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i wonder if the water is drinkable..lol. if it doesn't give you hp then it can give you water on those camping trips...lol.

 
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If you took a high school chemistry class you would know the amount of HHO produced is going to negligible when applied to a 1.7L engine going at 2500 rpm. This thing isn't going to do ****.

 
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I'll email some professors to figure this out.

 
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Ok to achieve a higher level of Hydrogen and Oxygen. The generator uses a element like sodium and potassium, which are well known for their violent reactions with water, tearing hydrogen from its stable union with oxygen. You just add these in like a scope of protein powder into milk.

 
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let him try it. he hasnt listened to a single person on here.

 
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All I have to say is that I have science behind me...everything single principal that he uses in this generator is scientifically proven. Its basic chemistry for god sake, I can't believe you don't believe in electrolysis. I just seriously don't see where there is a flaw in this entire idea that would make you discredit it so much.

The only reason why I would believe you discredit the generator is 1. because I found it online 2. you don't understand a single thing thats going on in it

I mean I've given you so many vids, so many articles talking about how it works, articles with ppl testifying to how it works. Unless you haven't read them...then I don't understand how you can just discredit it. Clearly by the wealth of knowledge I have just linked on this thread goes to show how far I've gone in trying to figure out exactly how it works, and how creditable it is.

Check out this thread, some guy is already trying it out.
http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments...ID=7413&page=5

And there are ppl who don't believe and ppl who do, but they all agree the science behind it is solid and the idea is more than plausable.

 
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Why even run on gas at all? Just replace your fuel tank with one of these guys.

 
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They have...and theres a video of it working. The only problem is, as I've stated so many time before in this thread. Is that water will a by product of all of this, therefore by completely running off the generator you will rust your engine too quickly. If you read his website, he does explain a lot of things.

 
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Yeah, gas definitely doesn't have that problem.

 
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im not saying the process doesnt work. ive already said it would work. just not enough to make a difference. holy **** you dont know how to ****ing read. i said i saw it done and IT DID NOT WORK. it doesnt produce enough gases to work. you might get a 0.00000000001% increase in mpg. if thats worth it to you then go for it. and just because people are testifying in some video doesnt mean **** to me. people were all over tv talkin about how great the tornado is. youll say anything is great if i pay you enough. heres a thousand bucks. now i want you to say on tv that takin a big **** in your gas tank will increase your mpg. remember that zmax **** from way back. supposed to increase mpg and give you more hp. didnt work. and now its gone away. fall into this bullshit. go ahead. ill be on the sidelines laughin my ****in *** off countin the money i didnt waste on that pile of ****.

 
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I think you should try it, if its complete bull **** then youll learn from this, if it isnt, then we will. Most people are skeptical to things like this because almost all of them are scams, no one is going to give you any slack until there are results.

 
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Rofl telling me I can't read...Ok ok I missed that part, but u missed the part about how sodium or postassium are soo reactive with water its like a catalyst for the reaction creating more hydrogen and oxygen it normally would.

From wikipedia.org
Potassium is a soft silvery-white metallic alkali metal that occurs naturally bound to other elements in seawater and many minerals. It oxidizes rapidly in air and is very reactive, especially towards water.
The reaction is notably more violent than that of lithium or sodium with water, and is sufficiently exothermic that the evolved hydrogen gas ignites.
2K(s) + 2H2O(l) → H2(g) + 2KOH(aq)
Potassium fires are exacerbated by water, and only a few dry chemicals are effective for them. For a fire discussion which applies to alkali metals in general, see the precaution section for sodium.

**Note the part about fire, the reason why you don't wanna put it out with water is because the potassium will react with it forming Hydrogen which will fuel the fire more.

 
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Sorry but I have to post this

Again From Wikipedia.org
Hydrogen as an energy carrier

Main article: Hydrogen economy

Having been used as an ingredient in some rocket fuels for several decades, hydrogen, or more specifically H2, is now widely discussed in the context of energy. Hydrogen is not an energy source, since it is not an abundant natural resource and more energy is used to produce it than can be ultimately extracted from it. However, it could become useful as a carrier of energy, as elucidated in the United States Department of Energy's 2003 report, "Among the various alternative energy strategies, building an energy infrastructure that uses hydrogen — the third most abundant element on the earth's surface — as the primary carrier that connects a host of energy sources to diverse end uses may enable a secure and clean energy future for the Nation."[32] The hydrogen would then locally be converted into usable energy either via combustion of fossil fuels or by electrochemical conversion into electricity in a fuel cell.

