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Well I am just confused on why people mod LX civics....even EX civics unless they are going to do a swap. I am guessing not to many of you have raced modded WS6s , SS, Cobras and the like and beat them it is way better than racing a Stock one that runs low 13s and when you beat it they tell you that they are stock and you probably spent 5+gs to beat a stock car...


Anyway go ahead and mod your lx motor not my money your wasting just thought I would give you some advice and try and save you some money in the long run. I am still wondering how much hp/tq you get with this ex exhaust compared to stock or compared to a custom set up.

 
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bitchy people I swear

Get a ex header
Get the ex o2 sensors or extend the one you have either way it will work
customize the exhaust or buy an ex exhaust

If you customize your exhaust be sure to get a ODB II Cat
Or
here is a nice high flow cat by random techologies

 
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See that's just it man, I spent 5g's to keep up with a stock SS, Cobra, or WS6. Meaning I spent 19k when those cars cost 25-35k. Where's the sense if you telling me I am saving money?

 
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^if you are from california any modification, thus moving or replacing the cat is ilegal.... Just thought I might add that. So if you own an LX or DX in california the only thing you can do by law is buy a k20 engine swap and reregister your vech.
its alot of work, my personal advice get an SF turbo and put it on without a cat. Smog comes remove the turbo but leave all the piping.. Than just place back your stock suck@ss cat header thing.

 
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Agreed
There are different classes of cars
This is the class that we are in.
If I could offord a 25k to 40k car I would get something way better.
If you are going to bash and be an *** just leave or don't post.
Don't be an *** and **** people off.

 
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In regards to cali state law for emission you can replace the exhaust cat if it is damaged or it has at least 50k miles on it.

also why put a turbo on if it is not carb legal.
(unless you have a freind with a hook on the downlow)
SF I think is trying to get a carb leagel number for there kit though.

 
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Or u can just move to Florida and laugh at the people in Cali! LoL j/p

 
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If you would see I said 5+ Grand. Becuase there is no way a Stock LX or even EX with a Turbo running 7psi is going to run low 13s. Now you take the WS6 for example you can get one of those for less than 25gs maybe not much less but it can be done then you go and drop a 150shot wet kit on it. <don't think you cant do this have many of friends with this mod. If the civic is running 13s for 5gs that impressive but I doubt that would happen. And don't think I am a muscle car freak I drive a honda too. I don't do sensless mods though.

Anyway as I said before do what you want all I want to know is what kind of numbers is this ex exhaust going to make?

 
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true that

I don't think there is emissions laws there.

 
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bottom line people work with what they have.

It is their money, why bitch about what the want to do?

 
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ya no emmisions. it's great. I'm killing the enviroment! bah. It's the price I pay for performance. LoL.

 
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well seeing as i got a used civic for 11k, lets say i do spend the 15k on it to get me up to the 25k that i would spend on a "fast" stock car.... ill let you guess who would win that race.

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and im talking w/o doing a swap, just build th SOHC d17 that comes with it, then sticking a turbo on there, run like 20lbs+ of boost.

 
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got my civic brand new for 13k. Im going to k20swap it for lets say 5k.. doing the swap myself!
than i could get a nice 5-4 psi turbo for 3k means without doing internal mods.
as for you automatic junkies just get the regular k20a3 put that on an RSX tranny and get a cooler boosting it to about 7 psi. The tranny can handle it.
I am not sure though about transmissions are they the same for auto rsx and the civic?

 
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I'm through with this thread, but I think I got my point across, just don't bash anyone who wants to build their vic on this site.

 
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HEY JUST WANT TO SAY YOU CAN STRIP THE TAPE COVERING THE SENSORS ALL THE WAY BACK AND PULL THE WIRES NEEDED TO STRETCH THE O2 SENSOR...(I DID THIS AND IT WORKS FLAWLESSLY I ALSO BOUGHT A NEW LOWER SWAY BAR FROM P.TUNING.COM
THE PROGRESS TECHNOLOGY FRONT LOWER SWAY BAR IS ABOUT
150 BUCKS BUT WELL WORTH IT. WILL ALLOW THE REPLACEMENT OF THE NEW CAT TO SIT HIGHER UP IN THE CHASSIS. NO PROBLEMS IN MY CIVIC. ALSO GOT THE WET NITROUS SETUP IN MY LX... DONT LET HATERS HATE. THEY ARE JUST JEALOUS. DRAMATICALLY LOWERED MY ET. BY ABOUT 2 SECONDS IN THE 1/4 MILE. THIS IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS GETTING A TURBO.

