DIY Govenor Removal Needed.
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Originally posted by infinite012
He has no gears.
And I have a limiter at 118MPH.
He has no gears.
And I have a limiter at 118MPH.
The HX may not have "gears," but it does have a range of 'gear ratios' in which the CVT works.
I could accept that a stock HX would top out at 118.
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removing the governor is illegal. this thread is going to get locked up for talking about removing the governor.
you need a reprogramed computer, set the governor to like 225 mph.
that's not illegal....
removing the governor is illegal. this thread is going to get locked up for talking about removing the governor.
you need a reprogramed computer, set the governor to like 225 mph.
that's not illegal....
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by OsOBooSTeD
thats THE ****ING STUPIDEST THING IVE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO KILL YOURSELF NOWWWWWWWWWWW.
so ur telling me my car havingggg 200+ hp is limited by powerVS wind/road/tranny..
LMAO STFU... ur an idiot.
a GEO metro with 80HP can still go over 120.
dont ever say something like that again.
thats THE ****ING STUPIDEST THING IVE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO KILL YOURSELF NOWWWWWWWWWWW.
so ur telling me my car havingggg 200+ hp is limited by powerVS wind/road/tranny..
LMAO STFU... ur an idiot.
a GEO metro with 80HP can still go over 120.
dont ever say something like that again.
Some manufacturers choose to artificially limit their cars' top speed.....BMW keeps some of their cars to 155mph. The 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra is also limited to 155mph. The '80's Buick Grand Nationals were electronically limited to 124mph.
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Rep Power: 0 In a perfect vacuum, with absolutely no resistance, I imagine a car could accelerate almost infinetely, with nothing slowing it down, and assuming there was no friction on the internals of the engine...
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^ that would be pretty tight. just imaging if you could build a frictionless chamber for the engine...it would last forever w/o ever having any problems.
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^ that would be pretty tight. just imaging if you could build a frictionless chamber for the engine...it would last forever w/o ever having any problems.
^ that would be pretty tight. just imaging if you could build a frictionless chamber for the engine...it would last forever w/o ever having any problems.
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Rep Power: 0 why do u say good luck getting to 120? ive gotten to 130 w no problem... it takes a lil bit but not like hours!! like, itll take me like 20 seconds from 120.... lol its alright considering the car is 2500+ pounds and it only has 127 ponies
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Rep Power: 306 The actual limitations of a vehicle's top speed are its engine speed multiplied by its final drive ratio.
In other words, in 5th gear, at top engine speed, you will no longer be able to accelerate, despite the elimination of any resistance.
The only way to go faster would be to add another gear, ala 6th speed. Or increase the engine speed.
All fuel injected cars have a limiter, since the fuel maps are only programmed to go so high.
In any event, to change the high speed limiter, or change the redline limit, you would have to obtain a programmable ecu, then alter the programming.
In other words, in 5th gear, at top engine speed, you will no longer be able to accelerate, despite the elimination of any resistance.
The only way to go faster would be to add another gear, ala 6th speed. Or increase the engine speed.
All fuel injected cars have a limiter, since the fuel maps are only programmed to go so high.
In any event, to change the high speed limiter, or change the redline limit, you would have to obtain a programmable ecu, then alter the programming.
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You are on the right track, theoretically. However, you failed to take into account the important role aerodynamics plays in the equation.
By your logic, if you put a tall enough gear in a stock Civic, it should be able to top 200mph. We all know that is NOT going to happen because the engine simply doesn't have the power to push the Civic that fast...
Case in point, the '80's & early '90's Mustangs had a very tall overdrive gear; so tall, in fact, that the Mustang would actually top out in 4th gear, not 5th. The O/D gear was so tall that it kept the engine at a speed (rpm) where it couldn't turn the gear any faster. A downshift to 4th allowed the engine to wind out, eeking out a few more MPH. The theoretical top speed for these Mustangs "by the numbers" was in the 230mph range.
What kept them from going that fast? A-E-R-O-D-Y-N-A-M-I-C resistance...
You are on the right track, theoretically. However, you failed to take into account the important role aerodynamics plays in the equation.
By your logic, if you put a tall enough gear in a stock Civic, it should be able to top 200mph. We all know that is NOT going to happen because the engine simply doesn't have the power to push the Civic that fast...
