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Ok so from reading the posts, with TYC's people are saying not to get an HID conversion kit

a) because of fitment issues - need to drill out the mount to get the bulb in
b) TYC have a cheap lense that causes a lot of glare

Ok a) is do-able if you have any type of motor skills and a drill, so lets ignore that one.

b) is my concern, what glare are you guys talking about ... and also are you guys over-reacting. Like for instance, I know many people on the site that say lowering their car causes them to have horrible creaking and popping - and it's just not worth it.

But my cars lowered and my drop doesn't pop or creak at all.

So I'm wondering if this glare thing is just a "hypocondriac" reaction to HID conversion kits. I mean, is it really something horrible - that makes your car undrivable OR is it simply just a personal preference blown up to massive proportions?

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I mean really what I am concerned about is getting more light than my stock halogens. HID's I know are going to be a hell of a lot brighter - even with a conversion kit and TYC's instead of a full out retrofit.

So is this glare really for the people looking at the car ? Or is this glare really going to effect my visibility at night ?

Also, for dark spot in front of my car - I have a set of OEM fog lights to put on this spring too, so that dark spot shouldn't be a factor.

Anyone with comments ?

 
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Glare will be both those reasons basically.. Oncoming traffic may be blinded - police might not appreciate that as well. With this glare, you will have some reduce output of the lighting so it wouldn't be as effective as a properly done retrofit.

Don't know what dark spot you'd have really - and if it is in that spot it'll probably be too late to see with fogs anyways. Though fogs are a good light to run during the day as you need to have daytime lights - damn Canadian laws Or at least I run the fogs anyways - instead of wasting the HID bulb, especially on shorter trips were it wouldn't heat up properly.

 
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Karumba .. the TYC, I believe the daytime running light is religated to the highbeam - check out Si2NV (andrew's).

From what I've heard running a daytime running light off the HID will mess it up (the ballast or something).

 
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i really wish those pictures were still being hosted. a member put them in and did some wall shots + some shots down his back alley...compared to an HID kit in oem, the glare was actually worse and there was a dark spot in his actual output. i'm pretty sure they weren't TYC's but instead those sonar projectors that come with the halo's.

those of us that are telling you to get a retrofit instead of a kit, are just trying to help you guys out (and keep us seeing safely at night ). and i'm in no way saying a retrofit is the correct way to do it.

 
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basically there is light all over the place. i see dumb ricers all the time here and the glare is so bad it looks like the far lights are on even tho its really low beam. I have to turn away not to get blinded. oh and the more glare you have the less light on the road. some idiot here has 10000k blue in his ebay projector and there is about as much light on the ground as a small flashlight. When i had my catz quality kit in oem housing, there was barely any glare so it depends on the kit. i would never put hid into a halogen projector tho.

 
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Yes, the daytime are running off the high beam location in the TYCs, however the two H1 bulbs wiring still plug in together into the H4 connector of the OEM wiring harness.

Good luck trying to sort out the wiring issue with getting the daytimes to work - halogens, and runnings HIDs too. I know I wouldn't exactly want the headache

 
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i wonder if its possible to put DRL into a usa civic?

 
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Well you just gotta think if your ever going to do a retrofit in the future. Its better just to save a little more for hid projectors then to have to buy a new set of bulbs or ballasts later on when you want to do your retrofit. Because i think the tyc are h1's and hid projectors only take d2s bulbs. It also more difficult to replace plug and play bulbs as well.

Compared too all the work that people with reflector headlights have to do. People with tyc or projector headlights have it easy. All you do is take out the tyc projector and put in the hid projector. Not much drilling or cutting. You can get hid projectors for as cheap as $100 now.

But if you just want brighter headlights then the hids will work. But if you want the bmw flicker, be able to light up four lanes of highway then i would do the retrofit.

 
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xriceboyx's headlights:









these are TYC headlights with H1 HID kit. it's not bad, but definitely nowhere near a retrofit. the glare in the center of the beam is almost non existant, but the cutoff sort of flares upwards on the edges of the beam. this will cause problems for oncoming traffic and people diagonally in front of you.

also take note of the light pattern that TYC projectors produce when paired with a HID kit. it's pretty ugly if you ask me.

 
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I guess to me, I understand what your saying about the spread. I just think I'm not really that picky about the spread or the line. I mean yeah I dont want to blind people off the road, but frankly I dont care much.

I wouldn't say it is ricey either, and people throw that word around way too much. No offence gearbox, but having an automatic and suping it up - with sidemarkers and a tiny prokit drop - I could say is ricey too.

So really ... I dont see the big deal.

Granted I appreciate those pics above with the beam pattern ... that was truely helpful.

