I.C.E. (Audio) & Electrical Upgrades Post all your I.C.E. (In Car Entertainment) and wiring questions here (Audio, video etc.)

Looking for general commens about this setup

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #1  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
Looking for general commens about this setup

OK, in my EX coupe i had this setup:
Kenwood Excelon HU
Kenwood Excelon 10 disc Changer
JL 250/1
JL 10W3V2 in a sealed, JL PowerWedge style box

In an effort to save room in my New Hatch, i thought about ditching the 10W3 in favor of a pair of JL6W0 Woofers, or 6 1/2" Woofers of another brand, in the stock rear seat side panel locations

the JLs are 75 Watt continuous, i saw that Rockford makes a 6 3/4" subwoofer that handles up to 150 watts(however im worried about fitment with those).

Id like to use my 250/1 no matter what i do. also would mounting them in this location be classified as ported? sealed? freeair?(im thinkin free-air)

for refernce, i listen to mostly rock(i.e. lots of classic rock, Lynard Skynard, Creedance Clearwater Revival, The Eagles,etc; also a lot of New Rock, Fuel, Seether, Revis, Rob Zombie, Kid Rock, Uncle Kracker, etc; also Country, Brooks'n'Dunn, Garth Brooks, etc, and some Rap, Scarface, etc)

i want mainly a little lower frequency responce over stock, as well as better SPL.

my second alternative was to have a MDF box made to fit on one of the sides behind the rear tire well

suggestions? opinions?

p.s. ill also eventually go with JL XR series up front

Thanks!
Isaac

Last edited by EternalVTEC; Nov 16, 2003 at 12:08 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #2  
slick's Avatar
that little dude
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,242
Likes: 0
From: Moore, Oklahoma, US
Rep Power: 317
slick will become famous soon enoughslick will become famous soon enough
JL makes that stealthbox that comes with a 12w3, that can be a choice, but if you are really into those 6w0's, be careful, they are subs, and not meant for free-air applications.
those subs need to be in boxes, i would think sealed would be best. you can fiberglass them into the rear seat side panels, i think it will be cool. i've seen both the 6w0 and the rockford 6" woofer (i believe its an HE), and the rockford is definately bigger, but it might be better suited for the power you are throwing at it.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #3  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
personally, id say go with a single 8 such as an image dynamics id8 v3
i just picked one up for 65 bucks and they work in boxes as small as .2 cubic feet
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #4  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
where would i put the 8? what would i do with my amp, i believe that 250 watts may be a little much
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #5  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
Lud, i just noticed in your reply to Freaks thread that youre making door panels to accept 8's. how involved is that, and how much do you have to modify your door panels?
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2003
  #6  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
"why not get the JL microsub with 2 8's in it that would sound great"

quoted from a post responding to the same question on a different site

i do, however respect the opinions of Lud, Mo, and WR first and foremost

Last edited by EternalVTEC; Nov 16, 2003 at 06:03 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 17, 2003
  #7  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
8's in teh doors is a big task. remolding a whole new shape to the doors and building a sealed enclosure behind, yet integrated into the door panel is a biiiiig task... on top of that im also relocating my 3 ac ***** into the driver door panel as well, so its a serious task...not reccomended to the noob fabricator.
gotta know your way around fiberglass, vinyl, and bondo quite well.

also, a shop would charge you 3 arms and a 2 legs for what im doing
Reply
Old Nov 17, 2003
  #8  
fonto's Avatar
The LA Clipper
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,539
Likes: 0
From: SoCal, California, US
Rep Power: 346
fonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to all
Originally posted by LudlamTheory
personally, id say go with a single 8 such as an image dynamics id8 v3
i just picked one up for 65 bucks and they work in boxes as small as .2 cubic feet
Your starting to sound like an ID rep with all this ID8 talk

ID makes some of the best subs I have ever heard...IMO ID and JL are the cream of the crop when it comes to mainstream sub makers (and car audio in general).
Reply
Old Nov 18, 2003
  #9  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
shush mr fonto....
Reply
Old Nov 18, 2003
  #10  
alex053's Avatar
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,054
Likes: 0
From: Peoria, Arizona, US
Rep Power: 338
alex053 will become famous soon enough
mmmmmmmmm...ID8 is a good suggestion. people really under estimate how good an 8 can sound.
Reply
Old Nov 19, 2003
  #11  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
Where can i hear ID's?
Reply
Old Nov 19, 2003
  #12  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
a shop that carries ID
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2003
  #13  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
yeah,, well, i dont know of any, no one i know has ever heard of them, so im kinda goin nowhere fast
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2003
  #14  
auto84's Avatar
I R T3H 1338
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,068
Likes: 0
From: edwardsville, illinois (near stl.)
Rep Power: 296
auto84 will become famous soon enoughauto84 will become famous soon enough
would you like to buy them online or in person? ( i think that i might be able to locate an online store that may sell ID)
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2003
  #15  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
what he wants is to hear them. i got my id's online as well, thats not the hard part
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2003
  #16  
auto84's Avatar
I R T3H 1338
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,068
Likes: 0
From: edwardsville, illinois (near stl.)
Rep Power: 296
auto84 will become famous soon enoughauto84 will become famous soon enough
oh, ok. sorry i wasnt reading it right
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #17  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
ok, ive almost decided on getting 2 8's, now, if i do, which ones can handle 125 continuous?
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #18  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
depends on your budget on them
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #19  
fonto's Avatar
The LA Clipper
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,539
Likes: 0
From: SoCal, California, US
Rep Power: 346
fonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to allfonto is a name known to all
BTW, IMO, Sounddomain is the best place to by ID online...they are authorized, and will price match. Hell, I think the IDMax is like $330 right now.