Case in point, the '80's & early '90's Mustangs had a very tall overdrive gear; so tall, in fact, that the Mustang would actually top out in 4th gear, not 5th. The O/D gear was so tall that it kept the engine at a speed (rpm) where it couldn't turn the gear any faster. A downshift to 4th allowed the engine to wind out, eeking out a few more MPH. The theoretical top speed for these Mustangs "by the numbers" was in the 230mph range.
What kept them from going that fast? A-E-R-O-D-Y-N-A-M-I-C resistance...
Originally posted by Drkstalkerr
dude, i have a 2002 lx coupe, and i have definately hit 137mph without any problem. . . i suggest shifting into 5th gear.
dude, i have a 2002 lx coupe, and i have definately hit 137mph without any problem. . . i suggest shifting into 5th gear.
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Rep Power: 0 I have a Bone stock 2001 Civic EX and I hit 126 really quickly on 75 while following a porsche up the road. But my friend that works for honda told me that they can program my stock computer to raise the cut off point for the rev limiting function of the computer. Matt
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by civicr34
actually there is a speed limiter and i know how to get rid of it (temporarily)
actually there is a speed limiter and i know how to get rid of it (temporarily)
...and you just didn't think it would be worthwhile to share your secret in this thread?
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Rep Power: 0 i got my dx with just a throttle spacer, intake and muffler to peg at 120.....very fun but the kick back when i pegged whastn lmfao hehe ne ways get your ecu reprogrammed and youll be able to hit the higher revs with nos...but you better get some better internals on that damn vic or its gonna blow a rod....hehehe not fun to deal w/
go fast or go home...lol
go fast or go home...lol
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Rep Power: 0 So far I've heard a lot of:
"My car went xxx fast...."
"There is a speed limiter..."
"There isn't a speed limiter..."
However, nobody has been able to describe HOW the speed limiter works or at what speed it works. On 5.0 Mustangs, for instance, there is no speed limiter, but there is a rev limiter that kicks in at 6250rpms and cuts fuel to every other cylinder to keep the motor from overrevving.
I'm inclined to continue to believe that the only "speed limiters" on our Civics are the laws of physics. I'm sure there is a rev limiter to protect the engine, but there is no speed limiter. This is evidenced by all the different top speeds reported by members here. If there was a limiter, everyone would have the same top speed.
"My car went xxx fast...."
"There is a speed limiter..."
"There isn't a speed limiter..."
However, nobody has been able to describe HOW the speed limiter works or at what speed it works. On 5.0 Mustangs, for instance, there is no speed limiter, but there is a rev limiter that kicks in at 6250rpms and cuts fuel to every other cylinder to keep the motor from overrevving.
I'm inclined to continue to believe that the only "speed limiters" on our Civics are the laws of physics. I'm sure there is a rev limiter to protect the engine, but there is no speed limiter. This is evidenced by all the different top speeds reported by members here. If there was a limiter, everyone would have the same top speed.
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Rep Power: 0 man i remember seein this thing when i first joined. haha hey guys face it our cars are SSSSLLLOOOOWWWW!!!!if you want somethin that'll go 160 get a 03 cobra or somethin else that'll do it cause our civic will NEVER go that fast...well maybe with an incredibly built motor kinda like the civic featured in honda tuning that went 220 in the salt flats of nevada, and
that issue came out probably a year ago.
that issue came out probably a year ago.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by SoFlaCivic
So far I've heard a lot of:
"My car went xxx fast...."
"There is a speed limiter..."
"There isn't a speed limiter..."
However, nobody has been able to describe HOW the speed limiter works or at what speed it works. On 5.0 Mustangs, for instance, there is no speed limiter, but there is a rev limiter that kicks in at 6250rpms and cuts fuel to every other cylinder to keep the motor from overrevving.
I'm inclined to continue to believe that the only "speed limiters" on our Civics are the laws of physics. I'm sure there is a rev limiter to protect the engine, but there is no speed limiter. This is evidenced by all the different top speeds reported by members here. If there was a limiter, everyone would have the same top speed.
So far I've heard a lot of:
"My car went xxx fast...."
"There is a speed limiter..."
"There isn't a speed limiter..."