 
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Merciless - Forum trolls are bad. Ignorant forum trolls are even worse.

D16A swap?? First off, V-tec is not the best thing to happen to automotive engineering, it's mostly a gimmick to compel people to stick v-tech stickers on their cars (effects of v-tec on a 110 HP are minimal). Especially for D series engines, V-tec makes no difference. The main diff between the EX and LX is the exhaust manifold for the LX, which is combined with the cat giving a lot more restricted airflow.

Second, turbos cost 3 grand, significantly less than 8-12k for a K20 swap.

Third, putting more than 250 HP makes a car pretty hard to drive, because of the extensive torque-steer - especially without an LSD. So the argument of "K20's better cus' it can make more power" is ridiculous. A turbo upgrade's more than enough.

Fourth - Let's clarify something - racing does not equal quarter mile time. I dunno where you get your idea of "racing" from, but my idea of racing involves twists and turns, something which Civics do pretty admirably without having to spend too much. Perhaps you can watch Nascar, WRC, LeMans, CART racing, and see that cars have steering wheels for a reasons other than keeping the car straight.

You didn't specify, but I'd imagine your "race" was at a stoplight, having you slam the breaks every 500 meters, or a highway, where you both get cheap thrills racing on an imaginary track with no finish line. Or at best a quarter-mile track, which proves you can drop the shift good and keep the car straight. Wow.

I don't normally respond to trolls, but people coming into forums blabbering about stuff they don't understand, and talking trash about somebody who spent a lot hard-earned cash to make the modification is ridiculous.

-Aki

 
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Bwhahahaha your funny man. If I typed D16A I probably ment B16A. Anyway You guys can do what you want but LX motors and EX motors are not worth modding. You can't polish a turd man.

As for to much power...yeah for certian applications yes having too much power is bad.

All I was trying to do was save this guy some face, as I said before people like this that mod these worthless motors give the rest of import tuners a bad name...its called RICERS.

The whole thing is you can put 15 grand into your little LX motor but why?

 
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ok then, im afraid im going to have to put a stop to this sh*t. a thread that i started to get a few issues im having with the lx to ex exhaust conversion resolved has turn into a a monkey's playground with one side babbling about how hondas suck and the other babbling about how they own everyone. well sorta, one side saying hondas suck other side saying they in a class apart from the "super cars". guess what, i dont give 2 beans! so why doesnt everyone just have a and answer some of my questions?

ok then, im wondering if what i did with my o2 sensor was a good idea. i took the one thats goes after the cat and spliced it to the connector that goes before the cat since the one that goes b4 the cat wasnt reaching the hole. i didnt solder (which i prolly shoulda done) but i just twisted the wires together and wrapped em with electrical tape (talk about rednecking). now, any comments about this? also, where can i actually get some o2 sensors that go before and after the cat. that are long enough to reach from the lx connectors to the ex mounting points on the exhaust?

 
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merciless, seeing as our cars are "economy cars" and you seem to support the "race cars", imagine seeing the look on the face of a "race car" driver when he gets completely blown away by a guy in a civic ("economy car") that spent the same amount of $$ of his car as the guy in the "race car". thats why we do it.

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oh and you might not be able to polish a turd, but u sure as h*ll can chrome it. (take this statement as you will, i dont even know what it means)