One theoretical advantage of using H2 as a carrier is the localization and concentration of environmentally unwelcome aspects of hydrogen manufacture. For example, CO2 sequestration could be conducted at the point of H2 production from methane. Hydrogen could also be produced using the electrolysis of water method; however, this is currently three to six times as expensive as production from natural gas. High-temperature electrolysis, which promises greater efficiency, is being investigated. Currently, however hydrogen production is expensive relative to other energy storage chemicals, and the bulk of hydrogen is now produced by the least expensive method, which (as noted) employs methane and which, as currently practiced, creates greenhouse gas emissions. [33]

Also you might wanna read up on (High Temp Electrolysis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-te...e_electrolysis
This article goes into a little detail about running a high temp elecytrolysis reaction from a heat engine.
Heres an bit of the article you might find interesting.
During electrolysis, the amount of electrical energy that must be added equals the change in Gibbs free energy of the reaction plus the losses in the system. The losses can (theoretically) be arbitrarily close to zero, so the maximum thermodynamic efficiency of any electrochemical process equals 100%. In practice, the efficiency is given by electrical work achieved divided by the Gibbs free energy change of the reaction.

In most cases, such as room temperature water electrolysis, the electric input is larger than the enthalpy change of the reaction, so some energy is released as waste heat. In some other cases however, for instance in the electrolysis of steam into hydrogen and oxygen at high temperature, the opposite is true. Heat is absorbed from the surroundings, and the heating value of the produced hydrogen is higher than the electric input. In this case the efficiency relative to electric energy input can be said to be greater than 100%. The maximum theoretical efficiency of a fuel cell is the inverse of that of electrolysis. It is thus impossible to create a perpetual motion machine by combining the two processes.

 
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ok. you go running around town with all these ****ing chemicals and gases in your car. this is a ****ing bomb on wheels. all this bs for a another 1 or 2 mpg. it will take this thing a year to pay for itself if it even remotely works. i cant wait til you get hit in a traffic accident and blow up every car around you and people sue your family into the ground. youre gonna be driving a honda hindenburg

 
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Rofl...Its not like I'm storing the hydrogen, I'm creating it on demand using electricity from the alternator. If i get in an accident and my engine turns off..woah wait what explosion what? oh snap I forgot electrolysis requires electricity. What chemicals? Rofl as explained by the smart mans website, you only need roughly "1 flake of postassium to make 5-8 amps".

Its not like I'll be driving around with potassium in my car all day, 1 flake isn't bad. Not to mention the chemical formula I stated above you see the potassium bonding to OH. I think when you produce the H and OH the KOH will rebond with H to form H2O and the K (potassium) will be free to again help release H and O. On snap what is this you say? I don't need to contiunouly add potassium to make this work? WOAH...wow crazy chemistry!!

Additionally..as stated above I don't have to use something as voilent as potassium. I can use sodium, this means I can crazy a whole freaking buttload of sodium bicarbonate...aka baking soda.

Clearly you wish I would die from science!
**** I hope I don't freaking blow myself up!

 
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Hey Boogie, I just bought one of his Newest systems for $500 (supposedly a lot better than his older "Super Gen" model... And I'm gonna have it installed this next week... (I was gonna do it myself but Im gonna watch one of the guys who does it for a living do it so I can learn some stuff...) I'll let you know how it works!!!

-NW

 
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Sorry, *Boggie* lol... I like how concisely you state your arguments but Unfortunately Logic doesn't always work... But lucky for us Logical Ones, Proof Does! I'm installing it on my 2000 honda civic with a D16y7 Motor, I get 35 MPG average, its a auto ;( So I'll let you know the results shortly...

-NW

 
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wow, revive frm the dead...one thing tho, would the ecu ( sense this is used on a constant basis) go a little nuts? i'll break it down so it dumbed up...ecu releaizes a good air\fuel ratio (this much gas+this much air=best possible explosion inside the cylinder). Now, saying this des actually work, now the ecu has to deal with the air\oxygen\hydrogen\gas ratio, but wait! our ecu's aren't Neural-net processors! they have no idea what these other 2 elements are, and more importantly, it doesn't know how they burn. So, even through some miracle of god, if it was able to figure out what the hell hydrogen gas is ( which i think MIGHT be a bit mre flammable than gas) and then throws it into a cylinder with 2 other flammable gases ( only one of which the engine is designed to have in it) then it ignites...then i reall dont know what would happen, i think it'd eithe die (equlivilent of flooding it) or have a much larger possibly dangerous explosion. Now lets say that you are like that blonde guy from final destination 2 and you just have that kind of luck, you win the lottery, then the next day you survive a 200 car pile up ( about the same odds), and your car STILL decides to stay in one peace and more importantly run. I hope you have high heat instensity prozac cuz now your o2 sensors and your cat is going to go nuts now. Mainly because though this explosion, there'd still be some none burned material ( whether its the gas, hydrogen, blah blah blah), you're 02 sensor will try and adjust the air fuel yet again and most likely kill the car or make it run like crap, because again, it adjusts the air fuel based on how it knows gas burns, it doesnt have the slightest clue how hydrogen and oxygen burn.