However, nobody has been able to describe HOW the speed limiter works or at what speed it works. On 5.0 Mustangs, for instance, there is no speed limiter, but there is a rev limiter that kicks in at 6250rpms and cuts fuel to every other cylinder to keep the motor from overrevving.
I'm inclined to continue to believe that the only "speed limiters" on our Civics are the laws of physics. I'm sure there is a rev limiter to protect the engine, but there is no speed limiter. This is evidenced by all the different top speeds reported by members here. If there was a limiter, everyone would have the same top speed.
I will try to make this short and easy:
To answer the question HOW DOES THE SPEED LIMITER WORKS, it is somehow pretty simple since the ECU is only calculating your speed according to the revolution of the drive shaft. Once the maximum rev/min is reached, the ECU cuts off the fuel injectors until speed is down...
Some people are saying that they reached X speed with their LX or EX, it is actually pretty easy to tell who is saying plain BS and who is not and like some of us already posted here before, it does have to do with LAWS OF PHYSICS...
I could put here the whole formula concerning the drag coefficient (Cd) related to HP and all the other variable factors (altitude factor, pressure, temp...) but simply put, the fact is that for a :
Honda civic with a Cd of ~0.30 and a corrected frontal area of 20.05 ft2, it takes between 120 to 135 HP to the wheels to get to 125MPH and 150HP to reach 130MPH, this without taking into consideration tire effects and rolling resistances.
This is physical law so this applies to all of us without exception...
Here is a tiny bit of the formula used to determinate "resistance"
FT = FD + Medv/dt + Mg sin(alpha)
where:
FT = Tractive or motive force
FD = Sum of all resistive forces
Medv/dt = Sum of all inertial forces
Mg sin(alpha) = Gravitational force
So, SoFlaCivic, my point is you are right and hope I answered your question
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and um ramboa...............what the hell are u talking about??? talk english bro....
and um ramboa...............what the hell are u talking about??? talk english bro....
Well, all I was saying is: for those who said they went passed 120MPH particulary with the LX, they' d better get their speedo checked because that is impossible. (laws of physics)
A honda civic needs more than 120 HP to the wheels( I repeat TO THE WEELS) to get to 125MPH...unless they were driving on a 20% grade downhill and taking advantage of the '' vacuum'' behind a nascar chevy
To get rid of the governor, you need to reprogram your ECU bro....
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by ramboa
I will try to make this short and easy:
To answer the question HOW DOES THE SPEED LIMITER WORKS, it is somehow pretty simple since the ECU is only calculating your speed according to the revolution of the drive shaft. Once the maximum rev/min is reached, the ECU cuts off the fuel injectors until speed is down...
So, SoFlaCivic, my point is you are right and hope I answered your question
I will try to make this short and easy:
To answer the question HOW DOES THE SPEED LIMITER WORKS, it is somehow pretty simple since the ECU is only calculating your speed according to the revolution of the drive shaft. Once the maximum rev/min is reached, the ECU cuts off the fuel injectors until speed is down...
So, SoFlaCivic, my point is you are right and hope I answered your question
Civics don't have driveshafts.
You can reach the maximum rev/min in any gear by calculating this way. I'm sure the rev limiter works this way, calculating the # of crankshaft rotations, and then cutting fuel, but that is the rev limiter, not speed limiter.
So, you sort of answered the question, but you threw a little unexpected loop in there...
I think we agree that THERE IS NO TOP SPEED LIMITER on the Civic.
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Rep Power: 0 [QUOTE]Originally posted by SoFlaCivic
[B]Civics don't have driveshafts. You can reach the maximum rev/min in any gear by calculating this way.
May be you are used to the term CV shafts which is nothing else than the driveshafts.
If you still have doubts, just follow the 2 linky below
http://www.tciauto.com/sport_compact.htm
http://www.hondapartstore.com/Honda_Civic_10.html
No problem bro and HAPPY NEW YEAR
[B]Civics don't have driveshafts.
You can reach the maximum rev/min in any gear by calculating this way. May be you are used to the term CV shafts which is nothing else than the driveshafts.
If you still have doubts, just follow the 2 linky below
http://www.tciauto.com/sport_compact.htm
http://www.hondapartstore.com/Honda_Civic_10.html
No problem bro and HAPPY NEW YEAR