Last edited by fonto; Nov 24, 2003 at 11:30 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #20  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
almost any decent 8 will handle 125 continuous watts...
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #21  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
ok, well, are there any 8s that would be under-powered by 125 continuous?

any brands i should stay awayfrom?
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2003
  #22  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
most respectable 8's out there are the jl 8's, w3, w6, w7, elemental designs e8a, image dynamics id8, and i cant quite remember the rest, but ill post as i remember

image dynamics e8a and 8w7 wouldnt have enough amp power from your 250/1 most probably

check jl's site for their 8 specs, and id8 is rated at 150
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2003
  #23  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
ok, well, since i dont know where i can hear the e8a's, or id8's, im prolly lookin at the JL W3 or W6,

thanks

btw, before i commit, are there any speakers that would fit the stock rear locations that would have equal bass? maybe use the woofers out of a component set in the back, with the mids and tweets up front? or is that a bad idea?

Last edited by EternalVTEC; Nov 25, 2003 at 06:25 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2003
  #24  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
there are some midranges that would give you SOME midbass, but not as much

is this a coupe or sedan? (6.5 or 6x9?

i think i know of a few 6.5's that put out some niiice low end
Reply
Old Nov 25, 2003
  #25  
Connie's Avatar
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,868
Likes: 0
From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa, US
Rep Power: 348
Connie is a jewel in the roughConnie is a jewel in the roughConnie is a jewel in the rough
Originally posted by LudlamTheory
8's in teh doors is a big task. remolding a whole new shape to the doors and building a sealed enclosure behind, yet integrated into the door panel is a biiiiig task... on top of that im also relocating my 3 ac ***** into the driver door panel as well, so its a serious task...not reccomended to the noob fabricator.
gotta know your way around fiberglass, vinyl, and bondo quite well.

also, a shop would charge you 3 arms and a 2 legs for what im doing

Sweet ****, but that sucks.....I only have 2 arms
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2003
  #26  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
Originally posted by LudlamTheory
there are some midranges that would give you SOME midbass, but not as much

is this a coupe or sedan? (6.5 or 6x9?

i think i know of a few 6.5's that put out some niiice low end

its for a 03 SI hatch
Reply
Old Nov 28, 2003
  #27  
LudlamTheory's Avatar
i boogie for the raindrops
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,497
Likes: 1
From: Jackson, Mississippi
Rep Power: 0
LudlamTheory is an unknown quantity at this point
what kind of rear speakers are they, and where are they located?
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003
  #28  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
i believe theyre 6.5s and they are mounted in the side panels beside each rear occupant
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2003
  #29  
WhiteRabbit's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,344
Likes: 0
From: bay area, california
Rep Power: 338
WhiteRabbit is a glorious beacon of lightWhiteRabbit is a glorious beacon of lightWhiteRabbit is a glorious beacon of lightWhiteRabbit is a glorious beacon of lightWhiteRabbit is a glorious beacon of light
I would think that install and tuning would take a much higher priority over equipment.

tempest may take 250 rms well, get superloud, be accurate as all heck, nice warm low sounds, but if you wanted to save trunk space, what does any of that matter?

equipment lists dont determine stereos, installs and tuning does.

local competitor threw together a stereo for his GF car then "borrowed" it for competition. He took first place at every show. One of his competitors ran TWO SETS of Rainbow reference speaerks WITH the optional midbasses for EACH set. We are talking about $7500 PER component set and $800 PER pair of midbass. Do the math, he paid more for his SOUNDSTAGE than most of us on our stock CAR.

whupped by a stereo thrown together. door speakers pointed sideways, tweeters in the doors in a hole drilled next to the latch, each side.

It goes to show that equipment lists are meaningless to determine real thoughts about performance. install install install! tuning tuning tuning!
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2003
  #30  
EternalVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
From: Jonestown, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
EternalVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
yes, however, you cant tune the stock equipment(or can you? i could be wrong)
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43 AM.