 
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you sir are a moron..... Boosting our vechs is incredibly amazing. 13 secs is very very fast for a road car.
Civics have always been the best out of the cheap car class to mod, becuase they are cheap to mod and respond well to mods.
13 sec with a boost? come on thats faster than the last gerneration civics that are boosted. Hell thats faster than an RSX with an air intake, headers and an exhuast. RSX respond well to mods? your shitting me notice I said 4 psi turbo! Your an idiot if you think you can easily get a 2.0 liter K20 past 13 secs easily. The cars comperation is too high.
Sure I would like a k20 but seriously its highly overrated.
Point of the story is that our cars can be made fast, unique and cool. Our cars are amazing for autocross with thier short wheelbase..boosted or even swapped they could be even more amazing.
Up until Mike worked with stafford I would agree with you, but now that we can boost for 3120 bucks out the door nothing else needed < thats the whole kit. **** we are running 13's WRX cant run 13's! Rx8 cant run 13's! not even the focas RS a stock turbo euro vech can't run 13's!
13's arent fast?
WE own a corvette stock it ran 13.1!!! and thats 53 grand!
it now runs 12.53 last time in the quarter but d@mn you have any clue how expensive it is to mod those cars?
headers are 900 bucks! air intake is 250! exhuast is another 1000 bucks ecu! To get a supercharger and get the same performance gains you can get with a turbo, ohh... you got to have bank!
Point is Honda civic=cheap car=challenge to mod=can do 13's!=for less than most other cars. I am sick of loosers like you coming onto the site saying its not worth it. Truth is your the dork that doesnt no jack **** about cars that makes us into ricers!
Ricers= anyone talks about cars and doesnt no jack **** what they are talking about! Well I guess that is u? If you have a civic I bet you are saying this becuase you thought rims and a body kit would make you fast.. congrats! No go tell the WRX site that there cars are ugly and they shouldnt mod, watch them kick your @sss.

 
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^sorry I hate idiots....

 
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lease: You my friend are pretty funny. I guess I am just used to seeing civics down here that can run 13s all day long. All I know is if you think I don't know anything about cars you are very mistaken. Once again you didn't read my post...I didnt say you couldn't make your car fast but that it takes alot to make it fast. Your telling me just a sf turbo kit makes a LX civic run low 13s? Your telling me you can drop 5 seconds of your time with just a turbo kit? Maybe I am reading that wrong but that is kinda hard to believe. How long will it be before this motor starts to not like this boost also...becuase if you can't run 13s on 4 or 7 or what evere then when you up the boost wont you have to start doing major mods???


Please prove me wrong with some dyno slips or cheap LXs running CONSISTENT 13s with a full interior not stripped down. You must not know I drive a civic also so dont think I hate hondas in general I just hate it when people mod these LX and EX motors. Once again YES you can make them pretty fast but I want to know how much it will take to run low 13s<not considered fast here in AZ try low 12s to low 11s even 10s. If you can show me that then yeah I will be impressed. Also running those times I would like to know how drivable the car is in everyday conditions.

 
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^check catalyst posts. i hate to break the news to ya but they are running mid 13.s
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...t&pagenumber=2

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...t&pagenumber=1
Im nice enought to search a little for the noob.
go to search to look up miles of thread on this

 
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I believe the member catalyst runs 13's.

Just checked he does
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/me...o&userid=10817

time slip link:
http://www.7thgencivic.com/memberrid...riteen_six.JPG

Also it is a daily driver with all the interior and a system
http://www.7thgencivic.com/memberrid...1&ppuser=10817

also i'm about to give you a jacked title under your user name.

 
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Mid 13s with just this SF kit? How much hp is it dropping to the ground then damn! what do those LXs weigh like 2500-2600lbs? wouldnt you need like more than 230bhp? Just trying to get this in my mind here...Eclipse GS-T rated at 210hp runs a 15 to 14.8 but I dont know how much that weighs. So your civic would need what for hp to run those times? That sf kit on 7psi or what ever gives you that much of a power increase? If so then god damn not bad! Guess I am just used to seeing GReddy kits and the like giving you like a 60-70hp boost.

 
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^hahahaha he just got OWNED!!!!
I believe the autos with a HP Pulley can run 14s
just like to add that!
Also like to note that LACR do to its elvation is one of the slowest tracks in the country

 
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Ok looks like on 5.5PSI he only put 190hp down. But his list hp is 265 so what else did he do to get that sounds like at 11lbs he had to get a new clutch that one was slipping alittle to much. So a stock SF trubo kit would run generally around 190hp? That would not yield mid 13s in the 1/4.

 
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fawking private message his *** and find out

 
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On a EX just a pulley is going to make it run 14s....BOY would I like to see that also. lease:

 
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See this is what is so funny about sites like this you say something that makes some people get all butt hurt (mind you this is the reason people start saying **** in the first place) then you go and start threating me what you gonna do next ban me. lease: