. I basically want the best price but keeping a decent sub. I want to keep the same box so that means 2 subs to fill the place of the w0's I also want to keep my Memphis 500 watt amp. So I really dont need anything that powerful. Thats the only reason I am still leaning towards the JL w3v2 subs.

 
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and neither is adire, minus the brahma.

however, with 500 watts (assuming hte amplifier is 2 ohm stable producing 500 rms) that means each tempest gets 250 rms, thats perfect for even speaker abusers!

and it doesnt sound like this guy is a speaekr abuser, he sounds like he's got a brain in his head!

for deep deep DEEP bass, i GUARANTEE you the tempest will whup anything out on teh market in its pricerange, and most of hte woofers out there above its pricerange! the LFE is nothing short of awesome

they cost $150 NEW from the factory, so you even get a full factory warrantee from adire! they love 250 rms, and installed isobaric, you can put them in a 2.5 cubic foot ported box tuned ot 23 Hz.

for low bass lovers, there simply is no alternative for the tempest! let us know what you decide though.

the tempest, i should mention, does have one draw back. its ugly, and noone will recognise it

 
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oh, he wants to keep his box. nevermind, the tempests are 15's.

 
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Thanks for your kind words. Last time I checked I did have a brain.
Im defintely not an abuser. Yea I do want to keep my original box for now which holds 12"s I did notice by the picture I found the tempest were pretty ugly, but Im not as worried about that as quality of sound and manufacturing. I could always reverse mount them later or be sealed completely in a custom box. But I will keep you updated on what I go with.

 
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no, with the tempests you would have ot run isobaric. realistically, the easiest way to do that is clamshell style, which means youd set one woofer inside the box normal, then set the other inverted right on top of it and stick 8 screws in it.

otherwise, youd need a 9-15 cubic foot box to run ported, or an 8 cubic foot box sealed!

 
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Kickers - They're loud but ehhhh I'm not impressed.. look at the impedance curve.
W6v2 - My next set of subs.. ahhhh Almost the output of the W7, with half the power.. nice.
W7 - Best impedance curve I've ever seen, Good high sound quality, excellent output, perhaps one of the best subs ever put on the market, the only downfall is that it takes so much power to move them. I built a box for a Dodge Ram that held two 13W7 and the box weighed more than 200 lbs.
W3v2 - The subs I have now. Excellent sound quality, moderate output but nothing like the W6/W7. I push about 146 dBs out of them safely.
Tempest - quality. lol

 
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you forogt to mention to output capability of the tempest!

http://visionaryaudio.com/black00/tempwang.wmv

edit: also http://www.calpoly.edu/~sciccare/plexi.JPG

 
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Too bad that vid doesnt do any justice. You only see them moving. And the sound is terrible. But no video is going to do justice to any sub.

 
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Ok well to update everyone.... I have decided to go with 2 JL 12w3v2 subs. I got a great deal on ebay $130 per sub. Thank you everyone who gave me some valuable info. My only question is now which OHM to get?

With my amp It can run at 2 or 4 OHM. I honestly don't know much about OHM's other than I've always heard the lower the OHM the better.

So my question is will my Memphis 500D amp take the 12w3v2 D2 or D4 or D6? Which one do I want?

Thanks in advance.

 
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For most new monoblock class d amps you want an overall 2 ohm load. For this you need the D2 or 2 ohm version of the subs. If you get the D4 or 4 ohm version the amp will only be putting out half its rated power.

2 ohms = 500 watts rms (250 per sub)
4 ohms = 250 watts rms (125 per sub)

Be sure to get the D2 (dual 2 ohm version) and wire it like on the pic below.

From the JL Tutorials:

2 DVC drivers with Voice Coils in Series / Parallel
Connecting the two voice coils of each driver in series (+ to -) and the drivers themselves in parallel (+ to +, etc.) will result in the following impedances:
Dual-6 Ohm Subwoofers: 6 Ohms
Dual-4 Ohm Subwoofer: 4 Ohms
Dual-2 Ohm Subwoofer: 2 Ohms

 
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Hey thanks alot RegularJoe.

 
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i believe your memphis does full power at 2 ohms, ergot, the dual 2 ohm woofers

 
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hey whiterabbit, any chance u could design a box running that isobaric for me? I have a coupe. I love the idea of a box that is tuned to 23hertz. I would then take that design to my trusty stereo shop have them build it.

 
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well, ideally, its 2.5 cubic feet before the port or woofer, with 35 square inches of port area about 66 inches long, but that box would also be HUGE!

with 28 square inches of port area, its about 52 inches long

with 20 square inches of port area, its about 37 inches long.

if you use a 4 inch pvc port, its about 23 inches long, if you use two 4 inch PVC ports, its about 48.5 inche slong each

I am leary about running a single 4" port, and i most certianly wouldnt go any less than a 4" pvc port.

take a look at this box:

http://www.edesignaudio.com/im2/boxc...c%20vented.jpg

a well designed box for a pair of tempest in an isobaric configuration would look similar to this, except the chamber would be slightly larger, and the port a HELL of alot longer!

 
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dayum. seems big. any chance of one tempest working out @23hertz that isn't to big? thanks