 
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K-PRO! lol

 
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Your saying that if you add 1 flake of K, you can continuously run your generator thing forever? WOW! you just solved the energy crisis!!

The H2 gas produced is so stable its not going to react again. Its going to take even more energy to tear the gas apart, as covalent bonds are very strong. And so any energy gained from the first reaction is going to completely be consumed and then some, (it will take even more energy to tear apart both the H2 and the KOH, then the energy produced from the first reaction) so this = a negative gain in energy.


And i really am skeptical about this too, im confident there ARE gains, but i wouldnt be able to justify spending 250$ or 500$ whatever the cost is, it just wouldnt pay itself off fast enough.

 
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Actually, among other things, the ECU Controls your Fuel/Air Mixture (eg. lean or rich), timing, Fuel Injector Pulse, and Can adjust them at will for optimum performance... so if HHO (explosive, not really all that flamable, just explosive) is injected into the throttle body along with air and gasoline (when ignited) the compression is going to be higher so the ecu will lower the amount of gas injected (leaner mix) until it is running mostly on HHO (cars are not run off the efficiency of Gasoline, or Diesel, they are run off the explosive properties of the fuels...) Gasoline: we burn 17% in our cars and the rest of the potential energy goes to waste... eg. pollution, vibration, heat, etc... While HHO Gas is almost 100% efficient (it is made from water, and whats left turns back into water, Ya, ya I know sounds like a total scam... But, It Works!

Check it out: http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/how-it-works.html

 
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k, but what i'm saying is hydrogen gas and oxygen, does now have the same explosive properties as gasoline, example, if the ecu tries to compensate, it thinks it is dealing with gas and air, hydrogen gas being MORE flammable than gas this could be really really bad, if you get to much air to feed that hydrogen explosion when the ecu think hydrogen=gasoline (so it puts more air in the mix) that means a bigger explosion. BUt whatever try it, and see, just make sure you have a lot of sun block on.

 
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If you read the "how it works" page, this guy lacks a knowledge of basic chemistry. "HHO?" "Water dissociating into H2 and O?"

I mean, sure, say he's doing it for simplicity's sake, but faithful in little...

 
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Ya I know... the guy who wrote that page isn't all that smart, but the guy who builds the things is... And yes I'm gonna try it and I'll let ya know how it works in a new thread in a few days... =D

 
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Another great quote from this site: "Here is a little tid bit of knowledge for you... This technology has been around since the middle 1800's."

Forget all this HHO stuff. Bring back the steam engine!

 
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instead of relying on what some guy that doesnt know what the chemical properties are for water how about you look into the dangers and such, read around, get a second opinion if it were. look up how explosive hydrogen gas is, then imagine a backfire, threw the exhaust or through the throttle body.

 
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....theres a sucker born every minute....Listen, if I throw pure sodium into water it will react. That doesn't mean I will retro a device that does that into my engine. If things like this ACTUALLY worked we would not have so many scientists trying to figure out hydrogen fuel cell technology.

I know that is a leap from this..."device", but please don't be neive. Notice how the original poster never touched this thread again. Why is it that you think? Foot in mouth syndrome.

 
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Well, I have gotten a secon opinion and a third and a fourth etc... the technology works... I have seen it first hand... only reason I am doing it... lol I'm not some 20 y/o noob, I researched ebay for 6 months before getting into it 5 years ago... and I've been living off the money I make on it since then... I take my time... do the research, then I dip my toes in the water to see if it works then I dive in... I am currently in the "dive in" stage... I have been researching the energy market for 2 years now (mostly stocks) but I have also been researching this tech for about 6 months... as I said I'll let you guys know how it turns out... e.g. If my car blows up, if it doesnt work, if it brarely does anything, or if it works good...

 
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we're just trying to save you money time and possible damage to your car. but obviously there's no talking you out of ill-advised decision.

If you have gotten all these kinds of opinions why do you quote\refer to the guy that lacks even grade school chemistry knowledge?

 
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That pretty much sums it up.