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Karumba true about the Daytimes ... thats why I bought oem fogs - so I could just disable the fuse on the daytimes ... I heard that would work - do you know if it will ?

 
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that pic looks terrible sorry to say. i hope they look better with halogen in em. i say they are ricey cause its a cheap kit slapped in there. hid done properly isn't rice. i'm just tired of getting blinded every night. btw what does having an automatic have to do with modding it? its still the same car with the same components and a different tranny. since we're talking about my car, i lowered it for better performance not to "look cool". and the sidemarkers come stock on the exact same civic in australia.

 
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Yes - it is how I run things.

 
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Sweet .. I'll pm you about which fuse ... I'm just glad it will work. I love the look of the OEM fogs.

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And dude, suping up an automatic for performance ? Isn't that an oxymoron ? I mean in the true sense of performance ... an auto is already handicapped.

I just dont like the over use of "rice" as a negative - say it is bad, say it is not something you prefer ... but saying its ricey is a whole new level of diss.

 
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american muscle cars with gobs of HP paired with....a 3 speed auto.

 
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Suspension has nothing to do with the drivetrain power. And I'm sure if I had my auto trans built and upgraded, it would run faster times than a manual. It shifts a whole lot faster than any person can.

 
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ferrari enzo....

 
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and when you get an civic to shift like an enzo, give me a call.

Till then, manuals are where the real men are ...

 
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toyota supra
nissan 350z
infiniti g35 (same car as 350z...)

 
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its all relative. Manuals are faster to a certain point. When you go high enough in hp the autos are faster. Have seen what kind of tranny the 1000hp surpa guys are using? There using an auto because at that high of hp a manual cant shift as quick as an auto.

I dont even understand whats your point on bashing autos on this thread. There's already a auto vs manual thread on the site.

Whats the point of putting crappy tyc's with hids? Your getting a shorter beam pattern then stock, glare everywhere. That sounds ricey to me.

If your doing it so you can get the bmw blue and white flicker, wide beam pattern and being able to see further at night then do a retrofit.

If you just want brighter headlights, just buy some $20 mtecs and save yourself $300.

 
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well its all a matter of opinion ... dont whip out the "oh its ricey" **** simply because you dont like somehting. You dont like it, thats is great ... but dont diss other people who want it.

Because frankly suping up an automatic civic - which will never get to 1000hp, and claiming your doing it to get greater performance out of it is GAY.

Then saying that he sees dumb ricers all over doing it.

 
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honestly i dont' care what other people do to their car. alot of people wonder why i have such a dumb body kit and no stickers or wing. whatever you want to do, its your car. oh yea read my sig i thought that quote was pretty funny.

 
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get back on topic

 
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You can apply this statement






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Anyways you can do whatever you wish. I'm just trying to save you a little money. For a lot of people who do the tyc with hids, they realize it looks like crap and then spend even more money doing a retrofit. They would save more money if they just did a retrofit in the first place.

Just click on infinitie's sig, its not that difficult to do a retro on tyc's. But in the end its your money, your choice. But i dont understand the point of spending all that money just to get a inferior beam pattern and visability then stock.

 
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Yah sorry guys ... just took it a little personally at first ... no worries, I apoligize - I just wanted to try it out, but felt I was being attacked for being ricey cause of it.

Peace

I would like to learn more about this retro stuff ... but I have no idea where to start ...

getting parts
how to hook it up
etc ...

 
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i installed a 5000 k hid kit in my car last night and the output and beam pattern is pretty good considering its a tyc lens. I am soon gonna be swapping lenses from an audi. I will try and get some pics, but none the less the output from hid and halogen is indescribeable, i mean its almost sickening how much better HID systems are with light output then halogen. Anyways i am now a member of the HID family! Anybody know where i can get an audi lens? besides europe?

 
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i saw a complete kit from an a4 on ebay for around $400.

 
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www.hidplanet.com

 
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^ ya i am familar with them. Has anybody actually anything from there?

Injen

 
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No worries man. In the end your money, your car, your choice.

Here's some basics on hids in general

http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2080

You should check out the site, there's lots of info on there.

Infinites diy retro for tyc's

http://retrofit1.dirtysamurai.com/

i bought both my bulbs, ballasts and projectors from there. If your really worried you can buy the projectors directly from the hidplanet store.

I just bought mine off one of the forum members. Like any internet transaction, check there references and pay through paypal.

If you shop around you can find some good prices.

 
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^ okay, ya i seen where they had th H7 and ds2 for like 220, not real sure if thats a good price, i basically just want the lens not the projector lens housing/holder. Thanks for the help so far